Sorry didn’t mean to post twice! !
atkiman:
Sorry didn’t mean to post twice! !
You are forgiven , We have all done it my friend 
Regards Larry.
This four wheeler Atki had a 4 LW Engine I used to go over Shap Fell with 10 ton on its back, Crawler gear on the heavey bit but it never let me down, And I allways got to my delivery point on time, This was the 1960s, Regards Larry.
Punchy Dan:
I could be wrong but 53 pages and no mention of the 5 lxct ?
Very few were made, single figures. The 5LXCT was aimed at the urban passenger vehicle market but only one operator showed any interest. It was at the time when Gardner was in its final days as an engine producer. There is (or was) one 5LXCT exhibition engine on the show circuit
Thanks to all the folks who made kind comments on the 8LW in my tug the Brodsworth, and an apology for posting this on a lorry forum but some folk may be interested.
The engine came my way when I visited a showmans yard in Gloucester. I had gone there to buy another Gardner, (2L2) the 8 was sitting in the middle of a muddy yard with everyone driving around it like a roundabout it was exposed to the weather and looked in a poor state but I had never seen another gardner like it and set out to try to buy it. It took a few months but they eventually decided to sell it. It was a long re-build process and at the time I had no use for it. Years l;ater I took it to a Gardner show and someone showed me a black and white photo of an old Foden ballast tractor and told me my engine came out of it. I think he was correct the engine is 1955.
The tug is what was known as a tom pudding tug, they hauled trains of pans about as big as a 20ft container the usual tow was 19 pans each carrying about 40 tons, they worked from all the Yorkshire collierys to Goole docks where they were lifted bodily out of the water and tipped into coasters for export, (yes we were exporting coal then not importing it) There were about 7 of these tugs and they were all named after pits, they all still exist. Original engine was Lister Blackstone 3 cyl 125hp @ 750RPM 6ft 6inch draft 48ft long 15 ft wide 5inch diameter shaft 5ft 6inch diameter 4 blade steel prop total displacement about 70tons The engine makes an awesome sound from the vertical stack
I have posted a pic thanks Dan
Lawrence Dunbar:
0This four wheeler Atki had a 4 LW Engine I used to go over Shap Fell with 10 ton on its back, Crawler gear on the heavey bit but it never let me down, And I allways got to my delivery point on time, This was the 1960s, Regards Larry.
Larry that’s a great old pic mate. I too for a short time drove a 4 wheeler ERF with a 4 LW we did Glasgow trunk from Castleford over Stainmore for Saville transport I think it was a KV cab with an oval rad grill it was bloody slow about 33 flat out, the engine was indestructible. The drivers all called them pop pops because you could count the detonations as they laboured up hills.
gingerfold:
Punchy Dan:
I could be wrong but 53 pages and no mention of the 5 lxct ?Very few were made, single figures. The 5LXCT was aimed at the urban passenger vehicle market but only one operator showed any interest. It was at the time when Gardner was in its final days as an engine producer. There is (or was) one 5LXCT exhibition engine on the show circuit
A pal of mine Rob Knowles has one of these set up as a show engine, like you say it was pretty much a failure for Gardners and very few were made
I am guessing that your tug is too large to attend the Gardner rally at Buxworth each year Maddan? Never made it there myself either as it clashes with another event.
Pete.
"maddan:
The tug is what was known as a tom pudding tug, they hauled trains of pans about as big as a 20ft container the usual tow was 19 pans each carrying about 40 tons, they worked from all the Yorkshire collierys to Goole docks where they were lifted bodily out of the water and tipped into coasters for export, (yes we were exporting coal then not importing it) There were about 7 of these tugs and they were all named after pits, they all still exist.Dan, I have sent you an email.
windrush:
I am guessing that your tug is too large to attend the Gardner rally at Buxworth each year Maddan? Never made it there myself either as it clashes with another event.Yes Pete I have attended a few of the Gardner rally’s it moves around to different locations I usually take an engine on a trailer I took the 8LW one year before it went into the tug. thanks Dan
Pete.
atkiman:
Lots of interesting views on this thread, having driven gardners ■■■■■■■ and detroit s i have found yes gardners are slow and bloody cold but good on juice and generally long lasting, ■■■■■■■ went like stink not so good on fuel but cheaper, and v8 detroit in our bedford tm wouldn’t pull (even at high revs)and was a lot heavier 5/6 mpg than the others. don’t know the rebuild prices of dd cos we never had it long enough. The tm had the best heater than the s/a 401 erf b and c series but my dad put that down to the fact that wagon builders who built cars eg ford bedford always had better heaters than those who didn’t erf atkinson foden
If “Carryfast” happens onto this post I don’t give much for your chances “atkiman” of avoiding verbal abuse, unless of course “Nursie” can get to him first and administer an emergency dose of horse tranquilizer before he hits the key board !! Cheers Bewick.
CF is still heavily involved in getting us out of the EU Dennis so you may be safe for a few months yet!
Pete.
Bewick:
atkiman:
Lots of interesting views on this thread, having driven gardners ■■■■■■■ and detroit s i have found yes gardners are slow and bloody cold but good on juice and generally long lasting, ■■■■■■■ went like stink not so good on fuel but cheaper, and v8 detroit in our bedford tm wouldn’t pull (even at high revs)and was a lot heavier 5/6 mpg than the others. don’t know the rebuild prices of dd cos we never had it long enough. The tm had the best heater than the s/a 401 erf b and c series but my dad put that down to the fact that wagon builders who built cars eg ford bedford always had better heaters than those who didn’t erf atkinson fodenIf “Carryfast” happens onto this post I don’t give much for your chances “atkiman” of avoiding verbal abuse, unless of course “Nursie” can get to him first and administer an emergency dose of horse tranquilizer before he hits the key board !! Cheers Bbewick.
Dennis, I think this photo of this Gardner 8 LW In prestine condition might give him a real shock to his silly & stupid attitude towards Lewis Gardners Engineering Qualiteys of how to develop the high quality engines that he did, There must be many of these still powering many boats around the world, Regards Larry.
windrush:
CF is still heavily involved in getting us out of the EU Dennis so you may be safe for a few months yet!Pete.
Well that’s a “■■■■■■■ Pete if “CF” is the fron’t man of the OUT campaign we’re ■■■■■■ Mate and we’ll still be in the EU when Armageddon arrives eh! Oh! ■■■■ it I’m off into the wood to hang me’sel ! Over and out ! Dennis.
Lawrence Dunbar:
Bewick:
atkiman:
Lots of interesting views on this thread, having driven gardners ■■■■■■■ and detroit s i have found yes gardners are slow and bloody cold but good on juice and generally long lasting, ■■■■■■■ went like stink not so good on fuel but cheaper, and v8 detroit in our bedford tm wouldn’t pull (even at high revs)and was a lot heavier 5/6 mpg than the others. don’t know the rebuild prices of dd cos we never had it long enough. The tm had the best heater than the s/a 401 erf b and c series but my dad put that down to the fact that wagon builders who built cars eg ford bedford always had better heaters than those who didn’t erf atkinson fodenIf “Carryfast” happens onto this post I don’t give much for your chances “atkiman” of avoiding verbal abuse, unless of course “Nursie” can get to him first and administer an emergency dose of horse tranquilizer before he hits the key board !! Cheers Bbewick.
Dennis, I think this photo of this Gardner 8 LW In prestine condition might give him a real shock to his silly & stupid attitude towards Lewis Gardners Engineering Qualiteys of how to develop the high quality engines that he did, There must be many of these still powering many boats around the world, Regards Larry.
I believe there are still many many many Gardners powering junks and the like in the Far East Larry,I know as I’ve seen a few in Hong Kong during my visits there, let the Wife go shopping and I go down to the waterfront for the crack with the Lads and always out comes the case of Lager and they insist you join them at break times for two or three hic hic ! No H&S there only open toed sandels and paper hats 
Good craic though ! Cheers Dennis.
hi Dennis, he’ll probably say I wasn’t driving the dd properly or something .the best noise it made was when the new owner drove it out the yard
Bewick:
Lawrence Dunbar:
Bewick:
atkiman:
Lots of interesting views on this thread, having driven gardners ■■■■■■■ and detroit s i have found yes gardners are slow and bloody cold but good on juice and generally long lasting, ■■■■■■■ went like stink not so good on fuel but cheaper, and v8 detroit in our bedford tm wouldn’t pull (even at high revs)and was a lot heavier 5/6 mpg than the others. don’t know the rebuild prices of dd cos we never had it long enough. The tm had the best heater than the s/a 401 erf b and c series but my dad put that down to the fact that wagon builders who built cars eg ford bedford always had better heaters than those who didn’t erf atkinson fodenIf “Carryfast” happens onto this post I don’t give much for your chances “atkiman” of avoiding verbal abuse, unless of course “Nursie” can get to him first and administer an emergency dose of horse tranquilizer before he hits the key board !! Cheers Bbewick.
Dennis, I think this photo of this Gardner 8 LW In prestine condition might give him a real shock to his silly & stupid attitude towards Lewis Gardners Engineering Qualiteys of how to develop the high quality engines that he did, There must be many of these still powering many boats around the world, Regards Larry.
I believe there are still many many many Gardners powering junks and the like in the Far East Larry,I know as I’ve seen a few in Hong Kong during my visits there, let the Wife go shopping and I go down to the waterfront for the crack with the Lads and always out comes the case of Lager and they insist you join them at break times for two or three hic hic ! No H&S there only open toed sandels and paper hats
Deniss, CF Is a dreamer IMO He never drove the motors that you and I drove, So If he is off this thread (GOOD) Regards Larry
atkiman:
hi Dennis, he’ll probably say I wasn’t driving the dd properly or something .the best noise it made was when the new owner drove it out the yard
To be fair in its homeland anyone with any sense knew that the 8v71 let alone 6v71 was over its limits in a max weight artic and went better in buses or 6 wheeler rigids.In which case it isn’t their fault that the Brits couldn’t get their heads around the idea of using the fairer comparison of a 12v71 or 8v92 T.
As for Gardner absolutely the best place for it was in a slow boat in China although some say that even there it made a better anchor than an engine. 
What make of lorry fitted with a 6 lxdt had the gear stick mounted on the engine ?