Phil1979:
Some right bellends on this forum. Keyboard warriors galore!!
Look in the mirror first kiddo. They ask you to come in at a time that meets the legal requirements, you refuse, you throw your toys out of the pram and come in here whinging and the thread isn’t quite going the way you had envisioned.
When everyone here tells you that what your employer is doing is perfectly legal and pretty much the industry standard you call all of us bellends.
Not many have your poor attitude. Shape up or ship out.
Don’t let the door hit you in the @rse on the way out.
wheelnutt:
Phil1979:
Some right bellends on this forum. Keyboard warriors galore!!
Look in the mirror first kiddo. They ask you to come in at a time that meets the legal requirements, you refuse, you throw your toys out of the pram and come in here whinging and the thread isn’t quite going the way you had envisioned.
When everyone here tells you that what your employer is doing is perfectly legal and pretty much the industry standard you call all of us bellends.
Not many have your poor attitude. Shape up or ship out.
Don’t let the door hit you in the @rse on the way out.
Theres a difference between answers going the way I wanted and the smart arse comments that the bellends on here have given.
I asked a question because I wasn’t sure. And its inconsistant within my company.
And its no wonder the industry has such standards with the amount of ■■■■■’s who work in it. Taking all sorts of crap from transport offices.
But thanks for the replies. I’m done with this thread now.
Does this place generally offer you decent work you enjoy doing? If so, it seems like a lot of fuss to make over an extra half hour in bed, if they had said 5am would that have been OK because it’s 11 off?
Imo, when you sign up to be a casual driver for a firm you’ve got to accept that your going to be utilised as relief, which generally involves having to be flexible if you want the work. Fulltimers will get priority. They weren’t forcing you to reduce your hours, just the 4.30am start is all thats available if you want the work. You said you don’t want to do it, end of story, surely?
Phil1979:
wheelnutt:
Phil1979:
Some right bellends on this forum. Keyboard warriors galore!!
Look in the mirror first kiddo. They ask you to come in at a time that meets the legal requirements, you refuse, you throw your toys out of the pram and come in here whinging and the thread isn’t quite going the way you had envisioned.
When everyone here tells you that what your employer is doing is perfectly legal and pretty much the industry standard you call all of us bellends.
Not many have your poor attitude. Shape up or ship out.
Don’t let the door hit you in the @rse on the way out.
Theres a difference between answers going the way I wanted and the smart arse comments that the bellends on here have given.
I asked a question because I wasn’t sure. And its inconsistant within my company.
And its no wonder the industry has such standards with the amount of ■■■■■’s who work in it. Taking all sorts of crap from transport offices.
But thanks for the replies. I’m done with this thread now.
Best way ,crack on to bed ,these computer screens keep you awake don’t ya know .
Phil1979:
But if they honour it for other drivers (happened to 2 lads i was in with before I left). They were given 4.30. refused and said they’d be in at 5. So as a company surely they have to be consistant?
Plus I’ve refused this many times over my time there and its never been a problem. Just adjusted to 11 hours from my finish. But this time a planner has threatened me. And then been backed up by Ops who dont want to admit he was wrong as they’d have to deal with it.
But you asked to have the legal position explained, and the legal position is that your employer is asking you do do something which is legal. You are at liberty to refuse to do it, and they are then at liberty to decline to give you any more work, that’s the legal position. It might be time to look for something else.
Punchy Dan:
Phil1979:
wheelnutt:
Phil1979:
Some right bellends on this forum. Keyboard warriors galore!!
Look in the mirror first kiddo. They ask you to come in at a time that meets the legal requirements, you refuse, you throw your toys out of the pram and come in here whinging and the thread isn’t quite going the way you had envisioned.
When everyone here tells you that what your employer is doing is perfectly legal and pretty much the industry standard you call all of us bellends.
Not many have your poor attitude. Shape up or ship out.
Don’t let the door hit you in the @rse on the way out.
Theres a difference between answers going the way I wanted and the smart arse comments that the bellends on here have given.
I asked a question because I wasn’t sure. And its inconsistant within my company.
And its no wonder the industry has such standards with the amount of ■■■■■’s who work in it. Taking all sorts of crap from transport offices.
But thanks for the replies. I’m done with this thread now.
Best way ,crack on to bed ,these computer screens keep you awake don’t ya know .
He can stay up now Dan now it’s no longer a school night 
I love this place
You just know that somewhere on PlannersArentPlobbersNet.com, there is post titled
“Help - can a driver do this??”
It’s quite simple, your company have offered you work at a legal time, you have declined it, the company have then excercised their right not to offer you a different start time, you have then (quite rightly) decided you are in fact too tired and are taking the day off unpaid.
The only thing that is wrong with the above situation is that you think are somehow entitled to something. Congratulations on recognising you are too tired to work, and not being forced into it, but equally don’t be surprised if your company don’t bend over backwards for a casual worker.
As for my own personal view, well done you’ve queered your patch over 30 minutes kip. Genius move 
You went mad over them asking you to come into work 30mins earlier then you wanted?
If it happens rarely stop crying or they will make sure your on 0 hours indefinitely with them.
Punchy Dan:
If your that tired go to bed early your be able to get up no problem ,I get fed up of reading stuff by winging drivers on here ,try being an owner operator then you will realise just what a piece of pi$$ driving for a firm really is .
I agree I’m tired now but I will still get up early and crack on,that’s what the job is not 9 to 5.
Phil1979:
Hi guys, Looking for a bit of help.
I work for a large well known company. I’m on a casual contract (0 hours, by choice). I give in my weeks working pattern the previous week so they have between 5 and 9 days notice of my word and accept it.
Anyway, the problem I have been given today is this;
I have today worked a 12 hour shift finishing at 6pm. Its been 2 days of quite physical work and I’m tired. I’ve asked for a start time for tomorrow and a planner has given me 4.30am. To which I said I wasn’t prepared to reduce my daily rest. He’s then got arsey with me and said “Either come in at 4.30, or dont come in at all”. An operations manager has then joined in the conversation and said that because I am casual, I am required to come in at the time they have work for me or there is nothing I can be given.
I’ve gone mad about this. Surely they can’t threaten me to reduce and get away with it. And does the fact I’m on a 0 hour contract change the law?
I want to take this up with the company and I feel my time working there is coming to an end. So if I could cause some of them some hassle before I go I’d be happy.
I’m looking for a legal answer on this if anyone knows. Don’t really want opinion because it could lead me down the wrong path. Anyone know a bit about this?
Thanks, again.
They gave you a start time which is legal and no pressure.But because your tired you spat your dummy out and came on here for support well sweetheart you refused a job you can do legally now your not happy cause now you have no work.So how about you go back and stop acting like a fanny go to bed and get a good kip instead of watching ■■■■■ on the telly.
quite a few employers have said similar to me,and being a bit of a hot head over the years I just say to them if that’s your attitude you can shove it,bye bye,they get the right hump if a load had to go out
Phil1979:
Some right bellends on this forum. Keyboard warriors galore!!
Keyboard warriors or just people that act in a professional manner and have a job come Monday. You choose which type are. Anyway your mum is probably calling you in for tea!!
Lol. The infamous Stobart planners strike again!!
I agree with the other lads on here though Buttercup, a bad attitude wont get you anywhere.
Phil1979:
I’m done with this thread now.
Heard it.
You asked for legal opinions. Quite what legal responses you expected is a mystery when the start time they gave you was perfectly within the law and you just didnt want it because you were a little bit tired.
I notice you’re not to tired to still be online and chucking your toys you of the pram though.
Start at 6 am finish at 6 pm. That is a normal transport day, albeit with a not particularly early start. So generally one would expect to start again, after an 11hr overnight rest period, at 5am. But they have asked you to come in half an hour early. Now if they weren’t intending to pay you Wednesday’s shift at all, then you might have something to complain about - otherwise not. While the sane work to live rather than live to work, it sounds like work doesn’t fit in with your lifestyle.
Since the rest of it has been so ably covered already, I’ll just mention the comment about how they put two other lads times back. The thing is, unless you know the ins and outs of every job, you can’t know what has happened on those occasions or why this load needs to be on the road at 4.30. I’ve never worked for a big firm so the whole planner thing is a bit of a mystery, but as the person who works out the loads at my place, I don’t think, hmm, let’s get Phil in at 4.30, 5 would do but I’d really like him to get less sleep. No what happens is that somewhere I’ve got a customer that wants x load at x place at x time; they are my boss, so they get what they want.
Tescos started off by asking me (when on a zero hours contract via agency) “If I was prepared to do a 15 hour shift”. I said Yes, but then regretted it when I then got PLANNED for 15 hours, rather than given 12 hours of work with 3 hours of “slippage time”.
In any case, being paid by the hour - it didn’t seem so bad. They attempted to get me to come in three consecutive nights like that (booked with advance notice wowee!) but I refused this, and said I’ll just do the 15 hours on premium shifts like Sunday nights and Bank Holidays thanks. 
They said “This will probably be your last shift here then.” I got called in the very next sunday.
Put your foot down - and play it your own way. If you let them bully you into doing stuff you don’t want to do - then you’ll be expected to do that kind of crap all the time.
Phil1979:
Some right bellends on this forum. Keyboard warriors galore!!
But most likely all with jobs, unlike you princess. As others have said this is probably not the industry for you.
That’s what a forum is all about different opinions. The odd person looking for a barney and a laugh now and again. So read folks opinions on your problem, have a laugh and if someone picks a fight then you pick one back. Don’t go greetin “I’m done with this forum now” you sound like a big women!
I made threads that have went against my thinking but when i read it back I tend to change my views on the subject. You need to have a open mind and accept you’re not always right.
I’ve also had a few barneys on here, water off a ducks back to me.
Thanks folks. Enjoyed this mornings read. That Phil sounds a right fanny. Boo hoo I need my beauty sleep. I wonder if he’s ever had a real job outside driving that involved proper work?