Hi guys and gals
Just want to confirm if i am ok driving down to Meaux tonight, got a load of frozen bread on so will i be ok 
For info,Meaux is just East of Paris
As far as I know, only perishable loads can travel.
Regards,
Nick.
24 pallets of frozen & 2 pallets of chill on the rear end - “but it is a perishable load!” 
Thats what i thought…thanks guys
Unfortunately i only have a single temp trailer…its annoying as i only have 4 pallets on board 
BTW, that was 2 pallets of chill whether they were needed or not!
I’m fairly sure the gaffer has even taken them at no charge to the client, just to be sure there was some perishable on board!
marcustandy:
BTW, that was 2 pallets of chill whether they were needed or not!I’m fairly sure the gaffer has even taken them at no charge to the client, just to be sure there was some perishable on board!
Makes sense if you want to be there early doors and don’t want to get up at stupid o clock to do it, or if you need to start on a clean card when tipped 
Interestingly i found this
Permanent exemptions
Permanent exemptions, not requiring special authorisation,
are granted under certain conditions, for the transportation of:
55l ivestock, perishable products or foodstuffs(see
appendix I of the order of 11 July 2011, on bisonfute.
gouv.fr Transporters’ info);
55beet pulps, during the beet campaign period;
55 agricultural produce, during the harvest period (products
cultivated on farmland, including cereals and straw);
55 press titles;
55industrial gamma radiography equipment;
55trucked air freight;
55fireworks;
55 gaseous hydrocarbons in a liquefied mixture or
petroleum products destined for the holding of properly
authorised sports competitions;
55 medical gases, hospital waste, linen and goods
necessary for the functioning of public or private
healthcare establishments;
55 transportation linked to the assembly and dismantling
of installations used for economic, sporting, cultural,
educational or political events organised in accordance
with the laws and regulations in force;
55 transportation linked to office or factory removals in
urban areas;
55 transportation linked to itinerant trading, selling products
at fairs or markets.
Highlighted in red it just says foodstuffs
you’ll be ok, the ban ends tonight.
limeyphil:
you’ll be ok, the ban ends tonight.
yeah yeah…but not before i get off the train it wont 
RIPPER:
Interestingly i found thisHighlighted in red it just says foodstuffs
No, it says “perishable products or foodstuffs”.
Tins of beans are “foodstuffs” but you would find it hard to convince
a gendarme, or anyone else, that they were perishable.
Nice try 
Regards,
Nick.
ncooper:
RIPPER:
Interestingly i found thisHighlighted in red it just says foodstuffs
No, it says “perishable products or foodstuffs”.
Tins of beans are “foodstuffs” but you would find it hard to convince
a gendarme, or anyone else, that they were perishable.Nice try
Regards,
Nick.
So frozen bread aint perishable■■?
Would be no good if it defrosted
RIPPER:
So frozen bread aint perishable■■?
Would be no good if it defrosted
Frozen anything isn’t perishable, that’s why its frozen, to stop it perishing.
You could turn the fridge off, then it would be fresh bread and you could run.
The customer might be a little disappointed.
Regards,
Nick.
Never did understand the perishable rules…i mean why let a fridge run, when the idea of a fridge is to keep the temperature of the goods at that temperature, it was especially crazy when loading tilts with oranges from spain, and we couldnt run ( officially ) but a fridge could…mad or what.
truckyboy:
Never did understand the perishable rules…i mean why let a fridge run, when the idea of a fridge is to keep the temperature of the goods at that temperature, it was especially crazy when loading tilts with oranges from spain, and we couldnt run ( officially ) but a fridge could…mad or what.
In the case of cucumbers, peppers, tomatoes and aubergines which I used to bring from Spain, the produce, once cut, has a very limited life and is
very temperature sensitive.
Without a fridge, none of it would have survived the three day return trip and all of it would have been unsaleable.
Even in a fridge, an extra delay of 24 hours could tip the balance between class 1 and class 2 produce, vastly reducing the price.
There are plenty of fridges that run through the ban with cargoes that aren’t really perishable, ie an extra day won’t make any difference, but
that’s a risk the driver is at liberty to take.
I had my load checked several times by the French customs, though they never said whether they were checking what it was against the CMR or looking for stuff
that shouldn’t have been there.
Milk tankers and live animal cargoes can also run but I didn’t used to see much else moving on a Sunday.
Regards,
Nick.
ncooper:
Milk tankers and live animal cargoes can also run but I didn’t used to see much else moving on a Sunday.Regards,
Nick.
Don’t forget post and newspapers too, Nick
Never been stopped yet, on a Sunday in France, Italy ,Germany,Be careful in northern Spain tho, i,ve been on fridges for 35 years plus vat. 
Once loaded garden tractors in Austria and ran Sunday with fridge running + 10 ,nae bother.
it’s not expensive if you get caught.
if the boss is willing to cover it, then just go for it.
maybe not with a flatbed though.
truckyboy:
Never did understand the perishable rules…i mean why let a fridge run, when the idea of a fridge is to keep the temperature of the goods at that temperature, it was especially crazy when loading tilts with oranges from spain, and we couldnt run ( officially ) but a fridge could…mad or what.
This doesn’t make sense at all
In the days when you were allowed to load foodstuffs in non refrigerated trailers, you could run through France on a Sunday if you were going home The restrictions on Sunday running never existed in Spain at all (except the goofy holiday bans) and perishables are perishables, doesn’t matter what type of trailer they’re in 
Knowing how the French are with their bread, it would be a hard nosed copper who is going to take you off the road, just chuck a couple of packets of Pain Chocolat in the back, and keep a packet in the cab, offer the coppers one and I bet you are on your way faster than you can say baguette!
ncooper:
RIPPER:
Interestingly i found thisHighlighted in red it just says foodstuffs
No, it says “perishable products or foodstuffs”.
Tins of beans are “foodstuffs” but you would find it hard to convince
a gendarme, or anyone else, that they were perishable.Nice try
Regards,
Nick.
Both wrong. It does not just say foodstuffs.
It says - 55 livestock, perishable goods or foodstuffs (see appendix I of the order 11 July 2011 on http://www.bisonflute.gouv.fr transporters info)
Now that link doesn’t work, so you’ll have to find it yourself (unless it’s a bad copy-over and the link in the original document did work).
I would expect appendix I to be a list of perishables and foodstuffs to which the ban does not apply. You then read down the list to see if the particular perishable goods or foodstuffs you are carrying is there. Deep frozen bread probably isn’t, because it’s frozen, so isn’t perishing. The goods will be expected to be frozen when they arrive, to be thawed under controlled conditions.
(It may be perishing cold in the back of your reefer, but that doesn’t count )