Hi Folks ,That photo of Pollocks ATKI , is a cracker ,Cheers Barry
Evening all, well poor journalism was not only confined to present times!!
That cab was well designed, the mouldings were not simple, the only poor part was rustproofing on the sub-assembly…(but anyone who purchased a 50, or 60s car would know about that)
Having travelled a few thousand miles in one of those cabs, they were not bad at all, and far better than many!
Cheerio for now.
Sorry about that , new to all this didnt mean to copy your post and only just learned how to delete it Geoff
Lawrence Dunbar:
We liked the RRs ,
GUY,ROLLS-ROYCE,MILITARY PROCUREMENT.
VALKYRIE replies:-
This post is in reply to Bewick,Carl Williams,Carryfast,FrankyDobo,Gingerfold,Harry_Gill,Retired Old ■■■■,Saviem,ect.
It has taken me a long time to reply,because I’ve been doing other things,including wheeling and dealing in shortwave radio receivers,attending fun fairs and going to vintage vehicle rallies 
SUPERLATIVE PRECISION ENGINEERING QUALITY BY ROLLS-ROYCE.
Strive for perfection in everything you do.Take the best that exists and make it better.When it does not exist,design it.SIR HENRY ROYCE:-
To anyone familiar with the history of Rolls-Royce,advertiseing had nothing whatsoever to do with the objective superlative precision engineering quality of the products of HENRY ROYCE - Rolls came later on.Head of his own electrical engineering company,Henry Royce became interested in motorcars,bought a French-built Decauville motorcar,but he thought that it’s engineering could be greatly improved and decided to build his own motorcar with superior standards of engineering - you could not hear the engine on tickover! 
Thus the Rolls-Royce legend of objective superlative precision engineering quality,renowned the world over,started with a series of ROYCE prototype motorcars built in 1904.Later on in the same year of 1904,Panhard motorcar dealer,Charles Stewart Rolls,impressed by the superior engineering of the ROYCE motorcars,and on the look out for another motorcar marque to sell it’s range of motorcars,decided to join forces with Fredrick Henry Royce and together they formed Royce-Royce Ltd to make Rolls-Royce Motorcars.
ROLLS-ROYCE:Two names that go together very well - they really compliment each other beautifully 
:-
CHARLES STEWART ROLLS - 1877-1910 AND FREDERICK HENRY ROYCE - 1863-1933,CO-FOUNDERS OF THE ROLLS-ROYCE MOTORCAR COMPANY:-
ROLLS-ROYCE SILVER GHOST -THE BEST MOTORCAR IN THE WORLD,THE RESULT OF SUPERIOR ENGINEERING - NOT ADVERTISING.
The Rolls-Royce motorcar model that really put Rolls-Royce on the map was the Silver Ghost,and sutch was the superior engineering quality of this motorcar,that it prompted the famous THE AUTOCAR Magazine,who road tested it,to proclaim the Rolls- Royce Silver Ghost as “THE BEST MOTORCAR IN THE WORLD”:-
This very prestigious accolade - the result of SUPERIOR ENGINEERING,and NOT advertising - gradually became legendary throughout the world and has become part of the Rolls-Royce image and mystique,and the makers of Rolls-Royce Motorcars have always tried to maintain this reputation in every motorcar that they have built ever since to date.This Rolls-Royce prestige,quality and superior engneering was incorporated in to Rolls-Royce Aeroplane Engines and other products:-
ROLLS-ROYCE SILVER GHOST 40/50HP 4-DOOR 6-PASSENGER OPEN MOTORCAR,AX 201.registered in Monmouthshire,Wales,in 1906.The most expensive historic motorcar in the world today:-
Of course Rolls-Royce have always advertised,but the superlative engineering of Rolls-Royce and very high reputation has always been pre-eminent over,and has outshone,advertising and THE BEST MOTORCAR IN WORLD slogan has been legendary for decades!
THE LESS EXPENSIVE ROLLS-ROYCE AUTOMOTIVE DIESEL ENGINES AND THE FAR MORE EXPENSIVE ROLLS-ROYCE MOTORCARS.
Rolls-Royce Motorcars are built for the luxury motorcar market -royalty,VIPs,The Jet Set,multi-billionairs,Hollywood Film Royalty,ect,are the customers,where virtually no expense is spared in every way.Although the Rolls-Royce prestige was integral with Rolls-Royce automotive,marine and industrial diesel engines,the same degree of quality of the motorcars could not be incorporated in their diesel engines for reasons of cost - the Rolls-Royce Oil-Diesel Engine Division would have priced itself out of the market! Thus Rolls-Royce diesel engines had to be in the same price range as AEC,■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ and Leyland diesel engines.
THE PRESTIGE OF THE ROLLS-ROYCE MARQUE NAME.
Without a doubt,the prestige of the Rolls-Royce name in turn added prestige to the marques that were powered by Rolls-Royce diesel engines,such as Scammell,ERF,Foden,Atkinson,Thornycroft and many other marques;the Rolls-Royce name also added prestige to the motor vehicles and fleets of the operators…it was,and still is,a privilege to be a Rolls-Royce owner,buyer,operator and enthusiast!
AEC,CATERPILLAR,■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ ALL GOOD ENGINES.
Bewick misguidedly thinks that I am supposed to be “anti-■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ 
You must be joking! You do not know me,so how can you make such an incorrect statement? You are wrong. I am objectively,rightly and vigorously defending the great ROLLS-ROYCE Automotive Diesel-Oil Engines from the objective nonsense that has been directed at them on this thread and elsewhere,when in reality it is obviously clear that a great many operators received great service from Rolls-Royce Automotve Diesel-Oil Engines,including most if not all of the operators in the following impressive list! :-
COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF ROLLS-ROYCE-PERKINS AUTOMOTIVE DIESEL-OIL ENGINED MOTOR VEHICLE OPERATORS.
ABOODS TRANSPORT,SYDNEY,AUSTRALIA.
J.R.ADAMS (Newcastle) Ltd.
AIR PRODUCTS.
ALLIED BREWERY.
AMC:AMEY ROADSTONE COMPANY.
ANDY’S TRANSPORT Ltd.
ARAMCO.
AUTOCAR & TRANSPORTERS Ltd.
F.BALL & COMPANY.
J.BARRETT HAULAGE Ltd.
BASS CHARRINGTON.
BEECHAM FOODS-CORONA-LUCOZADE.
EDWARD BECK.
BERESFORD TRANSPORT Ltd.
BLUE CIRCLE CEMENT.
BOC INTERBRAND.
BRADY GROUP TRANSPORT Ltd.
BRITISH ROAD SERVICES.
WILLIAM BRUNSKILL & SON (Transport) Ltd.
BUCKLEY TANKERS.
C & G TRANSPORT.
C.M.S. CHAPMAN.
CARTRANSPORT - NATIONAL FREIGHT CONSORTIUM.
CENTRAL ROAD TRANSPORT Ltd.
W.G.CLOVER & SONS Ltd.
CONTINENTAL TRAILWAYS.
SIDDLE C.COOK.
CROSSLEY EVANS.
CROWN AGENTS.
DALGETY.
DALTON DEMOLITION.
DAVID G.DAVIES & SONS Ltd.
H.W.DINES & CO.Ltd.
DIRECT TRANSPORT.
DIXON.
WILLIAM DOBSON OF EDINBURGH.
DONVAL TRANSPORT.
LAWRENCE DUNBAR & SON TRANSPORT.
PETER DUNCAN,AYR,SCOTLAND.
ELECTRICITY SUPPLY BOARD,DUBLIN,IRELAND.
ELLIOTT,YORK.
ESSO.
EVANS FREIGHT.
FEDERATION BREWERY.
FINE FARE SUPERMARKETS.
FORESTRY COMMISSION.
FREIGHTLINER.
GENERAL POST OFFICE.
GREGORY & SONS.
G.GILBRAITH.
W.GLENDINNING Ltd.
LEONARD GREEN-PARK GATE IRON AND STEEL CO.
R.HANSON & SON.
HARDING BROTHERS (Contractors) Ltd.
HARDSTAFF HAULAGE.
HUGHES HAULAGE (Llanelli) Ltd.
ICI Ltd.
JORDAN PHOSPHATE MINES COMPANY Ltd.
LONG OF LEEDS.
SAM LONGSON Ltd.
DAVE LYNN.
MARPLES.
MAYNE NICKLESS.
S & H McCALL.
THOMAS MEADOWS & CO.Ltd.
MINISTRY OF DEFENCE.
MINISTRY OF SUPPLY.
MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT.
MOBIL.
JAMES MOFFAT HAULAGE CONTRACTOR.
GLYNN MORRIS.
MONRO’S TRANSPORT Ltd,Aberdeen.
J & M MURDOCK.
NCB - MINES RESCUE.
W.NICHOL.
NORTHERN IRELAND TRAILERS.
QATAR PETROLEUM COMPANY Ltd.
PARK CAKES Ltd.
B.S.PARKER.
PICKFORDS.
PILKINGTON GLASS.
POLLOCK SCOT TRANS.
PONTRILAS TIMBER.
PUBLIC WORKS (BRISTOL) Ltd.
PVS BARNSLEY Ltd.
RICHARD READ.
RICHMAN ROADWAYS Ltd.
W & J RIDING.
ROBSON BORDER TRANSPORT.
ROWNTREES.
RUGBY CEMENT.
SAMPSON TRANSPORT SERVICES Ltd.
SHELL-MEX-BP.
SHIRLEYS TRANSPORT.
F.R.SOMERSET Ltd.
SOUTH YORKSHIRE TRANSPORT P.T.E.
G.R.STEIN REFRACTORIES.
D.STEVENS & SON.
STORTASH CO.Ltd.
SUNTER BROTHERS.
SUTTON & SONS OF ST.HELENS.
R.SWAIN & SONS Ltd-SWAIN GROUP.
TARMAC.
TEXACO.
TILCON.
TOSE & NAHUM,LIBYA.
TRANSLIFT FREIGHT OF KNOTTINGLEY.
ERNEST THORPE TRANSPORT.
UNITED ATOMIC ENERGY AUTHORITY.
UNITED BISCUITS DISTRIBUTION SERVICES Ltd.
STEVE VERNON TRANSPORT.
ERIC VICK.
VICKERS.
E.C.WARD.
WEST MIDLANDS P.T.E.
G.T.WILLIAMS & SON.
WILLMENT.
WIMPEY.
WINCANTON VEHICLE RENTALS.
WYNNS.
The above list of operators of Rolls-Royce-Perkins Diesel Engines that powered their motor vehicles is by no means exhaustive:Many other operators wisely bought many Rolls-Royce-Perkins diesel-engined motor vehicles - fleets of them in fact! - both in the United Kingdom and overseas the world over:-
ROLLS-ROYCE DIESELS ARE PAYING DIVIDENDS FROM THE ARTIC TO THE ANTIPODES,the front cover of a 1957 Rolls-Royce Diesel Engines specifications,56-page,booklet.
And this also applied in the 1960s,1970s,1980s,1990s,2000s,et seq:-
■■■■■■■ BETTER THAN ROLLS-ROYCE? SO WHAT.BIG DEAL.LOADS OF OPERATORS STILL WISELY BOUGHT ROLLS-ROYCE DIESEL ENGINES!!!
It may be that both ■■■■■■■ and Gardner engines were better than Rolls-Royce diesel engines - for a certain period at least,but not always - BUT,SO WHAT.It did NOT MATTER to many Rolls-Royce diesel engine customers,since they got GOOD and RELIABLE SERVICE from these Rolls-Royce-Perkins engines!!!
And my thread on ROLLS-ROYCE DIESEL ENGINES,and this thread, have proved that most operators were pleased with,and obtained good service from,Rolls-Royce-Perkins Diesel Engines.These objective facts prove how futile it is to dismiss Rolls-Royce Diesel Engines en masse as so-called “rubbish”.The detractors cannot be taken seriously,and that is a fact.
■■■■■■■ better than Rolls-Royce? - so what - THAT’S LIFE,my mate,FRANK SINATRA,THE VOICE,wisely sings…loads of motor vehicle operators still bought Rolls-Royce Diesel Engines …including the above listed operators! :-
ROLLS-ROYCE-PERKINS DIESEL ENGINES AND OTHER QUALITY EQUIPMENT FOR THE MILITARY.
I have never said that Rolls-Royce made the best diesel engines - though I have said several times on the Gardner Engines thread that,although Gardner produced mainly underpowered engines,Gardner,because of their top precision quality,probably was the Rolls-Royce of diesel engines.
Many British companies,including the British Establishment,used to,and some still do,have a Buy British Policy including the British Ministry of Defence,which was one of the main reasons why the British military operated British-built military vehicles,some of which were powered by both Rolls-Royce petrol and diesel engines.I have already stated that military outfits sometimes make mistakes,but since these outfits have very high standards,they soon rectify these mistakes.
It is an established fact that the British Ministry of Defence,and the defence outfits of other countries,have very high standards - as I proved in my previous post in this thread - and they do not buy any old rubbish.Furthermore,if,for example,the Rolls-Royce diesel engines that powers the Foden and Scammell DROPS Lorries - or the whole vehicles - did not meet the critical demands and high standards of the British military,Rolls-Royce and/or Foden and/or Scammell would have soon known about it and would have had to make modifications in order to secure the orders.Otherwise,the Ministry of Defence would have placed their orders elsewhere with other manufacturers!
I have obtained the following piece of impressive and informative data on Perkins-Rolls-Royce Diesel Engines from the ARMY GUIDE Website:-
army-guide.com/eng/product3962.html
ARMY GUIDE Website.
"Designation:
Eagle Tx
Info
Manufactured by: Perkins Engine Company Ltd
Type: Engine and Systems
Name: Diesel engine
The Perkins Eagle Tx is a development of the highly successful Eagle range of diesel engines developed in the mid-1970s.
Since that time, in various guises, the Eagle engine has been supplied to the British Army as its primary logistic vehicle engine powering vehicles made by Foden, Seddon Atkinson, ERF, Scammell (UNIPOWER) and others, with over 7,000 engines in service.
Today it is in production rated at 350 hp as the 350e, for installation in the Leyland DROPS (8 x 6) vehicle. The new 400 Tx is in the UNIPOWER BR90 (8 x 
bridgelaying vehicleforthe British Army.
As the C6 320 1"F12 rated at 320 hp, the Eagle powers the Royal Ordnance Combat Engineer Tractor (CET) which is used by India, Singapore and the UK. This is the only known armoured vehicle application for the Eagle Tx diesel engine.
Rated from 300 to 400 hp the Eagle Tx complies with Euro 2 emission regulations and can thus be retrofitted into older logistics vehicles.
Status
Production. In service with many countries including India, Singapore and the UK.
Specifications
Property
Value
Engine power output (h.p.)
400
Cylinder bore (mm)
130.2
Cylinder stroke (mm)
150.4
Narrow field of view (degrees)
6
Length (mm)
1539
Width (mm)
716
Height (mm)
1070
Weight (kg)
1030" UNQUOTE.
NECESSITY IS THE MOTHER OF INVENTION…THE MILITARY IS ALSO THE MOTHER OF INVENTION TOO:-
Because the military,such as the defence outfits of Great Britian and the United States of America,are very much concerned about prevailing over any enemy country,or whatever,or whoever,the standards of equipment procurement are very high - and so is,if necessary,equipment rectifcation,i.e.if,say a newly developed military jet fighter aeroplane does not come up to requirements in some respects,it will be modified to work properly and meet the stringent specifications of the military.
Many well known items,some of which - or spin offs from them - are now in everyday domestic use,were invented for the military including the following :-
BALLISTIC MISSILES.
BOUNCING BOMBS.
DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHY.
ELECTRONIC COMPUTERS.
ELECTRONIC COUNTERMEASURES.
GPS = GLOBAL POSTIONING SYSTEM.
INTERNET.
JET ENGINE.
NIGHT VISION.
NUCLEAR TECHNOLOGY.
RADAR AND MICROWAVE RADAR.
WALKIE-TALKIE - PORTABLE-MOBILE RADIO COMMUNICATIONS.
ROLLS-ROYCE-PERKINS DIESEL ENGINES:ACCENTUATE THE POSITIVE.
Although this post is similar to my previous post on this thread,it is designed to objectively reinforce and,in the words of the famous song writer Johnny Mercer,Accentuate The Positive,on what I’ve written about the objective facts of Rolls-Royce-Perkins Diesel Engines,Rolls-Royce-Perkins operators and military procurement in all of my posts on these subjects
And here are some more photographs:-
Peter Foden,Chairman of ERF Ltd,who was an enthusiastic Rolls-Royce motorcar owner-driver by the way,was proud of ERF’s reputation as a premium quality commercial vehicle marque,and would not allow any old rubbish to be fitted in to his beloved ERF motor vehicles! Hence,ERF fitted some of the best components available,including AEC,Gardner,■■■■■■■ diesel and Rolls-Royce petrol and diesel engines - ERF’s great slogan was:-
‘ERF THE WORLD’S BEST OIL-ENGINED LORRY’…and I’m sure Peter Foden was both pleased and proud that ROLLS-ROYCE Diesel Engines made a great contribution to the above ERF slogan! :-
ROLLS-ROYCE RR SILVER AND BLACK BADGE ON THE RADIATOR GRILLE OF AN ERF B-SERIES LORRY:-
For at least around 45 years ERF fitted Rolls-Royce Diesel-Oil Engines in to their motor vehicle models:-
ERF KV 66R,ROLLS-ROYCE C-RANGE DIESEL-ENGINED,6x4 HEAVY HAULAGE TRACTIVE UNIT-ARTIC.Late 1950s-early 1960s.Dan Taylor Benningfield Ltd,Durban,South Africa:-
ERF EC12TX-375 OLYMPIC,PERKINS-ROLLS-ROYCE EAGLE TX 375 DIESEL-ENGINED,6x2 TWIN STEER TRACTIVE UNITS,M4 DGD and M3 DGD,1994-1995.David G.Davies and Sons Ltd:-
ERF THE WORLD’S BEST OIL-ENGINED LORRY USED MANY ROLLS-ROYCE DIESEL ENGINES! - Peter Foden was a discerning business man!
(Not that ERF actually was The World’s Best Oil-Engined Lorry 
…but it was a great accolade for ERF’s engine suppliers.)
Miner’s lives depended on Rolls-Royce diesel engines:-
ATKINSON BORDERER T3446RR,Mk2 PANORAMIC-CABBED,ROLLS-ROYCE EAGLE DIESEL-ENGINED,4x2 TRACTIVE UNIT,CHASSIS No.FC.28934,KKU 655P.NCB Mines Rescue Lowloader Articulated Lorry:-
LOCKHEED MARTIN F-22 RAPTOR HIGH PERFORMANCE SUPERMANEUVERABLE STEALTH TWIN JET-ENGINED AIR SUPERIORITY FIGHTER AEROPLANE.U.S.A.Air Force.JSOH Airshow,Edwards Air Force Base:-
LOCKHEED MARTIN F-22 RAPTOR HIGH PERFORMANCE SUPERMANEUVERABLE STEALTH TWIN JET-ENGINED AIR SUPERIORITY FIGHTER AEROPLANE.U.S.A.Air Force.Because this aeroplane is supermaneuverable,it is more susceptible to build ups of water vapour on the airframe,which makes it’s flying displays even more spectacular! :-
The sensational take off of a LOCKHEED MARTIN F-22 RAPTOR AEROPLANE on YouTube :-
youtube.com/watch?v=16ti9GwnlVs
The Ministry of Transport depend on Rolls-Royce diesel engines to keep the roads of the United Kingdom free of snow and ice:-
FODEN 4000-SERIES S106,S10 Mk4-CABBED,PERKINS-ROLLS-ROYCE EAGLE 800-350LE DIESEL-ENGINED,26-TON GVW 6x6 GRITTER-SNOWPLOUGH,H156 BST.Scotland:-
The United Kingdom’s Ministry of Defence specified largely superb military equipment (they still do of course! ) for the Royal Air Force,Army and Royal Navy of the 1950s,1960s,1970s and beyond,including the Vickers Valiant,Handley Page Victor and Avro Vulcan Conventional and Thermonuclear Strike V-Bomber Aeroplanes.These were the frontline aeroplanes and mainstays of Great Britain’s thermonuclear defence force during the Cold War.And here is an example of the superb Avro Vulcan :-
AVRO VULCAN B.2,FOUR-JET ENGINED,DELTA WING CONVENTIONAL AND THERMONUCLEAR STRIKE V-BOMBER AEROPLANE,XH558,ex-Royal Air Force,preserved in flightworthy condition:-
FODEN 6AR6/40,KENWORTH K100 SLEEPER-CABBED,ROLLS-ROYCE EAGLE MkIII DIESEL-ENGINED,6x4 TRACTIVE UNIT,MISS ROCHELLE.ABOODS,AUSTRALIA.New in 1965 with a S21 Spaceship Cab,rebuilt with Fuller gearbox,Eaton axles,Rolls-Royce engine:-
Military Vehicle Historian,Pat Ware,has written several fascinating books on motor vehicles,but especially on military vehicles of course,including this very interesting reference book about the Rolls-Royce B-Series petrol-engined range of British military vehicles:-
A.IN NATIONAL SERVICE,THE ROLLS-ROYCE B-SERIES ENGINE,PAT WARE.A reference book about Rolls-Royce B-Series-petrol engined British military vehicles:-
It’s about time that Pat Ware wrote a book about the great Rolls-Royce diesel-engined military vehicles of Great Britain and other countries,and about what really great engines they are! …
Guy Motors built several normal control and forward control Rolls-Royce C-Range Diesel-engined Guy Invincible 4x2 and 6x4 Tractive Units,including this:-
GUY INVINCIBLE NORMAL CONTROL-BONNETED,ROLLS-ROYCE C-RANGE or GARDNER 6LX 150 DIESEL-ENGINED,6x4 Heavy Haulalge Lowloader Artic,YDW 521,1961.Wynns,No.101:-
LEYLAND ROADTRAIN,ROLLS-ROYCE EAGLE TURBOCHARGED DIESEL-ENGINED 4x2 TRACTIVE UNIT,395 SM 49,French registered,operated by a showman:-
GENERAL DYNAMICS F 111C AARDVARK,TWIN JET-ENGINED,SWING WING FIGHTER BOMBER AEROPLANE,Royal Australian Air Force,doing it’s spectacular airborne fuel dumping and burn demonstration-party piece! :-
MCW METROBUS DR 104/4,ROLLS-ROYCE EAGLE DIESEL-ENGINED,H43/30F 73-SEAT DOUBLE DECKER OMNIBUS,Chassis No.MB5196,BOM 6V,West Midlands PTE 7006:-
ROYAL AIR FORCE MENWITH HILL AMERICAN NSA-BRITISH GCHQ STATION…spy station - all power to GCHQ-NSA! John Lennon,#9 Dream -at 1:57 to 2:10…all over again! :-
Royal Air Force Menwith Hill Station is protecting our realm! So to hell with the ridiculous CND!
MCW METROBUS DR 104/6 H46/31F 77-SEAT DOUBLE DECKER OMNIBUS,JHE 194W.Mainline-South Yorkshire’s Transport 1894.Powered by a Rolls-Royce Eagle 220 Diesel Engine:-
SCAMMELL-LEYLAND CRUSADER,ROLLS-ROYCE EAGLE DIESEL-ENGINED,6x4 HEAVY LORRIES,Ex-British Military.LEFT,HET Tractive Unit.23 GJ 69.RIGHT,EKA D2030B Single Boom Recovery Crane-equipped Heavy Recovery Vehicle,HLK 97T:-
JINDALEE OVER THE HORIZON RADAR Transmitter and Receiver Aerial Systems.No.1 Radar Unit,Royal Australian Air Force:-
And who says over-the-horizon radar systems,and their propagation sounder systems are not musical? …From 0 to 26 seconds the Jindalee O-T-H-R is musical - it’s fascinating,then it changes mode:-
youtube.com/watch?v=wgwk_A2DPCk
SCAMMELL SUPER CONSTRUCTOR,ROLLS-ROYCE C6SFL SUPERCHARGED DIESEL-ENGINED,6x6 HEAVY HAULAGE BALLAST ROAD LOCOMOTIVE,KVN 860E.Sunter Brothers Ltd:-
SEDDON ATKINSON STRATO 4x2 CURTAINSIDER-BODIED ARTICULATED LORRY,K450 EHH,CAROL ELIZABETH.EDDIE STOBART LTD.Perkins-Rolls- Royce Diesel Engines were available in Seddon Atkinson lorries,and proved to be popular:-
MORRISONS SUPERMARKET SHREWSBURY,is on the site of the Sentinel steam lorry,etc-Rolls-Royce factory. Commemorative Sentinel displays are inside the supermarket.1,including this:-
Morrisons Supermarket Shrewsbury really ought to put a Rolls-Royce Diesel Engine on permanent display in the supermarket,to commemorate the fact that the great range of Rolls-Royce Automotive,Industrial,Marine and Rail Diesel Engines were made in the Sentinel factory on the site of Morrisons Supermarket Shrewsbury:-
ROLLS-ROYCE EAGLE DIESEL ENGINE Eagle E305,Engine No.Type 2914-157,Build No.56210.Leavesley International.VIEW 2:-
ROLLS-ROYCE EAGLE DIESEL ENGINE Eagle E305,Engine No.Type 2914-157,Build No.56210.Leavesley International.VIEW 1:-
THORNYCROFT MIGHTY ANTAR Mk3A 6x4 HEAVY HAULAGE BALLAST ROAD LOCOMOTIVE,983 FUL,Rolls-Royce diesel-engined.Royal Air Force livery.Pulling a Pickfords Heavy Haulage Lowloader Drawbar Trailer,with a boiler load:-
So to sum up:Objectively,to many lorry,motorcoach and bus operators - the majority of them in fact - it didn’t matter to them if Gardner made the best all round diesel engines,they continued to buy thoroughbred AEC,Leyland,Foden,Mercedes-Benz,Volvo,Scania,etc,motor vehicles.Likewise,many other lorry,motorcoach and bus operators bought ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ and Rolls-Royce diesel-engined motor vehicles.
BUT,to the majority of the very many Rolls-Royce - Perkins operators,it didn’t matter if,say ■■■■■■■ engines were better,they actually got great satisfaction and service out of these great ROLLS-ROYCE - PERKINS Diesel Engines!
My posts and thread on Rolls-Royce Diesel Engines state this reality.The critics have got no argument whatsoever.And the following Lawrence Dunbar statement sums up,in reality,what the majority of operators of Rolls-Royce-engined lorries,motorcoaches and buses also felt because they knew that Rolls-Royce automotive diesel-oil engines were and are great engines! :-
REPRISE:-
Lawrence Dunbar:
We liked the RRs ,
And military procurement is usually great as well!
GENERAL DYNAMICS F 111C AARDVARK,TWIN JET-ENGINED,SWING WING FIGHTER BOMBER AEROPLANE,Royal Australian Air Force.Night time exposure of spectacular fuel dump and burn - lasting two minutes - of the F 111C farewell display :-
Rolls-Royce has always been the jewel in the crown of the British Motor Industry
ROLLS-ROYCE GHOST - A MODERN GHOST MOTORCAR MODEL FRONT END SHOWING ROLLS-ROYCE RR MARQUE BADGE,RADIATOR AND SPIRIT OF ECSTASY MASCOT :-
VALKYRIE
Valkyrie, oh my dear friend, your enthusiasm knows no bounds. Your posts are really interesting, but your perception of the world that so many of us actually earned our daily bread from is so different to reality.
When you have your own cash actually invested in these monstotities, that have to make you a return on your invested capital…then your attitude towards them becomes harder.
Personally, I have had a strong involvement with Rolls Royce Diesels, both as a marketeer, and having my own, (meagre), funds invested in them, (on rather more occasions than that I would like to own up to).
As for the MOD, that grossly incompetent, blind, immature, and self serving bunch of beuracratic no hopers… their catalogue of disasterous mismanagement stands without equal. Yet they are without censure, or audit!
The take over of Rolls Royce Diesel engines, engineered by Government, by Vickers, and the eventual sale, (and substantial profit), does not add to the ethics or reputation, (if it had any), of UK management.
That Guy was, a very good company, profitable, forward looking, and possesing a loyal and willing, and adaptable workforce is without question.
That their success as an “assembler”, is again without doubt. That Guy could have performed a valuable roll within the Leyland Group is indisputable. Their involvement with the short lived AEC VT project has been alluded to in other webb sites. The authenticity of this theory I cannot comment upon.
But from my own, and statistically backed information, I can say that as a Diesel engine manufacturer for C&U regulated road haulage moto vehicle power units Rolls Royce were third in all aspects, Quality, reliability, and volume behind Gardner, and Uncle Sams ■■■■■■■ .
Sales volumes in this instance via the MOD serve only to distort the picture, as they are not based on market acceptability, but rather the artificial “propping up” of a manufacturer, for “the National good”…and have we all as tax payers being propping up these organisatons for a long, expensive, time.
Valkyrie, enjoy your posts, under whatever name you choose to use, but please, remember enthusiasm has to be based on reality!!
Cheerio for now.
Saviem:
Valkyrie, oh my dear friend, your enthusiasm knows no bounds. Your posts are really interesting, but your perception of the world that so many of us actually earned our daily bread from is so different to reality.When you have your own cash actually invested in these monstotities, that have to make you a return on your invested capital…then your attitude towards them becomes harder.
Personally, I have had a strong involvement with Rolls Royce Diesels, both as a marketeer, and having my own, (meagre), funds invested in them, (on rather more occasions than that I would like to own up to).
As for the MOD, that grossly incompetent, blind, immature, and self serving bunch of beuracratic no hopers… their catalogue of disasterous mismanagement stands without equal. Yet they are without censure, or audit!
The take over of Rolls Royce Diesel engines, engineered by Government, by Vickers, and the eventual sale, (and substantial profit), does not add to the ethics or reputation, (if it had any), of UK management.
That Guy was, a very good company, profitable, forward looking, and possesing a loyal and willing, and adaptable workforce is without question.
That their success as an “assembler”, is again without doubt. That Guy could have performed a valuable roll within the Leyland Group is indisputable. Their involvement with the short lived AEC VT project has been alluded to in other webb sites. The authenticity of this theory I cannot comment upon.
But from my own, and statistically backed information, I can say that as a Diesel engine manufacturer for C&U regulated road haulage moto vehicle power units Rolls Royce were third in all aspects, Quality, reliability, and volume behind Gardner, and Uncle Sams ■■■■■■■ .
Sales volumes in this instance via the MOD serve only to distort the picture, as they are not based on market acceptability, but rather the artificial “propping up” of a manufacturer, for “the National good”…and have we all as tax payers being propping up these organisatons for a long, expensive, time.
Valkyrie, enjoy your posts, under whatever name you choose to use, but please, remember enthusiasm has to be based on reality!!
Cheerio for now.
Hi Saviem,
I agree entirely with your post, the other thing to note is that Valkyrie seems to have put together a mismatch of a few non connected companies, that all have Rolls Royce in their names.
Showing a photo of a new Rolls Royce car, for instance neglects to point out that BMW owns Rolls Royce cars and the car was desgned mostly by them in Germany.
How I wished Rolls Royce diesel engines had lived up to the joint names of their two founders, but amongst our fleet of commercials and mixed company cars we operated a Rolls Royce Silver Shaddow from new for about 5 years. It replaced a much cheaper Mercedes S class, which was twice the car. So the reason BMW got the ownership of the car company was that their products were not up to standard, and unfortunatly it was a German company that put things right.
Carl
In the spirit of “speak as you find”, I have to say that when our local firms began to take ERFs with Rolls instead of the more usual ■■■■■■■ (you couldn’t get a Gardner unless you waited a hundred years!) I thought it was a step in the downward direction. They always seemed to have a “rattley” sound to the engine, as if they weren’t expected to last for long.
When I came to drive one of these things regularly, I found, much to my surprise, that they were, from the driver’s point of view, as good as any of the alternatives. They were pretty good on fuel, used hardly any oil and were very reliable apart from the “weak spot” of the oil pump idler gear being located by only a rather flimsy roll pin. Rolls drivers soon learned to keep one eye on the oil pressure gauge as, when the pin came loose, the engine would suffer zero oil pressure, resulting in a wrecked engine. And, of course, the driver getting the blame! It happened twice to me, luckily I spotted the gauge dropping and managed to save the motor, for which, of course, I got zero thanks!
Wow , Valkyrie, what a post, I always loved any RR engine truck I drove, never had any trouble at all, unlike those smok’in Gardners, but I’m more interested in the list Don’t know of any RR engines at Cartransport (NFC) so if they had some which chassis were they in and HW Dines only had 2 to my knowledge, one a Crusader the other a Big J full sleeper ,fuller box, pulled like a train. so it wasn’t like they were big operators of the mark.
As per usual “Saviem” is correct,in all respects,about RR Diesel engines and he is right about them being a distant third (very) behind Gardner and ■■■■■■■■■■ I have said in previous posts if it hadn’t been for the Big oil cos.,and various other large own account operators and BRS, RR wouldn’t have sold as many engines as they did,yes the odd RR chassis did appear in many private UK hauliers fleets but by no means in quantity and then only because of desperation,in the last resort, and probably at a heavily discounted price to persuade the operator to swallow “the medicine” and part with his “hard earned” from running Gardners and ■■■■■■■ 
I believe that in the late 60’s and early 70’s the cheapest 32 tonner was the Seddon 32/4 which surely only “pipped” Guy for first place and then third place would be either Foden ERF or Atkinson.In 1976 Bewick Transport inherited a RR Seddon 32/4 in a takeover and believe me ,it was the biggest,noisiest,load of crap you could imagine and I couldn’t wait to “get rid”,which we did,and replaced it with a Scania 111 Cheers Bewick.
This one is for you “dew”,it is a shot of the first motor your “hero” Chuffer got when he started at Bewick Transport in Jan '77,a brand new Gut Big J which could effortlessly cruise at 70 MPH,providing of course it was decending a grade,loaded, on the M/way,and “out of stick” at the same time 
Cheers Dennis.
Genuine 8LXB.
Dave the Renegade:
Genuine 8LXB.
Genuine 240 BADGE 
the daylight under the wheelarch says 180
Trev_H:
Dave the Renegade:
Genuine 8LXB.Genuine 240 BADGE
Ooh! you are awful Trev,but I do like you 
Dennis.
Trev_H:
Dave the Renegade:
Genuine 8LXB.Genuine 240 BADGE
No Trev it was a 240 8LXB. The original M A Evans driver of this motor owns the photo.
Cheers Dave.
Regarding the “Rolls Eagle Diesel- rubbish or not?” debate, some posters have said that the later, 1980s versions were good enough to be considered a viable ■■■■■■■ altenative. IIRC, the RR 265L was the first “high torque rise”-type engine to be offered in the UK, in 1976 or '77, preceding the ■■■■■■■ E290 by a year or so. Am I right? Was that the turning point for the Eagle- was the 265L/290L the version that made Rolls Royce the equal of its competitors, or am I talking out of my tailpipe?
I couldn’t fault the RR 265 Li, the one fitted in the Foden in my avatar did over ten years without so much as an injector change. We had a fleet of around 30 fitted with the Rolls and they were very little trouble, a lot quieter than the ■■■■■■■ we had and better on fuel as well. Most were overhauled once in their life (ten years or more) but parts were expensive for them. We also had two 220’s and compared to the Gardner 6LXB’s they were good performers, however I recall a gasket set for them being around the £500 mark back in the late 1970’s!
Pete.
The later RR 265 and 290 engines were a big improvement on earlier RR diesels for general automotive use. We had one of each at Spillers in Seddon units on long term evaluation after we had finally given up on Leyland after being a massive and loyal customer for over 30 years. I do recall as Bewick rightly says that there were good discounts being offered as an incentive to specify RR engines.