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I have tried to refrain from posting on this thread for a number of reasons. This is a general observation statement not aimed at either the family or the company or on who was in the wrong. I don’t see what good that will do.
It is a tragic story no doubt.
A family are grieving the loss of a loved one with the stress that goes along with that.
Death sadly costs a lot of money and many of us are not prepared for that cost should that happen even in our home country let alone a foreign country.
The family now have their loved one coming home thanks to the generosity of people on the donations page.
I don’t want to comment on who did what or why as the only people who really know that answer is the family and the people involved at the company. People can and do embellish facts when emotions are high and companies will use legal speak and solicitor prepared letters to avoid damages either financial or reputation, it happens daily probably millions of times and probably even with companies many of us work for. That is part of business sadly and anyone who thinks differently would easily be out of business in some of these situations as the financial/reputation damage can be irreparable.
There are two sides here to consider as always, the legal requirements and the moral decisions, whether the company have acted in an illegal way I do not know, whether they have acted immorally is also up for debate as everyone is entitled to an opinion. As for the legal obligations I don’t personally know what they are myself without looking into it.
The question really is does a company have any legal obligation to cover such costs in this type of scenario?
Does a company have a moral obligation to cover these costs for an employee?
Sadly in this day and age it is so easy for someone to post online and for it to start a witch hunt for whatever reason whether valid or not, this amounts to nothing more than an angry mob with pitch forks, everyone feels the right to be aggrieved and upset and will out poor emotions not even considering the impact it can have on other people.
There may well be people who work for the company that can’t just up sticks and leave their employment and to think otherwise is a little naive. People have families to provide for, mortgages or rent to pay for, luxuries to upkeep and finding a stable job is also never as easy as some may think it is, yes there will always be jobs available but many pay poor wages and are not even permanent jobs.
Jobs are very rarely for life anymore, and the amount of businesses that lay people off and make redundancies is probably about the same as it was during the last recession.
I hope people realise their actions can be affecting the family in a good way for the support, but also affecting the lives of other employees, other business associated with the company involved in a bad way, it goes a lot further than just you or I or the family versus the business. Things are never as black and white as we tend to like to think.
As I said none of this is aimed directly at either Matthews transport of the family and I am sure one or two will pick fault with what I have said here, so I will put on my flame proof coat in advance.
The main thing here is the family are getting their loved one back and the financial burden of that task has been lifted by generosity, but in the same vain there are many people in the same situation daily that have the same struggle for similar reasons that no one hears about.
I hope the family/friends of Paul can lay him to rest and be allowed to grieve. RIP Driver.
Without naming names, I’ve just removed two off-topic posts from this topic.
I’ll put it this way… The way in which somebody portrays somebody else on Facebook has no relevance to this topic in this forum.
Whatever the rights and wrongs are (and I’m not commenting one way or the other) amounts to he said, she said etc, and this topic is not for debating that subject.
My two pennies worth.
Wool has been pulled over people’s eyes here.
By who I’m not quite sure yet.
Everyone goes on about these extracts of emails yet no one will print addresses of where they have come from.
Just remember hindsight is a wonderful thing. I’m sure if Matthews are in the unfortunate same position again things will be done differently.
What would happen if an owner driver died abroad with no insurance to get him or her home and the family had no money, would the country you died in pay for the burial or cremation in that country ?
How long before this mob mentality starts to manifest in damaged trailers? I saw two Matthews units pulling our trailers which are curtain siders, how long before people start targeting Matthews units in MSAs or laybys? It wouldn’t take much to take a knife to a curtain even though it’s different from the Matthews unit pulling it.
Radar19:
How long before this mob mentality starts to manifest in damaged trailers? I saw two Matthews units pulling our trailers which are curtain siders, how long before people start targeting Matthews units in MSAs or laybys? It wouldn’t take much to take a knife to a curtain even though it’s different from the Matthews unit pulling it.
One would hope that the mentality of people would run along the lines of they are fellow lorry drivers just earning a crust. They don’t have any control of the situation. I’m sure they are just as disgusted if the actions are proven true
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sinclair89:
Radar19:
How long before this mob mentality starts to manifest in damaged trailers? I saw two Matthews units pulling our trailers which are curtain siders, how long before people start targeting Matthews units in MSAs or laybys? It wouldn’t take much to take a knife to a curtain even though it’s different from the Matthews unit pulling it.One would hope that the mentality of people would run along the lines of they are fellow lorry drivers just earning a crust. They don’t have any control of the situation. I’m sure they are just as disgusted if the actions are proven true.
Sadly though not everyone is rational, or even possibly sane… The majority of us can rationalise that whether the evidence presented is true or not, it bears no reflection upon Matthews drivers. However, there will be a minority that don’t understand this and Radar has a valid point. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the Matthews drivers suffer a backlash as a result of what has been reported. I hope they don’t, but if I was a Matthews driver I’d want eyes in the back of my head at present! 
sinclair89:
Radar19:
How long before this mob mentality starts to manifest in damaged trailers? I saw two Matthews units pulling our trailers which are curtain siders, how long before people start targeting Matthews units in MSAs or laybys? It wouldn’t take much to take a knife to a curtain even though it’s different from the Matthews unit pulling it.One would hope that the mentality of people would run along the lines of they are fellow lorry drivers just earning a crust. They don’t have any control of the situation. I’m sure they are just as disgusted if the actions are proven true
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You would hope that would be the mentality but unfortunately there are some bad eggs out there that wouldn’t think twice about cutting the sheet.
Also, it’s not just the transport industry who are outraged by this incident. There are members of the public who even think/give a ■■■■ about the driver losing a days wage whilst waiting for the sheet to be replaced.
There were hundreds of faces ache posts trying to rally people up to destroy property , damage trucks etc.
One post even said he was going to set fire to any truck he saw parked up 
His tiny brain obviously didn’t realise that an innocent driver would be inside it and likely killed… Yeah… That’s gonna help.
It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if someone does something, cos people are idiots.
I don’t know what all the fuss is about TBH, no one has mentioned stagecoach who have just fired an employee for having cancer… This whole thing has been a very well managed social media witch hunt with over reactions and untruths. No one bar Mathews and the family know the truth, and the family have been very cagey in what information they have released.
Ben9:
My two pennies worth.Wool has been pulled over people’s eyes here.
By who I’m not quite sure yet.Everyone goes on about these extracts of emails yet no one will print addresses of where they have come from.
Just remember hindsight is a wonderful thing. I’m sure if Matthews are in the unfortunate same position again things will be done differently.
Hi Ben9,
What you’ve said is exactly the whole point about TN’s hard-line stance on unverifiable content.
Just because something ‘he said she said’ is copied and pasted second-hand from elsewhere on the Internet, that doesn’t necessarily mean that any of it is true.
Then somebody saying "look, it’s right because it’s on [] so it must be right isn’t verification either.
109LWB:
There were hundreds of faces ache posts trying to rally people up to destroy property , damage trucks etc.
One post even said he was going to set fire to any truck he saw parked up
His tiny brain obviously didn’t realise that an innocent driver would be inside it and likely killed… Yeah… That’s gonna help.
It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if someone does something, cos people are idiots.I don’t know what all the fuss is about TBH, no one has mentioned stagecoach who have just fired an employee for having cancer… This whole thing has been a very well managed social media witch hunt with over reactions and untruths. No one bar Mathews and the family know the truth, and the family have been very cagey in what information they have released.
Managed by who?
I don’t know if they’ve been cagey, they’ve got other things on their mind.
Best to wait and see what comes out perhaps.
Managed by the ex Matthews employee. Does he have an axe to grind, or is he genuinely helping his friends family? The have been very cagey, only posting excerpts of the emails, failing to mention that Mathews offered to pay to fly entire family out to Italy, fabricating a story about the wife being txt by Matthews about her husbands death.
As I have said, we don’t know the truth, Matthews say one thing, she says another.
109LWB:
Managed by the ex Matthews employee. Does he have an axe to grind, or is he genuinely helping his friends family? The have been very cagey, only posting excerpts of the emails, failing to mention that Mathews offered to pay to fly entire family out to Italy, fabricating a story about the wife being txt by Matthews about her husbands death.
As I have said, we don’t know the truth, Matthews say one thing, she says another.
I agree that there is more to this story then we are being told. But let’s strip it back to the bare basics, if Matthews had of simply brought him home , no expenses spared , then none of this mess would have happened
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109LWB:
Managed by the ex Matthews employee. Does he have an axe to grind, or is he genuinely helping his friends family? The have been very cagey, only posting excerpts of the emails, failing to mention that Mathews offered to pay to fly entire family out to Italy, fabricating a story about the wife being txt by Matthews about her husbands death.
As I have said, we don’t know the truth, Matthews say one thing, she says another.
But we don’t know if it’s fabricated, yet. All they need to do is publish the source of the email and the story will be complete.
I must admit I’ve missed the bit about Matthews offering to fly the family to Italy, or is this more heshe said.