toby1234abc:
My ex boss used to run Gibraltar and the UK with Kerosene and Paraffin,he had a 30,000 litre tank in the yard,bless his cotton socks,the engines did not like it.
Iāve heard of a few people using kerosene, I canāt remember what they added to it to make a cleaner burn, but alot of Ā£Ā£Ā£ās at risk if your motor goes bang!!
I worked for a bloke who ran on kerosene if you mixed 50 50 with diesel it would be ok but he got greedy and started running on 100% kerosene and started blowing engines to bits.
I was driving down the westway one morning in an old leyland constructor looked in the mirror and there were flames coming out of the exhaust and a massive bang and oil and bits of engine everywhere. This bloke bought lorrys out of the breakers private tax and away so wasnāt a major financial disaster.
Apart from Kerosene having a much lower flashpoint than diesel it hasnāt got the lubricating properties of DERV.
The problem with kero is the highly explosive early detonation which can bend a rod or in my case split a conrod down the oilway, it wasnt my intention to run kero, just a yorkshireman sniffing out a deal rather than sniffing the fuel.
Rub some diesel between your fingers, now do the same with paraffin, the paraffin is dry, so when people cut biodiesel / chip fat with methanol and add kero, it washes any lubricity out of the mix
Wheel Nut:
so when people cut biodiesel / chip fat with methanol and add kero, it washes any lubricity out of the mix
Actually incorrect there mate, you donāt ācutā used cooking oil with methanol, methanol is mixed with a catalist (either sodium or potasium hydroxide) which when introduced to UCO at between 40 & 55 deg causes a chemical reaction called, wait for it, ātransesterificationā. This doesnāt remove any of the lubricity from the oil, it seperated the glycerine from the cooking oil which burns really slowly and even then, not completely & leaves a toffee like deposit behind.
This is the process used in the production of bio-diesel, without this the fuel your running is NOT ālegallyā bio-fuel and doesnāt earn the 20ppl duty break (discount) from HMRC.
welshboyinspain:
you canāt buy red diesel in an AS24 in france unless you have a different company card as the normal AS24 cards do not allow purchse of said diesel
if you have a fridge you need a special card and even then its very hard to get these cards
most UK hauliers will buy their red diesel in the UK before shipping out
You cant get Red Diesel in the UK with an AS24 EuroTraffic card! Its a bloody nightmare!
BuzzardBoy:
You cant get Red Diesel in the UK with an AS24 EuroTraffic card! Its a bloody nightmare!
You can, I gave got red diesel at Lympne and at Husks with an AS24 card.
I struggle like ā ā ā ā to get it anywhere North of Dartford, everywhere we try we get knocked back. We now use a Keyfuels card just for Red diesel!
there is a difference between an AS24 card and an AS24 eurotraffic card.
you can get your card authorised by the issuer but you need to prove what its for (obviously )
Wheel Nut:
so when people cut biodiesel / chip fat with methanol and add kero, it washes any lubricity out of the mix
Actually incorrect there mate, you donāt ācutā used cooking oil with methanol, methanol is mixed with a catalist (either sodium or potasium hydroxide) which when introduced to UCO at between 40 & 55 deg causes a chemical reaction called, wait for it, ātransesterificationā. This doesnāt remove any of the lubricity from the oil, it seperated the glycerine from the cooking oil which burns really slowly and even then, not completely & leaves a toffee like deposit behind.
This is the process used in the production of bio-diesel, without this the fuel your running is NOT ālegallyā bio-fuel and doesnāt earn the 20ppl duty break (discount) from HMRC.
Ross.
Thanks for that Ross, I have heard of transester, but never used or made biofuel. I stand on what I say with kerosene though
Wheel Nut:
I stand on what I say with kerosene though
& Iām right with you on that, (I understand) that to make kero safe in a diesel engine you need to introduce a lubricant to the fuel, hydraulic oil (i understand) was the norm a few years ago but to make it really safe the ammount required made the truck a little smokey!!. The way around this was to use 46 weight hydā oil rather than 30 & use less.
Wheel Nut:
I stand on what I say with kerosene though
& Iām right with you on that, (I understand) that to make kero safe in a diesel engine you need to introduce a lubricant to the fuel, hydraulic oil (i understand) was the norm a few years ago but to make it really safe the ammount required made the truck a little smokey!!. The way around this was to use 46 weight hydā oil rather than 30 & use less.
[allegedly].
Ross.
If we can make it smell like Castrol R, we will be millionaires next year
Wheel Nut:
If we can make it smell like Castrol R, we will be millionaires next year
Now yer talking, thatās a smell which always makes me go dewey eyed:) Castrol do a modern castor based semi synthetic two stroke oil called R747 which I used up to 2006 when I bought a new bike that ran unleaded race fuel, this requires an oil designed to suit to the very agressive 107 octain 20% oxygenated race fuel, rather than avgas which was ideally suited to ā747ā
Iāve heard of a few people using kerosene, I canāt remember what they added to it to make a cleaner burn, but alot of Ā£Ā£Ā£ās at risk if your motor goes bang!!
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