Four people dead in Bath after truck incident [Merged]

nodding donkey:
Well, having seen the ‘driving’ skills and ‘road craft’ of the average tipper driver around those there parts, I dont hold a high opinion of most of them. And I can just imagine a 19 year old, new in this business, trying to keep up with that.
I once did some agency work for another Wiltshire tipper operator. … On the way back to base at the end of the day, three of the bellend jockeys decided that driving three abreast down the M4, slowing down to annoy the traffic, was hilarious.

Was it a firm whose name is also a religious building?

What’s the rest of the story with this 28 year old we hear about on the news? :confused:

Winseer:
What’s the rest of the story with this 28 year old we hear about on the news? :confused:

I think the 28 year old who’s been arrested is the owner of the company the driver works for, I think he was in a car on the same road at the time of the accident.

The-Snowman:
Does anyone remember this thread was started because 4 people,one of them a 4 yr old girl, died? Its turned into 12 pages of crap from a debate about brakes and braking systems and now its turned into an argument.

Go back and look at your contributions to this thread Snowman; you are the primary antagonist.

weeto:
So, what advice would you be giving this driver on this hill decent?
http://youtu.be/BjmqRaKc9CQ

Downshift it by at least two gears while he’s got the chance at 0.01-0.05.Meanwhile the concrete mixer driver is showing how it should be done. :unamused:

The company is licensed to use five vehicles and is run by Matthew Gordon, 28.

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Carryfast:

weeto:
So, what advice would you be giving this driver on this hill decent?
http://youtu.be/BjmqRaKc9CQ

Downshift it by at least two gears while he’s got the chance at 0.01-0.05 :unamused:

What about after 0:40?

I can’t see the truck being over-loaded if its come out of a quarry. Maybe 300-400kg but what difference would that make in this incident? Nothing.

The media have decided whats happened here. Young driver, just passed his test, jack the lad racing his mate, down a weight/width limit, overloaded, near a school, murders innocent 4 bystanders. It fits the general ‘DANGEROUS JUGGERNAUT’ agenda almost perfectly.

Btw, just passing his Class1 is a good thing surely? Unlike 99.9% of drivers, he’s recently received relevant training!

Why the gross negligence ? He used the horn to warn people, and didn’t wake up that
morning intending to mow everyone down on purpose.

weeto:

Carryfast:

weeto:
So, what advice would you be giving this driver on this hill decent?
http://youtu.be/BjmqRaKc9CQ

Downshift it by at least two gears while he’s got the chance at 0.01-0.05 :unamused:

What about after 0:40?

I’m assuming you mean 0.04.Why would I want to advise the driver to leave something later that needs to be done sooner rather than later. :unamused:

Meanwhile as I said the concrete mixer driver has obviously learn’t to drive on the basis of gears to slow brakes to stop and that’s the example that new drivers need to follow.

hammer:
I can’t see the truck being over-loaded if its come out of a quarry. Maybe 300-400kg but what difference would that make in this incident? Nothing.

The media have decided whats happened here. Young driver, just passed his test, jack the lad racing his mate, down a weight/width limit, overloaded, near a school, murders innocent 4 bystanders. It fits the general ‘DANGEROUS JUGGERNAUT’ agenda almost perfectly.

Btw, just passing his Class1 is a good thing surely? Unlike 99.9% of drivers, he’s recently received relevant training!

Or possibly zb training based on the doctrine of brakes to slow and now possibly the establishment have put the diversionary scapegoat tactics into full operation. :bulb:

chicane:

Gembo:
Please correct me if wrong but would the arrests not just be a matter of routine with something this serious?
Or is it because the police have a lot of evidence against the pair already?

That would be my understanding, it allows the police to interview them ‘under caution’

I would have thought that if the truck was back on the road then that would mean it has even more recently passed inspection…or have I missed something

Interview “under caution” can easily be carried out without arrest.

Roymondo:

chicane:

Gembo:
Please correct me if wrong but would the arrests not just be a matter of routine with something this serious?
Or is it because the police have a lot of evidence against the pair already?

That would be my understanding, it allows the police to interview them ‘under caution’

I would have thought that if the truck was back on the road then that would mean it has even more recently passed inspection…or have I missed something

Interview “under caution” can easily be carried out without arrest.

At either point sadly the driver needs some expert ( expensive ) legal representation with an appointed expert witness given full involvement in the vehicle investigating process.While it is equally obvious he won’t get it. :frowning:

windrush:
Unless you have an extremely slick changing gearbox (and I have no experience of synchromesh truck boxes so I may well be wrong) I doubt you have a hope in hell of getting down a gear or two once it gains momentum, and if you try doing it and miss then you really are in [zb] street as any control you may have had suddenly vanishes completely. As soon as you depress the clutch the truck will gain several miles per hour.
I took my test on an empty eight wheeler and had a shock when I had charge of a laden one, everything was different! An even bigger shock came many years later when I took a part laden bitumen tanker for its mot test, I came to a slight downhill junction and braked for a HALT sign only to find that just as I stopped the liquid shot forward and I ended up halfway across the junction! If anything had been coming there would have been disaster, the regular driver was sitting beside me and just laughed but I wish he had warned me about what was likely to happen. Point is that I had been driving trucks for several years yet still got caught out, not having tanker experience, and many of us will have had ‘Brown Trouser’ moments and got away with it but this poor chap, wether through his fault or not, did not.

Pete.

Good post (I tried and failed with the getting down the gear thing) Wasn’t a pretty result. This was 1985 I was trained by a first class instructor, granted all empty, Luckily I was in the middle of nowhere and walked away with stitches and no-one else involved.

Carryfast:

hammer:
I can’t see the truck being over-loaded if its come out of a quarry. Maybe 300-400kg but what difference would that make in this incident? Nothing.

The media have decided whats happened here. Young driver, just passed his test, jack the lad racing his mate, down a weight/width limit, overloaded, near a school, murders innocent 4 bystanders. It fits the general ‘DANGEROUS JUGGERNAUT’ agenda almost perfectly.

Btw, just passing his Class1 is a good thing surely? Unlike 99.9% of drivers, he’s recently received relevant training!

Or possibly zb training based on the doctrine of brakes to slow and now possibly the establishment have put the diversionary scapegoat tactics into full operation. :bulb:

Hammer, I haven’t seen anything from the media saying. They believe the 2 men were racing.

After the incident the dvsa and the police went into the company premisises to check the records kept by the company. No doubt both maintenance and drive hours records have examined, they’ve now arrested both men, one the driver the other the company owner. No doubt to get on record answers to questions arising from the incident and subsequent investigation.

Carryfast. we don’t know what happened, why the brakes failed, or if it was a manual or auto, but you’ve gone on about this for pages without any knowledge of the actual incident or any knowledge of using modern auto transmissions, and using no more evidence than you own prejudice. Give it a rest please.

nodding donkey:
Well, having seen the ‘driving’ skills and ‘road craft’ of the average tipper driver around those there parts, I dont hold a high opinion of most of them. And I can just imagine a 19 year old, new in this business, trying to keep up with that.
I once did some agency work for another Wiltshire tipper operator. … On the way back to base at the end of the day, three of the bellend jockeys decided that driving three abreast down the M4, slowing down to annoy the traffic, was hilarious.

There is a big fleet of red ones that must include the word moron in the job description, or so it seemed a few years ago, I think they have upped their standards a bit of late.

There is no weight limit on the hill and road.
The sign that indicates a six foot width limit has been pushed over and is broken , it is not visible as it is on the ground.
The tippers width is about eight feet.

muckles:
Hammer, I haven’t seen anything from the media saying. They believe the 2 men were racing.

After the incident the dvsa and the police went into the company premisises to check the records kept by the company. No doubt both maintenance and drive hours records have examined, they’ve now arrested both men, one the driver the other the company owner. No doubt to get on record answers to questions arising from the incident and subsequent investigation.

Carryfast. we don’t know what happened, why the brakes failed, or if it was a manual or auto, but you’ve gone on about this for pages without any knowledge of the actual incident or any knowledge of using modern auto transmissions, and using no more evidence than you own prejudice. Give it a rest please.

Assuming they’ve found any incriminating evidence regards the truck’s maintenance and use then why not just charge the possible defendants at that point so everyone knows where they stand.If not then surely it is all at the same point as the Scottish dump truck situation was.In which case no need for the arrests and naming and shaming agenda in the media.

As for modern autos assuming no engine braking facility ( doubtful ) then as I said charge the defendants and then at least the driver’s defence representation can also put that to the court depending on information regarding why the thing actually ran away. :unamused:

puntabrava:

nodding donkey:
Well, having seen the ‘driving’ skills and ‘road craft’ of the average tipper driver around those there parts, I dont hold a high opinion of most of them. And I can just imagine a 19 year old, new in this business, trying to keep up with that.
I once did some agency work for another Wiltshire tipper operator. … On the way back to base at the end of the day, three of the bellend jockeys decided that driving three abreast down the M4, slowing down to annoy the traffic, was hilarious.

There is a big fleet of red ones that must include the word moron in the job description, or so it seemed a few years ago, I think they have upped their standards a bit of late.

I see box jockeys driving like knobs all day in and out of Tilbury every day so that obviously means every container driver in the UK is a knob.

It seems strange that on the radio news all they seem to mention is the death of the four year old girl and in some reports nothing of the three Welsh men.