Fork lift truck driving or lorry driving?

Hi, I have long been interested in getting my class 2 HGV licence. However having looked into it more closely I think it may not be all it is cracked up to be (no offence to guys who love the job). I.e. I mean the Early starts, long days, scant access to toilets, heavily regulated and expensive training fees. Additionally my wife and I are expecting our first baby soon and I don’t see lorry driving as necessarily being a good option when the baby is here.
While forklift driving roles have similar pay from what I believe when compared to some class 2 jobs, (please correct me if this is wrong), driving a forklift is much less regulated and is not as expensive when it comes to the training.
So what does everyone think? Pros and cons of forklift driving vs pros and cons of lorry driving? How many hours on average do guys work as class 2 lorry drivers? What do you get paid? Do you enjoy it? Would love to hear from someone please who has done both lorry driving and fork lift driving.

Thank you

Sensible question. But you’ve missed the matter of being cooped up all day in a factory/warehouse compared to being out and about.

As a trainer with above 45 years experience, I can tell you I’m a lot happier out in a truck than doing FLT training in a warehouse or training centre.

But each to their own and you need to reach your own conclusion.

Good luck, Pete :laughing: :laughing:

Doccer88:
Hi, I have long been interested in getting my class 2 HGV licence. However having looked into it more closely I think it may not be all it is cracked up to be (no offence to guys who love the job). I.e. I mean the Early starts, long days, scant access to toilets, heavily regulated and expensive training fees. Additionally my wife and I are expecting our first baby soon and I don’t see lorry driving as necessarily being a good option when the baby is here.
While forklift driving roles have similar pay from what I believe when compared to some class 2 jobs, (please correct me if this is wrong), driving a forklift is much less regulated and is not as expensive when it comes to the training.
So what does everyone think? Pros and cons of forklift driving vs pros and cons of lorry driving? How many hours on average do guys work as class 2 lorry drivers? What do you get paid? Do you enjoy it? Would love to hear from someone please who has done both lorry driving and fork lift driving.

Thank you

Im a forklift driver at the moment trying to get into hgv driving ( 1week away from lessons before dvsa put a 3month ban on)

Depending were you work forklift driving can be very moves per hour orientated and pickers and other mhe ( forklifts , ride ons) flying about

Were on around 9.80 a hr

One thing i have currently learned is try and get into medical goods warehouse as were still at work no matter what happens in the world medication is still needed

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Can earn good money on the forks around our way trouble is good paying jobs consists of shift work mixture of days and nights back and forth, not my cup of tea personally or day work would probably be flat 40 hours at min wage or just above , also is factory/warehouse work so no freedom like driving a wagon

They opened a new rail terminal near me, and looking for Reach Stacker drivers. I went to the introduction day and was put forward for interview. Apparently I failed as I wasn’t grumpy enough. :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue:

It does depend on what kinda forklift work your thinking about doing. If your working for a pallet distribution company (palletways, palletline, etc) I’d forget it straight away. They drive like nutters and are under so much pressure to load and unload… although that’s where your higher forklift wages are! Warehouse driving (picking/putting away) can be better, depending on the people you work with, but will still probably be monitored by your moves per hour.
Out on class 2 you’ll probably be going places a class 1 can’t so inner city areas, however only you know what’s going on and your the one to blame should things go wrong (it takes a couple of months to figure out how/when to take breaks and what order to visit drops/pick ups).

I’d go class 2 every time but be prepared, you’ll hate the job and think you’ve made a mistake until you find a company that doesn’t take the pee and you get used to the work!

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I have both FLT and class 2.

FLT is normally a 3 shift pattern of days, lates and nights that really messes with your sleeping pattern and after a few years you could end up with sleep problems.

FLT work is also normally in a dark warehouse or factory where you can’t even see if it’s day time or night time never mind what the weather is like outside.

Then you could have a problem with other workers or jumped up supervisors or managers, the money will be a little bit lower on FLT but you’ll be home every day in your own bed and normally after only 8 hours, you’ll more that likey have a canteen and people to socialize with and vending machines and toilets to use.

HGV driving is a more lonely kind of life but i wouldn’t have it any other way, you get to enjoy the wather and outside life and see the sights and sounds of the day or night, you could be working day shift OR night shift but a 2 or 3 shift pattern is a lot rarer in the HGV world.

You’ll normally be on a higher wage per hour but you will definitely put in longer days, 10 to 12 hours is about the norm but I’ve also done 14 hour days before, one just a few weeks ago, very nearly 2 factory workers shifts in 1 day by 1 person, doing day shift could see you starting at anything from 3 or 4 o’clock which could see you still at work at 7pm that night, I’ve even done day shift before starting at 2am.

You’ll be your own boss though when out on the road but 80-90% of planners / transport managers will want blood out of you every shift ( class 2 ), you’ll be overloaded with deliveries coming out of your ears and could be given 15 more deliveries than it’s possible to deliver in one day but you can’t just finish and go home, you’ll have to stay at work and keep delivering until the job is done, you can’t just turn around from somewhere as far away as Sheffield and say "well it’s about my finish time ", that’s how lorry drivers are exploted, they know you can’t just pack up and go home until the job is finished unless you want to be out of a job, once the goods are loaded onto your vehicle it’s your responsibility to make sure they all get delivered that day.

You’ll go to some far away places and see parts of the country you’ve never been to before, you’ll learn the road numbers and where they’ll take you very quickly and you’ll get to use that in your car on you days off even when quite far away from your home.

You will however be hated by the general public and absolutely despised by other road users in particular car drivers.

You’ll have to eat out from shops or cafes or make your own sandwiches every day, if going to shops or cafes you’ll more than likely have nowhere to park unless stopping at motorway service stations.

If you are already worried about long hours, very early starts, been away from home for a long time then it might not be for you.

A lot of people don’t realise that lorry driving is more than just a job, it’s a way of life, it’s normally in the blood, something you’ve had inside of you since been knee high to a grass hopper, which other job role do you know where you’d live and sleep at work in a tiny, cramped room, 8 feet by 6 feet with no toilet for 5 days a week before going home to your family at the weekend ( tramping ) ?
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The problem with FLT driving is that it isn’t just one ticket and you’re good to go. You need different tickets for each type of FLT. So you spend your £500 (or however much it is these days) to get your counterbalance ticket with a recognisable body and you go to find work, but all the ads want reach or bendi ticket, or a combination. Reach, bendi, side loader are all different tickets requiring you to take another course. That quickly mounts up and around these parts the average hourly wage is between NMW and a tenner an hour. A lot of companies won’t take you on unless you can provide evidence of recent experience or a refresher within the past couple of years. It’s not really a ticket you can chuck in the back of a drawer while you do something else and then come back into it 10 years later and expect companies to take you on - you’ll have to pay for a refresher or somehow blag your way back in.

You can find higher paying FLT jobs but they’re usually attached to daft round-the-clock shift patterns and/or requiring you to drive flat-out everywhere, or acting as a warehouse labourer as well.

Both jobs (driving vs FLTing) have their advantages and disadvantages. What’s right for you will depend on where your compass is set to for your work/life/money balance.

It’s worth noting that, to be a truck driver, you have to hold a “vocational” licence. This is where it goes badly wrong for a few folks who dont figure this bit out. Truck driving should be looked on as a “vocation” - in other words it’s a lot more than just a job or a means of earning a living. Yes, of course there’s too many folks out there who look on truck driving as a “job” and some of them wont be happy.

But for those who see it as a vocation, they will enjoy their work and derive pleasure from doing it well.

Tin hat at the ready!..

Pete :laughing: :laughing:

Depending on where you are, have you considered plant tickets instead?

360 Excavator or Pilling machine operator ?

Hyh:
Depending on where you are, have you considered plant tickets instead?

360 Excavator or Pilling machine operator ?

Does that mean working away a lot of time tho ■■

Genuine question as i was torn between hgv and plant driving

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applebygavin:
Does that mean working away a lot of time tho ■■

Genuine question as i was torn between hgv and plant driving

That industry varies a lot. If that region has a lot of housing growth, for example, parts of the South East of England, you might be taken on to work in a regional area, for example in Sussex or Kent etc as a 360 Excavator operator.

I’ve seen ads offering £18 an hour flat rate but usually fixed term contracts on a site but those are usually the smaller companies operating like that.

If you get one of the bigger/heavier 360 Excavator tickets, you can operate in quarries etc and I understand that isn’t bad money either - Always home at night too (Unless they operate through the night too)

Piling can be pretty specialised and might take you all over the place depending on the company. Piling is usually used for bigger structures such as bridges or blocks of flats etc. Due to the speciality, I understand the pay is pretty good and usually exceeds Class 1 earnings.

Building sites are usually closed on Bank Holidays and isn’t uncommon for them to close down for a week or two around Christmas

Peter Smythe:
It’s worth noting that, to be a truck driver, you have to hold a “vocational” licence. This is where it goes badly wrong for a few folks who dont figure this bit out. Truck driving should be looked on as a “vocation” - in other words it’s a lot more than just a job or a means of earning a living. Yes, of course there’s too many folks out there who look on truck driving as a “job” and some of them wont be happy.

But for those who see it as a vocation, they will enjoy their work and derive pleasure from doing it well.

Tin hat at the ready!..

Pete :laughing: :laughing:

How much are the FLT tickets these days Pete? Prices seem to vary wildly from a quick online check and all sorts of arguments about the ‘lesser known’ bodies doing cheap courses being a waste of time as companies won’t accept them. Any info?

Hyh:
Depending on where you are, have you considered plant tickets instead?

360 Excavator or Pilling machine operator ?

Your plant tickets have the same problems as truck driving, but they’re more expensive to keep up to date. Money varies hugely and it’s basically dependent on reputation and experience.
If you’re new to it don’t expect more than what you’d get for driving an artic, but experience and reputation count for a lot.

A mate of mine is s/e with excavator ticket and does demolition work and he charges £250 per day which, on a building site, is about 7 hours all done. He does go where the jobs are though, so if it’s a 4 week job at the other end of the country, that’s where he’ll go and he’ll get his travelodge paid, usually for the same company. He’s got about 30 years experience on the job.

I looked at it myself but the job location moving every month or so put me off.

R420:
Your plant tickets have the same problems as truck driving, but they’re more expensive to keep up to date. Money varies hugely and it’s basically dependent on reputation and experience. If you’re new to it don’t expect more than what you’d get for driving an artic, but experience and reputation count for a lot. A mate of mine is s/e with excavator ticket and does demolition work and he charges £250 per day which, on a building site, is about 7 hours all done. He does go where the jobs are though, so if it’s a 4 week job at the other end of the country, that’s where he’ll go and he’ll get his travelodge paid, usually for the same company. He’s got about 30 years experience on the job.

I looked at it myself but the job location moving every month or so put me off.

I’ve also looked into it myself before I decided to get my HGV. The biggest obstacle I found was most training is done on site, so you need a job to be on site before you can do the training - Chicken and Egg scenario basically. Since the gov have tried to push the construction sector, things might have changed.

Demolition is a bit more specialised and could take you all over, bit like piling or heavy crane ops and yes reputation can count - No one wants to contract the guy who messed up a building coming down and cost people their lives etc.

Most 360 work is likely to be on building sites and not involving demo or piling and so a little easier to get a start vs starting off in specialised stuff. There’s multiple grades of 360 Excavator and what you say is true about keeping up the tickets. But then HGV has DCPC and if you do ADR, ADR every 5 years or so. (Just looked, there are grants available for training courses in the construction sector, see www.citb.co.uk/levy-grants-and-funding/grants-funding/ for details)

Having a quick look on Gumtree, there’s 5 ads for 360 drivers in he South East, ranging from £17-£20 an hour but short contracts of a month or so, so not so much job security…But then there’s no job security on agency driving either but that suits some people who like the flexibility.

If you’re in the right area, work in the rail sector can be an idea - I’m in completely the wrong area so gave up on that quickly as no one seems to train people up in the South East.

How much are the FLT tickets these days Pete?

Sorry, I’m very out of date. It must be 20 years since I stopped FLT training. Quite simply, I didn’t enjoy it. And I cant spend my life doing something I dont enjoy!!

Ask me one on trucks!

Pete :laughing: :laughing:

Hyh:

R420:
Your plant tickets have the same problems as truck driving, but they’re more expensive to keep up to date. Money varies hugely and it’s basically dependent on reputation and experience. If you’re new to it don’t expect more than what you’d get for driving an artic, but experience and reputation count for a lot. A mate of mine is s/e with excavator ticket and does demolition work and he charges £250 per day which, on a building site, is about 7 hours all done. He does go where the jobs are though, so if it’s a 4 week job at the other end of the country, that’s where he’ll go and he’ll get his travelodge paid, usually for the same company. He’s got about 30 years experience on the job.

I looked at it myself but the job location moving every month or so put me off.

I’ve also looked into it myself before I decided to get my HGV. The biggest obstacle I found was most training is done on site, so you need a job to be on site before you can do the training - Chicken and Egg scenario basically. Since the gov have tried to push the construction sector, things might have changed.

Demolition is a bit more specialised and could take you all over, bit like piling or heavy crane ops and yes reputation can count - No one wants to contract the guy who messed up a building coming down and cost people their lives etc.

Most 360 work is likely to be on building sites and not involving demo or piling and so a little easier to get a start vs starting off in specialised stuff. There’s multiple grades of 360 Excavator and what you say is true about keeping up the tickets. But then HGV has DCPC and if you do ADR, ADR every 5 years or so. (Just looked, there are grants available for training courses in the construction sector, see citb.co.uk/levy-grants-and-f … s-funding/ for details)

Having a quick look on Gumtree, there’s 5 ads for 360 drivers in he South East, ranging from £17-£20 an hour but short contracts of a month or so, so not so much job security…But then there’s no job security on agency driving either but that suits some people who like the flexibility.

If you’re in the right area, work in the rail sector can be an idea - I’m in completely the wrong area so gave up on that quickly as no one seems to train people up in the South East.

^ That’s the point I was making. Your machine refresher courses are the machine equivalent of your 5 yearly DCPC course = £££, and they cost more.

Telescopic handler is another one to look at - many people enter the industry that way before moving onto bigger things. Back in the day before H&S madness I drove one to cover for another guy who’d had an accident. No ticket to drive them, but you pick it up in 10 mins as it’s basically a big reach FLT. I don’t know what it’s like now, but you could earn some good beer money for ensuring the brickies were your number 1 priority to keep them supplied with packs of bricks when everyone else was screaming at you to move stuff for them :wink: . Looking at the (few) ads round here, money seems to be about £15/hr for an experienced guy.

Thanks for the input from everyone, some really good insights. All in all I can see myself enjoying HGV driving more but it does come with some downsides as mentioned (like everything I suppose). I think I’d stop on class 2 though, I don’t think I could hack tramping and being away most of the week. Anyway, food for thought : )
I did have my theory test booked for end of March but Covid saw an end to that, one to revisit in summer if the theory test centres and training centres are open.

When you get your Class 2 you could always do your Moffett ticket as well.
Get the best (or worst) of both worlds then.

I think I’d stop on class 2 though, I don’t think I could hack tramping and being away most of the week. Anyway, food for thought : )

There’s plenty of artic work apart from tramping. For a start, supermarkets.

Pete :laughing: :laughing: