As I’ve run out of things to think about I wonder if any one knows why they call it “handball” on loads that require well hand balling.
Don’t get me wrong I hear the phrase “Gonna be a 3 hour hand ball drive” and I love it as I will be doing something similar to my own balls for the forseable.
But does any one know where this phrase originates, maybe one for the old timers…
Also words like: ‘Demurage’, ‘Dunnage’, ‘Cabotage’, ‘Tribbing’ etc
I know what they mean but don’t know where they come from…
Yeah I’m to lazy to Google this stuff.
Also does anyone else have strange words they hear often in their job.
Dipper_Dave:
As I’ve run out of things to think about I wonder if any one knows why they call it “handball” on loads that require well hand balling.
Don’t get me wrong I hear the phrase “Gonna be a 3 hour hand ball drive” and I love it as I will be doing something similar to my own balls for the forseable.
But does any one know where this phrase originates, maybe one for the old timers…
Also words like: ‘Demurage’, ‘Dunnage’, ‘Cabotage’, ‘Tribbing’ etc
I know what they mean but don’t know where they come from…
Yeah I’m to lazy to Google this stuff.
Also does anyone else have strange words they hear often in their job.
I think demurage, dunnage and cabotage are all old shipping terms (for the same thing in road transport) and come from the French,along with similar words like equippage (vehicle). Robert
Cheers Robert, I’m always interested in this stuff.
Dipper_Dave:
As I’ve run out of things to think about I wonder if any one knows why they call it “handball” on loads that require well hand balling.
Don’t get me wrong I hear the phrase “Gonna be a 3 hour hand ball drive” and I love it as I will be doing something similar to my own balls for the forseable.
But does any one know where this phrase originates, maybe one for the old timers…
Also words like: ‘Demurage’, ‘Dunnage’, ‘Cabotage’,‘Tribbing’ etc
I know what they mean but don’t know where they come from…
Yeah I’m to lazy to Google this stuff.
Also does anyone else have strange words they hear often in their job.
I think you already know quite well where that word comes from Mr. Dave.
Avoiding Google, the French have a sports newspaper L’Equipe or The Team. And road workers are equipiers or team members I think.
Cabotage from the maritine explorer (Straits of Cabot?) and to do with coasting operations originally? Surprised if you haven’t heard of that with your cruisin expertise DD?
Handball I first heard in transport, and use it myself, but no clue about it’s origins.
We had a “lively discussion” about the origin of “fifth wheel” during a DCPC course, but I resorted to the www so won’t go further with that on this thread. We don’t want facts polluting our opinions!
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More importantly, why do they call it “cargo” when it goes by rail but move it by road and its called “shipment”?
The-Snowman:
More importantly, why do they call it “cargo” when it goes by rail but move it by road and its called “shipment”?
Rail: “freight” maybe?
Is there a difference between
Freight/Goods/Shipments/Loads/Cargo/Shipments/Consignments? Or can’t we just label it all as stuff? Saves a lot of effort on cmr notes if we do.
Diesel Dave could have an exemption: his papers would say “dodgy stuff”.
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Also ‘jockey wheel’ what’s that all about, mainly used on caravans and small trailers.
Perhaps it’s akin to a rectal thermometer, what on earth was the person caught doing that made them come up with the excuse it was a way of taking ones temperature, better still it caught on. I do hope it’s a relative.
Yes what interests me is the origins of words, who deceided say a spoon was going to be called a spoon, perhaps we have to go back to latin or basic language creation.
I have a Dipper related one:
Over here we call the the front arm of an excavator a dipper arm. But the Americans and Canadians seem to call it a stick.
Same as we call them artic’s but they call them Semi’s or tractor trailers. Think they call hand balling lumping as well?
I don’t ever remember it being called hand balling back in the 60’s/70’s, we just called it unloading or getting tipped. I’ve done a lot of it here in the States where it’s called a hand unload usually done by the driver, but if a driver hires someone else to unload for him that person is called a lumper usually found at scummy food warehouses.
DEMURAGE= is a detention…whereby a carrier demands extra payment for being held without just cause ( over and above a normal dedicated hour )
DUNNAGE = usually referred in the use of timber…lay the dunnage ( pieces of wood blocks ) along a trailers length, in order to place timber sets, or metal where there is a flat surface on the bottom of the goods to be loaded…for ease of unloading with a forklift or crane.
CABBOTAGE = under EU law where a carrier is permitted goods between two places in the same country.
TRIBBING = havnt a clue, as its not recognised in the Google dictionary.
HANDBALL = to off load without using mechanical devices…hands only…normally where its been loaded on the floor, and usually loaded onto pallets at the destination. or a childs game. 
origins of the above names Dipper, i tried, but got no answers.
Here’s a question. I used drive a flat bed. At times used have handball stuff of usually building supplies… 1 drop maybe year ago. Was on back wagon passing boxes off to fitters. Story short fitter picked box off it was heavy his words. he won’t off sick tried to sue company for loss of earning.
Company had words with me saying I shouldt be on wagon passing stuff off…if needs to be . The fitter has to climb and back off load stuff . I have to watch wait don’t get involved…
My view is my truck I’m trained I get on back pass stuff off. Fitters arnt trained and say they .fall off trying to get up etc.
Love to hear your views…also building sites that don’t have forklifts. The complain you can’t get on back of wagon.err ok then so how do get it off. They can’t answer it.just hand me health safety leaflet
A word that seems prevalent in my traffic office, and doubtless yours too is "cujajust " as in cujajust nip… still no idea what it means.
truckyboy:
TRIBBING = havnt a clue, as its not recognised in the Google dictionary.
Thanks for them TB, always going to be handy to new members.
Tribbing is a form of split coupling, quite a risky practice and if not performed with care things can get messy.
Some sites may have warning signs like: “Tribbing is not allowed on these Premises”.
Dipper_Dave:
truckyboy:
TRIBBING = havnt a clue, as its not recognised in the Google dictionary.
Thanks for them TB, always going to be handy to new members.
Tribbing is a form of split coupling, quite a risky practice and if not performed with care things can get messy.
Some sites may have warning signs like: “Tribbing is not allowed on these Premises”.
Split coupling! Perfect imagery.
edd1974:
Here’s a question. I used drive a flat bed. At times used have handball stuff of usually building supplies… 1 drop maybe year ago. Was on back wagon passing boxes off to fitters. Story short fitter picked box off it was heavy his words. he won’t off sick tried to sue company for loss of earning.
Company had words with me saying I shouldt be on wagon passing stuff off…if needs to be . The fitter has to climb and back off load stuff . I have to watch wait don’t get involved…
My view is my truck I’m trained I get on back pass stuff off. Fitters arnt trained and say they .fall off trying to get up etc.
Love to hear your views…also building sites that don’t have forklifts. The complain you can’t get on back of wagon.err ok then so how do get it off. They can’t answer it.just hand me health safety leaflet
Suppose the company wants to protect drivers as if they do their back in the wagons stranded. Hang on what am I saying, companies want to protect the wagon.
Back when I did plant on construction sites in the 90’s blokes would lift as much as they could, sure they may regret it now but in reality we should always know our limitations. That said it’s easy to lift something off a truck then twist or put it down badly and do your back in.
Probably explains all the ‘manual handling’ courses I’ve been on, to be fair they where all a let down and not what I expected at all.
Tribology is the science of friction and lubrication: it crosses the lines between physics and chemistry/materials science.
Oil companies employ tribologists to help them develop new lubricants. It’s all about reducing friction and losses through pumping and churning…oh dear, I’m getting deeper and deeper into this… 
Dipper_Dave:
truckyboy:
TRIBBING = havnt a clue, as its not recognised in the Google dictionary.
Thanks for them TB, always going to be handy to new members.
Tribbing is a form of split coupling, quite a risky practice and if not performed with care things can get messy.
Some sites may have warning signs like: “Tribbing is not allowed on these Premises”.
Why when I searched tribbing it involved Pornhub and two women?
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Ullage…where did that one come from? I know what it means but who/why named it so?
Actrosman:
Ullage…where did that one come from? I know what it means but who/why named it so?
Lovely word!
Sounds much muckier than it is.
Or is that just my mind?
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