m.a.n rules:
Fact…Fact…
Well, that just proves my point even furthur then - if that’s “fact” how do I get on so well with right-wingers?
JeffA:
Before the rightwingers miss the point completely let me simplify the question:Rightwingers have you ever met a lefty you liked?
So why wasn’t this your opening post?
But no, you had get in there “intense personal hatred” without saying that that could be displayed by either side.
In answer to your question, I’m married to one.
One time me and an extreme right-winger got on was when we’d both delivered to a place and noticed the asian owner was beating his dog - this lovely old rottweiler. He said to me one morning “I’ve got somewhere for that rottweiler”. Me and the right-winger paid a visit to his yard one night and his beautiful old rottweiler was in a country home with a retired couple who loved rottweilers the day after.
<Sorry, posted this in the wrong thread initially>
The modern leftist ideology has clearly replaced religion
Listen to them:
You cannot sell them on an alternative argument
They expect you to give up your beliefs and principals, and come across to their way of thinking.
The simple question I ask lefties I know is “What do you think you’ll get if you vote Labour, and then Labour win a majority at the next election?”
You’ll get all sorts of answers here, but none of them starts with “I think I will get…”
More than likely, I’ll hear something like “Well, we’d be a fairer society”. Would we?
“We need to stop the Tories from dividing us even more!” Were we divided before you decided to vote against the Tories - at age 18?
Let’s try that question on here:
Questions from me to you all, regardless of your politics:
“I’ve never voted Labour in my life. Convince me to vote Labour at the next election - without the menace of Violence.”
“I’ve been manipulated into voting Tory to preserve the Brexit. Now that’s clearly not been done properly, convince me to vote against the Tories at the next election BY voting Labour”.
"You believe the Tories have lied and Lied. So do the Labour politicians.
At very best they go all quiet when asked awkward questions with regards to their intent upon former Tory voters. Convince me that you will not be using me as a “useful idiot” IF you could convince me to help get Labour over the line at the next election."
and finally - the big one:
“What do I get if I vote Labour at the next election?”
The best person in the world to solve all your own problems - is YOU.
If you neglect YOU in the grand equation of Humanity - then who’s to blame if you then get left behind?
“Sorry bud, you voted for us, but we decided to help people in a faraway country, raise your taxes to pay for it, and not increase public spending here to deny making life better for peoples of all nations, creeds, and colours here.”
In a nutshell, it is the FOREIGN POLICY of ALL mainstream parties - that divide us the most of all.
NOTHING to do with “Relgion”.
NOTHING to do with “Nationalism”
NOTHING to do with “Ideology” even.
“Vote for us, and we’ll help someone else far away that is not only ‘Not you’, but no one you know, no one you ever knew, and likely someone who until recently has been making life for us a misery on the international stage on top.”
I want Labour to become a party of “looking after British people IN britain, performing British lines of work, paying British taxes, and benefiting from the British way of life.”
I’m not against immigration - just stop the criminals!
I’m not against the non-religious - just stop persecuting and neglecting mine.
I’m not against Lefties - just stop treating them better than voters for the last election winner get treated!
I’m not against “minority groups” - just stop treating them better than the majority get treated!
I’m not against “Green Living” - just don’t ram it down my throat if I choose NOT to believe it.
If you choose to serve “unpopular minorities” rather than my notion of the “Taxpayer must always be Supreme” - then guess what?
You won’t be thanked BY those whom you help, as they will take it for granted, more often than not.
Help a Taxpayer, and ONLY a taxpayer though? - Everyone strangely then aspires to get a work ethic, get a job, no matter how menial - in exchange for a much-improved standard of living that comes from society itself - now caring rather more for each other, than for some “mythical” far-away needy person you’ll never met, and indeed might not actually exist!
Get off the Auturism Myth - would be my best advice.
If you’re not religious, there’s no need to do this perceived “Do-Gooder” lifestyle all the time, - is there?
If you’re loaded, then I’m sure there’s local issues you could use your vast wealth to help with, rather than send it to some money-laundering outfit who then pretends to spend a small percentage of it digging a well in Africa, fighting a foreign war on the wrong side, or savings the lives of criminals trying to do a criminal thing - far away, out-of-sight, and no one ever askes what those involved in “International Charities” actually get to spend their “Private earnings” on - do they?
Keir Starmer is fast running out of time to convince anyone that he will right this country’s wrongs, let alone me.
NO one in parliament is making “Reduce the foreign aid budget to zero” as a policy.
NO one in parliament is making “NHS free for all, including pre-existing conditions” - a policy.
Right now, if you’re having Oncology treatment - the “help” has already been reduced since the lockdown. If you’re a smoker, obese, got backache, disabled, etc? - You’re treated as a second class citizen, weather or not you have a job.
NO one in parliament is making a big show of “upholding relgious faith” - but are quite happy to push the “Secular Myth” where being a defender of “Faiths” - actually makes you a defender of NO faith.
NO one wants to change this social order where a person with a poor credit rating - is treated worse than a person with a poor criminal record! Why not? Millions of people will have their houses re-possessed over the next year.
Your credit rating means you will NEVER OWN YOUR OWN HOUSE AGAIN!. Cheers then.
A prisoner being released? - All kinds of help with council waiting lists, subsidised rents, sheltered accommodation, and the like…
For the re-possessed? - four-figure per month rents, for the rest of your natual life. Work until you drop. You cannot EVER afford to “Retire” now.
Cheers, then.
You advance according to whom you know - rather than how much money you have, or “What can you do?”
If you want to destroy the Deep State, then first you have to boycott all those who prop it up.
That’s NOT “Conservative Voters”. I’m talking about the elite 1% propping up each other, to keep the 99% downtrodden with the help of around 40% of those 99% being “useful idiots” in order to achieve that: “Opposition Voters” you might call this group.
20 years ago, I was one of these “Opposition Voters”…
“Not My Prime Minister” Blair was ruling the roost. I wasn’t acting all the time “How to get rid of him, and re-instate the Tories”… I was thinking “How can I get on, and find prosperity under Labour rule?” My best years were already behind me at that point sadly, although I didn’t realize that at the time. I remain optimistic, and continue to be so - that, perhaps on this side of my active life - my best days might still yet to be coming…
That reminds me I need some new socks
My religion tells me I have to love my enemies,it doesnt tell me I have to like them!
Winseer:
<Sorry, posted this in the wrong thread initially>
Whoops!
I think you missed again.
stu675:
JeffA:
Before the rightwingers miss the point completely let me simplify the question:Rightwingers have you ever met a lefty you liked?
So why wasn’t this your opening post?
But no, you had get in there “intense personal hatred” without saying that that could be displayed by either side.
In answer to your question, I’m married to one.
I have a number of friends who are lefties, with most of them being connected to the NHS in some way.
They scold me for switching away from the Libdems (which I did, because they denied Brexit) and voting for the Tories three times.
If anything, I did Labour more damage by voting Libdem in 2010, putting Cleggy into coalition with Cameron rather than what I intended - which was to have Cleggy “regulate” a Gordon Brown coalition government rather better than anyone left in Labour could do it…
I couldn’t bring myself to vote for Gordon Brown as PM, because the way the Banking Bailout happened - convinced me that Labour only care about the super-rich, and the legal leftie lawyer faction(s) rater than the ordinary British people. That wasn’t my fault.
I never liked Cameron, and never voted for him. Osbourne - is nothing better than a “Sheriff of Nottingham” character, stealing from the poor to enrich the already-wealthy.
#Black Rock#
When Cameron picked up the Remain cause, the opposition - meaning Nick Clegg and Ed Milliband of the day - should have picked up the Brexit gauntlet. That they did not - proved at THAT point that we don’t have an opposition at all, then or since.
We have a three-way UniParty.
Three quarters of Parliament - were Remainers, who should have resigned alongside Cameron IF they could not be shifted off that stance.
The kitchen sink has been proverbally thrown at “outsiders” trying to get into Parliament with the exception of the Regional Nationalist and Green parties.
They were to be encouraged, as they would never go for a full majority later, once having got a foothold in parliament first.
Cameron might as well have “Refused Brexit outright, called an immediate general election, and blown up the Tory party THAT way”.
At least then, we would now have PM Ed Milliband to thank for “Keeping Energy Prices Down” - as no doubt he would have NOT ordered “Help for Ukraine”, and may well have done a cheap gas import deal for 30 years with Russia like China did…
Not sure where that would have put Corbyn, but I suspect with Ed as PM - “still a backbencher”, but at least “Still a Labour MP” if I were to put my Neutral hat on there…
These daft pundits who say “The Tories were taken over by UKIP” - are talking out their arses, of course.
The fact that UKIP seats got busted with full effort - proves that to be the base.
We’d have an established, and growing contigent of Farage-run MPs since 2015 IF it were true that the Tories are empowering anything Farage in any way whatsoever.
It isn’t true, it was never true.
Farage and the Tories - are bitter enemies, and always have been.
Labour should have encourged Brexiteer Tory voters into voting Labour, having picked up the “opposition to Cameron’s Remain” stance.
The biggest mistakes in UK history - were made PRIOR to the referendum, despite anything the Remainers argue.
We wouldn’t have had a refendum in the FIRST place, had Labour got behind the Brexiteer voting block as early as the Scottish Refendum result came in…
Sploom:
My religion tells me I have to love my enemies,it doesnt tell me I have to like them!
It always puzzled me why atheist lefties - seem to want to love thy faraway people we’ll never meet, when their good deeds will only result in the same outcome that befits atheists everywhere…
…Like trying to drive a truck without a HGV licence…
Just a question of “How many seconds, before you come to grief, by hitting something…”
In any case, Christ says “Go, make disciples of all nations” - NOT “Go love a foreigner”… it was “Love they neighbor as thyself”.
The next question “Who is my neighbor?” got answered by the Good Samaritan parable…
Sometimes I’m amazed that Lefties didn’t get behind the Christian Church, rather than the Communist cause!
Marky-p:
‘Reaches into cupboard to get popcorn’…
Haven’t you got any memes to post, like Nick Abbot does with his sound effects board?
Juddian:
The left once again accusing others of what they themselves always do, the OP proving time and again to be a prime example of the type.There is no right or far right, they’ve realised for long enough now that the country and its institutions have long ago been taken over by the left via the long march through them, they’ve given up and invested in popcorn and just try to enjoy the last few years before the world around them goes to hell.
Be careful what you wish for, socialist/communist regimes have a history of murdering millions, starting with the useful idiots who helped them to power.
The Far Center have been playing the Left vs the Right for decades…
Liberal Extremist, Deep State, Militant Greens, Fascist Whitehall departments, Woke Police, Westminster Uniparty, Packed House of Lords - all sides of the same larger animal.
Their play is Sabotaged Elections, “Inalienable Human Rights” - as long as you’re an illegal alien, otherwise you’re just a sub-human taxpayer about to have their house re-possessed.
Criticize a Deep Stater?
If they are a Banker: That’s Anti Semitic!
If they are a Celebrity: It’s OK to be woke!
If they are a private citizen? - They must be a recluse!
If they area politician? - They must be bought and paid for - The Deep state will buy, and the Public will pay!
If they are a criminal? - Quick - establish background Nationality/Faith/Colour for a defectled backstory!
m.a.n rules:
Therein lie’s your problem that you believe that…
Can “Sarcasm” be believed?
Does a tree falling down where no one hears it - make a sound?
Can a lie - possess a “your problem”?
Winseer:
Marky-p:
‘Reaches into cupboard to get popcorn’…0
Haven’t you got any memes to post, like Nick Abbot does with his sound effects board?
I would but I’m too busy eating my popcorn and enjoying the show from the sidelines 
Such friendly right-wingers!
No examples of befriending a lefty? Not once in your life?
They were ALL stalinist agitatators were they? Every last one of them. But you showed them.
Franglais:
tmcassett:
Sorry but now you are simply just antagonising and trying to provoke a fight for the sake of it.Really? I think you just may be proving a certain point.
There are arguments against the OP that don`t involve nastiness. So, is it that the only response you see to the post is to start a fight?
No, anyone with a pair of eyes and who can read knows he only started this thread to provoke an argument because the doomed submarine thread didn’t go his way. Pretty much everyone told him or implied what an insensitive idiot he is for what he said in that thread and rightly so.
tmcassett:
Franglais:
tmcassett:
Sorry but now you are simply just antagonising and trying to provoke a fight for the sake of it.Really? I think you just may be proving a certain point.
There are arguments against the OP that don`t involve nastiness. So, is it that the only response you see to the post is to start a fight?
No, anyone with a pair of eyes and who can read knows he only started this thread to provoke an argument because the doomed submarine thread didn’t go his way. Pretty much everyone told him or implied what an insensitive idiot he is for what he said in that thread and rightly so.
I can assure you that’s complete nonsense mate, you don’t seriously believe that do you?
And why do you need so desperately to call me names in the hope of what? I’ll be upset at your name-calling? What point does it serve?
Can you make a positive contribution to the thread? Have you had nice experiences with left-wingers in your real life? Or are all your opinions of left-wingers based on imaginary enemies behind keyboards? Does it make you feel better if you “win” by calling a total stranger names on the internet? If I said you’d hurt me calling me names so much I cried would you sit there stroking a semi over it?
Trust me - if we met in real life you would like me.
I don’t do politics.
I also don’t do religion.
The two biggest causes of aggression in human history.
Winseer:
m.a.n rules:
Therein lie’s your problem that you believe that…Can “Sarcasm” be believed?
Does a tree falling down where no one hears it - make a sound?Can a lie - possess a “your problem”?
FFS, does a bear ■■■■ in the wood’s…
JeffA:
Noticed on this board the intense personal hatred so many
Intense personal hatred…are you sure?
I think you are reading to much into this forum mate, if you think there is actual ‘HATRED’.
If anybody actually ‘hates’ somebody that they have only spoken to on a forum, they should not be on here imo.
I have guys on here who irritate me,.and I’m sure I ain’t everybody’s cup of tea on here,., I have regular spats with the likes of Frangers for one, , but .mainly because our characters and outlooks are poles apart,.in terms of him being a bit intense on stuff and me basically …wel not giving a ■■■■ tbh,.
But I certainly do not HATE him (maybe he hates me though after saying that ) …
Nor anybody else on here, it ain’t real life, in fact in real life I can only think of 2 to 3 people I actually HATE,…and all for ■■■■ good reasons.
I think if people actually feel hate on here, they have a bit of a psychological problem,.and are maybe a tad unbalanced tbh.
JeffA:
Such friendly right-wingers!No examples of befriending a lefty? Not once in your life?
They were ALL stalinist agitatators were they? Every last one of them. But you showed them.
I am actually a friendly right-winger believe it or not. I believe most of my small circle of friends that I’ve known for a long time are liberals, but we never seem to talk politics. I don’t tend to talk politics or make things political unless someone brings it up.
I only started following politics since 2015 and even then it was only U.S politics. I don’t follow UK politics that much, it seems boring in comparison!
I can’t say I’ve befriended a lefty (this is not on purpose) but I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t find me befriending someone if I knew they were a political activist with radical leftist views. We just wouldn’t be on the same page, most of the time.
I do believe it is important to be politically aware to some degree but I don’t let it rule my life.