Wheel Nut:
Certainly looks like the car was in the wrong for that erratic manoeuvre but it does make me think the way I was taught to drive was maybe better than the modern thinking.
Turning Left or Straight on - Left Lane.
Anything after 12 o clock use Right Lane until you pass the exit before yours.
It has been debated many times.
Good video but it doesn’t quite show all the road, although it does show both lanes marked for a right turn, so you have nothing to worry about
I agree Malc, I think that you should be as close to the centre of the roundabout as possible and move over as you pass the exit before the one you want (if that makes sense) but in this case the car was clearly at fault, even if the lorry was taking that exit as it was a single carriageway and the car would not have a lane if the lorry was already in the only lane available. Shame it was only a little knock, a bit more speed and the lorry could have t-boned the car properly and pushed him down the road until the driver crapped his pants, might make them drive a little better if there were more consequences to their stupidity. At least that’s one area where the Eastern Europeans are better than the Brits, they side swipe a car, they do a proper job of it
You’re right. This is my argument with speed bumps and chicanes and crap like that, most people who drive like complete gits in those areas are in company or stolen cars and don’t give a ■■■■ about any damage.
In this instance, he probably had a rental car on the way before he’d pulled over to exchange details so he didn’t miss that all important meeting, the ■■■■■■
Wheel Nut:
Certainly looks like the car was in the wrong for that erratic manoeuvre but it does make me think the way I was taught to drive was maybe better than the modern thinking.
Turning Left or Straight on - Left Lane.
Anything after 12 o clock use Right Lane until you pass the exit before yours.
It has been debated many times.
Good video but it doesn’t quite show all the road, although it does show both lanes marked for a right turn, so you have nothing to worry about
I agree Malc, I think that you should be as close to the centre of the roundabout as possible and move over as you pass the exit before the one you want (if that makes sense) but in this case the car was clearly at fault, even if the lorry was taking that exit as it was a single carriageway and the car would not have a lane if the lorry was already in the only lane available. Shame it was only a little knock, a bit more speed and the lorry could have t-boned the car properly and pushed him down the road until the driver crapped his pants, might make them drive a little better if there were more consequences to their stupidity. At least that’s one area where the Eastern Europeans are better than the Brits, they side swipe a car, they do a proper job of it
I totally agree about being in the right lane. Thing is i use this roundabout a lot & i used to take it in the right hand lane but because the left hand lane is also marked with a right arrow on many occasions i would indicate to come off but find a queue of cars all racing down my nearside trying to beat me onto the A358. Had so many near misses i find it safer doing it from the left hand lane. Like has been said its bad road planning
Happydaze:
I think both of you make good and valid points, and I can see why you take the positions that you do.
Look at it from a wider angle (pun not intended) though. Everybody who willfully fits one of these devices contributes to less freedom of choice for those who disagree with them. The more normalised they become, the nearer they get to being the industry norm. What’s the next step? Mandatory fitment. Then mandatory fitment in your private vehicle or you won’t get insurance. How long before they’re fitted in your home for the same reason?
If you think I’m being paranoid, have a think about how many insurance policies you are effectively obliged to have these days. Who sets the terms? The government and the insurance companies.
Wedges have thin edges, chaps.
I don’t see the rational for saying “willfully” fitting these devices contributes to less freedom. If someone wants to contest a version of events offered by another is the camera footage not evidence that can be used to determine the more probable version?
If Johnny crash stager wants to take a chance then he can. Only thing is his victim can help protect himself from the full effect of the ne’er do well. If impinging on the freedoms of ne’er do wells is such a bad thing then so be it, if reducing the cost of my insurance by fighting back against such activities reduces their freedoms then so be it. Don’t forget accidents/incidents in the lorry while at work can also affect your private vehicle insurance.
When you suggest that mandatory fitting may be the next step if they become so wide spread is that not how seat belts came to be mandatory. Would you say that seat belts are an infringement of freedoms? Perhaps they are but they deliver a greater good (reduced injuries in the event of a crash). These devices can help reduce the financial injuries of contested incidents.
Wheel Nut:
Certainly looks like the car was in the wrong for that erratic manoeuvre but it does make me think the way I was taught to drive was maybe better than the modern thinking.
Turning Left or Straight on - Left Lane.
Anything after 12 o clock use Right Lane until you pass the exit before yours.
It has been debated many times.
Good video but it doesn’t quite show all the road, although it does show both lanes marked for a right turn, so you have nothing to worry about
I agree Malc, I think that you should be as close to the centre of the roundabout as possible and move over as you pass the exit before the one you want (if that makes sense) but in this case the car was clearly at fault, even if the lorry was taking that exit as it was a single carriageway and the car would not have a lane if the lorry was already in the only lane available. Shame it was only a little knock, a bit more speed and the lorry could have t-boned the car properly and pushed him down the road until the driver crapped his pants, might make them drive a little better if there were more consequences to their stupidity. At least that’s one area where the Eastern Europeans are better than the Brits, they side swipe a car, they do a proper job of it
You’re right. This is my argument with speed bumps and chicanes and crap like that, most people who drive like complete gits in those areas are in company or stolen cars and don’t give a ■■■■ about any damage.
In this instance, he probably had a rental car on the way before he’d pulled over to exchange details so he didn’t miss that all important meeting, the [zb]
Funny you should say that…he was driving a company car
Happydaze:
I think both of you make good and valid points, and I can see why you take the positions that you do.
Look at it from a wider angle (pun not intended) though. Everybody who willfully fits one of these devices contributes to less freedom of choice for those who disagree with them. The more normalised they become, the nearer they get to being the industry norm. What’s the next step? Mandatory fitment. Then mandatory fitment in your private vehicle or you won’t get insurance. How long before they’re fitted in your home for the same reason?
If you think I’m being paranoid, have a think about how many insurance policies you are effectively obliged to have these days. Who sets the terms? The government and the insurance companies.
Wedges have thin edges, chaps.
I don’t see the rational for saying “willfully” fitting these devices contributes to less freedom. If someone wants to contest a version of events offered by another is the camera footage not evidence that can be used to determine the more probable version?
If Johnny crash stager wants to take a chance then he can. Only thing is his victim can help protect himself from the full effect of the ne’er do well. If impinging on the freedoms of ne’er do wells is such a bad thing then so be it, if reducing the cost of my insurance by fighting back against such activities reduces their freedoms then so be it. Don’t forget accidents/incidents in the lorry while at work can also affect your private vehicle insurance.
When you suggest that mandatory fitting may be the next step if they become so wide spread is that not how seat belts came to be mandatory. Would you say that seat belts are an infringement of freedoms? Perhaps they are but they deliver a greater good (reduced injuries in the event of a crash). These devices can help reduce the financial injuries of contested incidents.
That’s correct, you don’t. That’s why you’re not concerned about them. Do you subscribe to the theory that “if you’ve nothing to hide, you’ve nothing to fear” too? You assume that the more probable version will work in your favour.
You don’t get paid to “fight back” aginst miscreants, so leave it to the professionals. Seatbelts became mandatory for the reasons I raised earlier, mandatory Insurance and its consequences. I do say that seatbelts are an impingement on freedom. As for the greater good angle, that’s been used to justify all sorts of laws and actions for many years, it’s a catch-all to coerce people into doing what others want them to do.
tyler4164:
Like has been said its bad road planning
I disagree, if people read the signs and road markings there should be a problem.
You are both right and wrong there…
Sometimes the signs or road markings are so close to the roundabout, you don’t see them until you’re already sat in the queue that was covering them.
But, bad road planning is still bad road planning even if everybody uses it correctly.
Take the M60 from Stockport to M67 towards Glossop (Sheffield) as a prime example. Most people use both right lanes to join the M67, but you should only use the right hand one, BUT there’s no reason why they couldn’t have marked it so you could use both the right lanes and this would definately of prevented a lot of accidents and reduced congestion since most people are going onto the M67.
What you get instead is a queue in the right lane that takes 5 light changes to get through, then you’ve got cars flying up your inside and cutting in, and this is bad road planning.
Wheel Nut:
Certainly looks like the car was in the wrong for that erratic manoeuvre but it does make me think the way I was taught to drive was maybe better than the modern thinking.
Turning Left or Straight on - Left Lane.
Anything after 12 o clock use Right Lane until you pass the exit before yours.
It has been debated many times.
Good video but it doesn’t quite show all the road, although it does show both lanes marked for a right turn, so you have nothing to worry about
Shame it was only a little knock, a bit more speed and the lorry could have t-boned the car properly and pushed him down the road until the driver crapped his pants
Professional…
Thank you
Although you miss the point, possibly due to having never been in a similar situation. You have to bear in mind saaamon that in your van you will have less people trying to get in front of you at all costs, a proper lorry driver has to contend with situations like this all the time, but I won’t come down on you for that, a lack of experience is not a crime
Now think about this, the ■■■■ in the car had no clear sightline into the exit he took, forget for a moment that he was that unaware that the path that he took was going to make him contact the [zb] great big articulated lorry and concentrate on the fact thay he could not see where he was about to go. Right, so what if there was a person or group of people crossing the road, he would’ve hurtled (unsighted) around the front of the lorry and mown them all down What if there was a line of stationary traffic there, he would’ve ploughed into them What if there was a Police Car sitting there watching proceedings, he would’ve got nicked Any number of potential consequences to his manouvere and getting hit by the lorry was probably the best one of the lot (except for getting away with it through sheer good luck) so taking that into account, my tongue in cheek remarks are more sensible than they would first appear
People drive with no regard to others, they do this because, quite often, the other driver’s skill or awareness prevents an accident, because of this they do it time and time again, unfortunately it goes wrong at times and innocent people get hurt, or people’s pride and joy (their vehicle) gets damaged, maybe if there were more serious consequences and they didn’t get away with it time and time again, they may drive a bit in a bit more responsibly in the first place and needless collisions would not occur
Maybe you could ask one of the lads on here or when you’re next down at Stobarts taking pictures for your scrapbook you could ask the depot manager if you can go out with one of the drivers for a day, that way you could see what proper lorry drivers have to contend with on a daily basis and it may alter your perception a little, just a thought, hope it helps
waynedl:
Sometimes the signs or road markings are so close to the roundabout, you don’t see them until you’re already sat in the queue that was covering them.
waynedl:
Sometimes the signs or road markings are so close to the roundabout, you don’t see them until you’re already sat in the queue that was covering them.
Thats very annoying!
That’s another drawback of being a van driver, you sit higher in a lorry so you can see over the traffic blocking the signs
tyler4164:
I totally agree about being in the right lane. Thing is i use this roundabout a lot & i used to take it in the right hand lane but because the left hand lane is also marked with a right arrow on many occasions i would indicate to come off but find a queue of cars all racing down my nearside trying to beat me onto the A358. Had so many near misses i find it safer doing it from the left hand lane. Like has been said its bad road planning
I agree too - in fact, we used to go around this roundabout on the way to Taunton when I was training, and I was told that a truck should always (there are always exceptions, of course) use the left-hand lane when there’s a choice, as part of allowing faster vehicles to pass, or whatever the official working is. So you ‘should’ go to the 4th exit in the left hand lane there, though it feels weird. As you say, if the cars are going to be taking advantage of the other lane to race past you, it’s better if they’re doing it on the right - at least they’re not in your passenger-side blind-spot just as you leave the roundabout.
Let’s face it, it took about 20 years and a dozen (?) fatalities before they repainted the white-lines on the Illminster bypass, even though it was obvious on the day it opened in 1988 that it had been designed by a homicidal moron - seems unlikely they’ll be re-labelling the roundabout any time soon.
wilbur:
Let’s face it, it took about 20 years and a dozen (?) fatalities before they repainted the white-lines on the Illminster bypass, even though it was obvious on the day it opened in 1988 that it had been designed by a homicidal moron - seems unlikely they’ll be re-labelling the roundabout any time soon.
Is that the bit further back (behind Tyler’s wagon) where you used to beable to overtake in both directions?
tyler4164:
I totally agree about being in the right lane. Thing is i use this roundabout a lot & i used to take it in the right hand lane but because the left hand lane is also marked with a right arrow on many occasions i would indicate to come off but find a queue of cars all racing down my nearside trying to beat me onto the A358. Had so many near misses i find it safer doing it from the left hand lane. Like has been said its bad road planning
I agree too - in fact, we used to go around this roundabout on the way to Taunton when I was training, and I was told that a truck should always (there are always exceptions, of course) use the left-hand lane when there’s a choice, as part of allowing faster vehicles to pass, or whatever the official working is. So you ‘should’ go to the 4th exit in the left hand lane there, though it feels weird. As you say, if the cars are going to be taking advantage of the other lane to race past you, it’s better if they’re doing it on the right - at least they’re not in your passenger-side blind-spot just as you leave the roundabout.
Let’s face it, it took about 20 years and a dozen (?) fatalities before they repainted the white-lines on the Illminster bypass, even though it was obvious on the day it opened in 1988 that it had been designed by a homicidal moron - seems unlikely they’ll be re-labelling the roundabout any time soon.
Wouldn’t just be easier to get rid of all the lane marking and get back to that original idea of correct positioning on roundabouts using common sense.It’s just like speed limits.Dumbed down roundabouts are producing dumbed down drivers.A combination of nmm’s idea,of if they get it wrong hopefully there’ll be something big there to make them pay the price of their stupidity in which case they’ll know not to get it wrong next time,and this type of roundabout layout should do it.
Gembo:
Is that the bit further back (behind Tyler’s wagon) where you used to beable to overtake in both directions?
Yes. You could get four cars abreast across there if everyone held their nerve (and their steering wheels). It didn’t work so well once it was three trucks, one car and perhaps a cheeky motorbike trying for a bit of space down the middle. But it seemed really exciting to me when it first opened, because I was 17 and a near-death experience was pretty much what I expected from any trip in a car.
A few years ago it was going to be dualled, all the way from East of Illminster right through to Taunton, but then the money ran out so that plan has been shelved.
I have to say I find all these, I love on board cameras a good thing, comments fascinating. Just the other week, according to a few posters on here, all cyclists that have helmet cameras are morons. Maybe it’s sinking in how useful they can be after all.
Slackbladder:
I have to say I find all these, I love on board cameras a good thing, comments fascinating. Just the other week, according to a few posters on here, all cyclists that have helmet cameras are morons. Maybe it’s sinking in how useful they can be after all.
What if there was a line of stationary traffic there, he would’ve ploughed into them 
