Bewick, back in the mists of time when you were starting out on your odyssey, you started out with a Thames Trader, then a D1000, then IIRC a couple of Mastiffs before moving up to the big stuff. So what were the reasons behind your choice of lorry Why did you go for the Gardner option I recollect that you were quite fond of the 180/220 ■■■■■■■■ how come you never standardised on that option Was the Gardner powered Atki really the lorry of dreams
It would be interesting to hear the reasons behind your Gardner purchases
It will be even more interesting to hear Carryfast’s reasons why you were wrong too…No really, it will…Honest
The only thing I remember about Gardners was going to Scotland with a blanket round my legs, the front grille blanked off with cardboard and the temp gauge still on the bottom stop. I thanked god they got moved on to another job and I had to suffer a second hand Guy with a 290 ■■■■■■■ which had a warm heater, went up every hill in top gear and I was never brave enough to find out the top speed !
Could never see the fascination with Gardners but then I never bought the fuel !
newmercman:
Bewick, back in the mists of time when you were starting out on your odessey, you started out with a Thames Trader, then a D1000, then IIRC a couple of Mastiffs before moving up to the big stuff. So what were the reasons behind your choice of lorry Why did you go for the Gardner option I recollect that you were quite fond of the 180/220 ■■■■■■■■ how come you never standardised on that option Was the Gardner powered Atki really the lorry of dreams
It would be interesting to hear the reasons behind your Gardner purchases
It will be even more interesting to hear Carryfast’s reasins why you were wrong too…No really, it will…Honest
He said some while back, that the Cu220 was bought because he could not get hold of Gardner 180s (Forgive me if my memory has deserted me, but a lot of sewage has flowed under the bridge since then).
newmercman:
Bewick, back in the mists of time when you were starting out on your Odyssey, you started out with a Thames Trader, then a D1000, then IIRC a couple of Mastiffs before moving up to the big stuff. So what were the reasons behind your choice of lorry Why did you go for the Gardner option I recollect that you were quite fond of the 180/220 ■■■■■■■■ how come you never standardised on that option Was the Gardner powered Atki really the lorry of dreams
It would be interesting to hear the reasons behind your Gardner purchases
It will be even more interesting to hear Carryfast’s reasons why you were wrong too…No really, it will…Honest
He said some while back, that the Cu220 was bought because he could not get hold of Gardner 180s (Forgive me if my memory has deserted me, but a lot of sewage has flowed under the bridge since then).
A bit of repetition never hurt anyone…just ask Carryfast
newmercman:
Bewick, back in the mists of time when you were starting out on your odyssey, you started out with a Thames Trader, then a D1000, then IIRC a couple of Mastiffs before moving up to the big stuff. So what were the reasons behind your choice of lorry Why did you go for the Gardner option I recollect that you were quite fond of the 180/220 ■■■■■■■■ how come you never standardised on that option Was the Gardner powered Atki really the lorry of dreams
It would be interesting to hear the reasons behind your Gardner purchases
It will be even more interesting to hear Carryfast’s reasons why you were wrong too…No really, it will…Honest
If Bewick had ordered those 401’s with that 350 + ■■■■■■■ and a 13 speed fuller in them I’d bet that he’d have had more of an argument on his hands,about who was going to drive them,than anything that’s happened on here.
In 1971,a little haulier running a tidy little fleet but consisting of the “cheaper” end of the market motors had no chance of getting hold of a Gardner engined chassis.Well not at the time it was wanted,the well established old hauliers got first chance and if there was a Gardner chassis that just happened not to be “spoken for” came available,well if you were in the right place at the right time “bingo”.But that was the state of the market in those days,it was all right a slimy salesman saying “you can order one” but don’t hold your breath on delivery timescale!! Well I couldn’t operate on under those conditions,and as I had had first class service from the D1000 V8 ■■■■■■■ I thought that the 14 litre 205 ■■■■■■■ should be a fair bet,which it was,as was the 220 that followed it.I did buy some seconhand Gardner engined Guy Big J’s in '75 and then at the end of '75 I bought our first new 180LXB ERF,which actually wasn’t the one I thought I’d bought ( Suttons had “leaned” on the Dealer and got the one I had “bought”) However,I believe I got the better specc’d chassis at the end of the day! From 1976 onwards Gardner engined chassis flowed into Bewick Transport in the form of new 180LXB Big J’s,Sed/Atks ( 6LXB’s & 8LXB’s)and ERF’s ( 8LXB’s).I’d stopped buying ■■■■■■■ with the final two Borderers joining the fleet in late '75.Hope this explanation is of interest ! Cheers Bewick.
Bewick just to show that I’m not as daft as you might think I just might have preferred one of those 401’s even with that Gardner boat anchor under the cab than the KM or even a 6V71 powered TM.
newmercman:
Bewick, back in the mists of time when you were starting out on your odyssey, you started out with a Thames Trader, then a D1000, then IIRC a couple of Mastiffs before moving up to the big stuff. So what were the reasons behind your choice of lorry Why did you go for the Gardner option I recollect that you were quite fond of the 180/220 ■■■■■■■■ how come you never standardised on that option Was the Gardner powered Atki really the lorry of dreams
It would be interesting to hear the reasons behind your Gardner purchases
It will be even more interesting to hear Carryfast’s reasons why you were wrong too…No really, it will…Honest
If Bewick had ordered those 401’s with that 350 + ■■■■■■■ and a 13 speed fuller in them I’d bet that he’d have had more of an argument on his hands,about who was going to drive them,than anything that’s happened on here.
Wishful thinking “CF” !! Could you actually spec a 350 ■■■■■■■ in a Sed/Atk ? Or are you just flying a "barrage balloon"to set the thread alight again,Ooooooooo You are a one “CF” However,your very valued,always well crafted,opinion is always very welcome although not in all quarters on the site by those who are always very sceptical of your “lectures”!! The mods should weed out those who are none believers shouldn’t they “CF” ? Yer sling the ■■■■■■■■ off !! Cheers Bewick.
newmercman:
Bewick, back in the mists of time when you were starting out on your odyssey, you started out with a Thames Trader, then a D1000, then IIRC a couple of Mastiffs before moving up to the big stuff. So what were the reasons behind your choice of lorry Why did you go for the Gardner option I recollect that you were quite fond of the 180/220 ■■■■■■■■ how come you never standardised on that option Was the Gardner powered Atki really the lorry of dreams
It would be interesting to hear the reasons behind your Gardner purchases
It will be even more interesting to hear Carryfast’s reasons why you were wrong too…No really, it will…Honest
If Bewick had ordered those 401’s with that 350 + ■■■■■■■ and a 13 speed fuller in them I’d bet that he’d have had more of an argument on his hands,about who was going to drive them,than anything that’s happened on here.
Wishful thinking “CF” !! Could you actually spec a 350 ■■■■■■■ in a Sed/Atk ? Or are you just flying a “barrage balloon”
It’s probably more a question were SA ever asked to fit them in sufficient numbers to have made that spec a viable option in the brochure.Although having said that I think from memory that most types of the 14 Litre ■■■■■■■ would have been available by then in most of the British products .As nmm has said previously the 320 ■■■■■■■ was available in at least the Leyland T45.
Carryfast:
Bewick just to show that I’m not as daft as you might think I just might have preferred one of those 401’s even with that Gardner boat anchor under the cab than the KM or even a 6V71 powered TM.
I would never for a moment suggest that you are a daft ■■■■ “CF”!! perish the thought!! Technically and academically speaking you are the most informative member on the site,and it’s just plain jealously on the part of your detractors !! And I’m not one of “those people” I’ll hasten to add! If I keep this Bollox up for a suitable length of time,do you think I’ll be rehabilitated eventually ■■ Cheers Bewick.
newmercman:
Bewick, back in the mists of time when you were starting out on your odyssey, you started out with a Thames Trader, then a D1000, then IIRC a couple of Mastiffs before moving up to the big stuff. So what were the reasons behind your choice of lorry Why did you go for the Gardner option I recollect that you were quite fond of the 180/220 ■■■■■■■■ how come you never standardised on that option Was the Gardner powered Atki really the lorry of dreams
It would be interesting to hear the reasons behind your Gardner purchases
It will be even more interesting to hear Carryfast’s reasons why you were wrong too…No really, it will…Honest
If Bewick had ordered those 401’s with that 350 + ■■■■■■■ and a 13 speed fuller in them I’d bet that he’d have had more of an argument on his hands,about who was going to drive them,than anything that’s happened on here.
Wishful thinking “CF” !! Could you actually spec a 350 ■■■■■■■ in a Sed/Atk ? Or are you just flying a “barrage balloon”
It’s probably more a question were SA ever asked to fit them in sufficient numbers to have made that spec a viable option in the brochure.Although having said that I think from memory that most types of the 14 Litre ■■■■■■■ would have been available by then in most of the British products .As nmm has said previously the 320 ■■■■■■■ was available in at least the Leyland T45.
I don’t think the 320 ■■■■■■■ was available until well in to the 80s in most chasis.
kr 79, he may wear a Russian hat, but he is right!! 290s were the fare of the time…CF Dear boy, politics would be your forte, leave the lorries to those who know!! Cheerio my friends.
Saviem:
kr 79, he may wear a Russian hat, but he is right!! 290s were the fare of the time…CF Dear boy, politics would be your forte, leave the lorries to those who know!! Cheerio my friends.
Have English Defence League any safe seats that he could parachuted into?,or maybe he will want to join Boris in the next administration,as long as he isn’t given the Transport Portfolio that is !!! Cheers Bewick.
For a nice Cradley Heath “Black Pudding”, who built the cab on that 8x4■■? Cheerio for now.
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I’m going to guess: Paul & van Weelde.
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Evening all, boring is it not, getting back to lorries!!
[ZB], well you could be right, Paul en Van Welde,Nieuwerkenaand, IJessel, (better known as Roset, specialists in Alloy bodywork, did a lot of cabs for European Macks.
But I would favour Van Eck, (Trigt of Gravenzande), or perhaps my number one option would be Rondaan!!!
Maybe we should share the “Black Pudding”, and I will provide the eggs to go with it!!! Interesting area the “low countries” is it not!!
But that Foden …she had a Gardner, the worlds best oil engine by far!! Cheerio for now.
Poor you CF all this Flak again much to my dismay i m going to side with you, i never worked for the cloth cap leather belt clog brigade until me ant bros set up on our own we had worked for forward thinking employers who would nt have a Gardner int fleet, went ■■■■■■■ it troad about 1966 that was death knell fort Gardner ant rest, shove yer wood and plastic cab int bin lets try some oft furriners bloody ell George we ll save a fortune on motors runnin altnight not to mention bus drivers ovicoats ha ha Crow.
Saviem:
Evening all, boring is it not, getting back to lorries!!
[ZB], well you could be right, Paul en Van Welde,Nieuwerkenaand, IJessel, (better known as Roset, specialists in Alloy bodywork, did a lot of cabs for European Macks.
But I would favour Van Eck, (Trigt of Gravenzande), or perhaps my number one option would be Rondaan!!!
Maybe we should share the “Black Pudding”, and I will provide the eggs to go with it!!! Interesting area the “low countries” is it not!!
But that Foden …she had a Gardner, the worlds best oil engine by far!! Cheerio for now.
I was only guessing! Van Eck rings a bell… BLB ran a piece about a lorry similar to this at the Brussels show in 1957(?), and I think one of the comments below identified the coachbuilder. I cannot find any of this, because BLB’s search engine is crap. I have the photo, though:
Saviem:
kr 79, he may wear a Russian hat, but he is right!! 290s were the fare of the time…CF Dear boy, politics would be your forte, leave the lorries to those who know!! Cheerio my friends.
Blimey Saviem I thought that at least you’d have known that I was talking about ‘what was available’ not what most of the British ■■■■■■■ buyers would buy at the time.The 350 Big Cam 1 was available from the mid 1970’s and Big Cam 2 from 1979 both available in 350 + rating and the SA’s we’re referring to were 1984 reg which is also more or less about the year that nmm was referring to concerning the 320 powered T45 if I’ve read it and remembered the post right.
geoffthecrowtaylor:
Poor you CF all this Flak again much to my dismay i m going to side with you, i never worked for the cloth cap leather belt clog brigade until me ant bros set up on our own we had worked for forward thinking employers who would nt have a Gardner int fleet, went ■■■■■■■ it troad about 1966 that was death knell fort Gardner ant rest, shove yer wood and plastic cab int bin lets try some oft furriners bloody ell George we ll save a fortune on motors runnin altnight not to mention bus drivers ovicoats ha ha Crow.
Aye lad and some say that there’s some oop north still using Gardner powered wagons to this day.Which just shows how good the things really must have been.Although they also say they only run everywhere empty now to help them to keep up with t’ traffic and not hold up the farmers trying to get their work done with their tractors.
I can remember working at Richard Reads when a new A series 6lxb tractor was put on the fleet.Even had a two speed axle!!! It should have gone to Showerings after being in the show at Earls Court.The drivers almost came to blows about who was getting it.
Saviem:
kr 79, he may wear a Russian hat, but he is right!! 290s were the fare of the time…CF Dear boy, politics would be your forte, leave the lorries to those who know!! Cheerio my friends.
Blimey Saviem I thought that at least you’d have known that I was talking about ‘what was available’ not what most of the British ■■■■■■■ buyers would buy at the time.The 350 Big Cam 1 was available from the mid 1970’s and Big Cam 2 from 1979 both available in 350 + rating and the SA’s we’re referring to were 1984 reg which is also more or less about the year that nmm was referring to concerning the 320 powered T45 if I’ve read it and remembered the post right.
As I said most truck builders didn’t offer it until well in to the 80s foden probally would as they offered quite a bespoke service if you wanted I know there was a 400 ■■■■■■■ built in the early 80s and was on the first cover of truck and driver. Ford offered the 350 early on I’m sure leyland didn’t offer the roadtrain with ■■■■■■■ until the mid 80s as the earlier models had the tl12 engine.
Why did you go for the Gardner option 
