Are you forgetting that the Americans have to be told what to do? TN uses an American system. If there is trouble abroad, the French, like anyone else decide whether to leave or stay. Americans are ordered out of theatres of conflict by their government. To be fair, it’s usually the orders of their Corporations that they obey 
Not sure if you are explaining why 2 forums, using the same, American, platforms in 2 different countries treat their members so differently when it comes to adult behaviour.
Or are lorry drivers such low lifes as opposed to a group of people from all walks of life, including lorry drivers (even 2 ex-Buntine road train drivers 
) so different in knowing how to conduct themselves in public?
Right, extra entry on my Xmas list: new tin-foil hat for RR…
FB is gash, I agree, full of knobheads, again couldn’t agree more. Full of utter gash conspiracy theories I agree.
However, it’s not government sponsored lies to trick people; all the scieince in the world is published and freely available, but in these days where most people have lost their natural inclination to follow a familiar-since-childhood Imaginary Friend In The Sky, grand delusions of persecution by authorities (both real and imagined authorities) has become the New Religion.
So you dont think authoriative bodies especially the govt, do not try and mislead us by influence? 
Ok with you all the way on the ‘Imaginary friend in the sky’ thing for starters.
Ok, lets degrade the lies down to ‘exaggeration’, …the Covid thing for instance.
Genuine pandemic?
Most definitely.
Scenes from Italy, army field hospitals in leisure centres…never used btw.
Bodies on the street, people dropping like flies, hand barrows on the street with guys shouting 'Bring out yer dead '?
Errr no.
Science was there …yes.
Was the synopsis and the predictions from that science wholly true?
Surely you aint going to refute that one.
Some people followed the rules to the letter and informed on their neighbours Stasi style who did not…because of the exaggeration or propaganda if you will.
Another (very bad) flu type epidemic where people died, but not as bad as the armageddon that was put to us in the first place.
In the govt lies category…
My old chestnut illegal immigrants.
Doctors, scientists, solicitors,.all with their families…as they would like us to believe?
Nah.
All fleeing from plight and persecution?
Nah.
Young seksual predatory men, criminals, and potential terrorists with no history to check?..all here for the freebie life?
Definitely.
Both those points given out by governments, and wholly swallowed by gullible idiots…
As for my present you are considering?
Get me a blue one…I suit blue.
Or a black and white stripe one,.I can wear it at the football.
Cheers.
Regardless of the circumstances it would be fair to say that it was an example of how a loaded tanker is more dangerous than an empty one.
One of my jobs in the fire fighting industry was testing the effectiveness and calibration of fire truck sidelines and branch pipes as we called them by putting out very large flaming deep metal trays of burning avgas or kerosene.Dressed in what we called ‘silver suits’ worn by aircraft fire fighters.
I never even questioned the method of making sure that the trays were only mostly filled with water and the fuel only floated on the top.The resulting ignition and conflagration was impressive and hot enough.Who needs a BLEVE.
You are obtuse.
I was implying that in Britain we are inclinded, blindly, to import American systems that were designed for a different culture. This is because it is widely, but erroneously, believed that we share the same language, culture and values. We don’t.
So obtuse, that he deserves his own warning triangle, since he cannot be right.
Apologies to CF if he thinks that was merely a cute remark, but I was looking from a different angle. 
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I agree with that, but that makes my point really, somebody adopting and operating this system has not sufficently investigated the possibilities because whoever designed the French one managed to avoid all those American idiosyncrasies.
Just as a test, is this permitted ‘nazional sozialismus’ ? Yes it is, so it is only the abbreviation that is not.
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I don’t automatically accept everything that authorities claim is accurate. Point in question I am currently involved in a “debate” with one of the police forces about ADR vehicle markings.
But also, I don’t look at official sources as being part of some apparatus to manipulate the minds of the people, like some kind of modern dystopian nightmare of “1984” proportions; that’s just Social Media BS
Covid was real, it wasn’t manufactured, yet TN was full of truck drivers who believed they were (i) equipped to dissemble machinations of fictitous conspiracies, and (ii) most laughably, believed they were able to understand a new frontier of immunology, despite for the most part having an extremely limited knowledge of how even the most basic science works.
I personally liked parts of lockdown: Being at home with the kids, being able to avoid crowded situations with random neighbours, especially those PITA fockers coughing and spluttering their way around Tesco’s and Lidl like a 21st century plague rats.
I did not resent lockdown at all, though I am well aware that others did, and still do.
And if things weren’t the apocalyptic scenario that was imagined, maybe that was partly due to people following the rules? The US seemed less inclined to follow the rules that we ddid and had a very large number of deaths (over one million)
I think it’s a bit of a stretch to bundle immigrants into the same argument; we all know there is a problem with “uninvited guests”, both the current and previous governments knew this too. And yes, something significant needs to be done.
The difference is what that significant something should be.
The Conservatives failed to do anything for 14 years, Starmer inherited the problem from them and it immediately blew up in his face - catalysed by lies from morons on Social Media. Talk about baptism by fire!
It doesn’t help that people who are intelligent enough to know better (Nige) make stupid propaganda-style statements designed to appeal to those people who believe everything they see on Social Media, and which simply could not be carried out, as they would be contrary to all manner of international law, especially international maritime law. The fact that Nige is wofefully ingnorant of the rules of the sea is more than enough for him to occupy the spot of no.1 dil-do in my categorisation system.
Of course politicians cannot be relied on to be direct and honest - the dictionary definition of “being politic” means being careful and judicious, especially with words, but I wouldn’t class that as “lieing” or “conspiring” or being “manipulative”, it’s no different than being careful what you say when you’re in a job interview.
Most of all though, a very long time ago (before the days of modern conspiracy theories) I had a conversation with a university lecturer friend, all about how some people around me saw conspiracies in everything that happened in their lives. He said that where these people saw deliberate conspiracies aimed at “getting at them”, he saw only the natural incompetence inherent in any organizational structure, and then recommended I read some Kafka, as he had a really good handle on that perspective.
So I just see incompetence in our successive governments, rather than a deliberate nefarious plan.
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You think so? A fully loaded baffed fuel tanker (with about 5% ullage) is less dangerous than a 30% loaded single-compartment unbaffled tank in excess of 7,500 litre capacity. Standard content in any ADR Tanks module
Now you’ve done it, that’s just an invitation for CF to rewrite the rules of Pythagorean Trigonometry
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…the square on the hypotenuse is…err 
Look on the bright side, it might distract him from injecting feculence into technical matters about which he knows jack feces.
New day, new arena for CF to put us all straight 
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According to our Australian expert under Australian rules the ullage space is irrelevant.
The ADR course obviously ignores the volatility and ‘potential’ transformation of the liquid content to a vapour and air mix when exposed to the air and given a bit of encouragement, like a fire or other source of ignition.
As I said aircraft fire fighting experience suggests that a plane fire on take off involving full tanks will be a far more traumatic event than on landing with less fuel and more ullage.
Why would a tanker fire be considered any different especially the volatility of petrol v kerosene.
To be fair I feel much more at home in small town Mid West America than Greater London.Also the names Montana and Sierre are to me because the Valais in Switzerland is more like America than many parts of America are.
Let’s just say that I learn’t it from the fact that a plane crash/fire on take off will be worse than when landing.
Where do I start?
Firstly I aint influenced by any social media, my only ‘social media’ is on here, and it is as sure as hell that nobody on here has ever influenced me.
Secondly, I aint saying all authority is actively brainwashing us in an Orwellian context, or 'They are all out to get me/us (in a Winseerian context) I am saying that on the whole they are preety economical with the actual truth, if it aint a downright lie, it’s a distorted version of it…on the whole.
On the other hand, I’m a totally absolute cynical SOB, and I basically take nobody at face value, nor actually (at first) trust anyone I do not know.
Especially those in authority, employers definitely.
Covid?..yep real, I did say that tbf,… but that distortion aspect was in there, what they told us, and what most of us saw with our own eyes did not correlate.
People were terrified ffs at first, my own then 85 yr old mother thought the world was gonna end after watching the news, until I tried to reassure her, in fact even I took ott precautions when I saw what was going on in Italy, but again I saw things a lot different after a time,…
I aint one of your armchair trucker scientists either, I was purely an observer which is how I drew my conclusions.
My point was people were paranoid about it for a long time (even on here) because they believed all the worst case scenarios put out by msn and govt.
After saying that, I too enjoyed lockdown, and furlough, I looked at it as getting something back what I had paid into all my adult life, for a change, rather than freeloading.
As for the US, you are comparing a huge country with a small one, so yeah bound to be more victims.
My point on illegals, a similar thing, what they say and what is actually true, are 2 different things.
As for Starmer, from where I sit he seems to be ignoring it, and is way out of touch with many people’s attitudes.
His way of dealing with it?
If you are concerned about immigration in any degree you are far right.
He has just signed some multi million quid deal, afaik, to ‘process’ them, again the cynic in me says ‘process’ means let em all stay, or at least the vast majority with a token few sent away.
Ok to spend those multi millions though when the Rwanda thing was just laughed at and never given a chance.
That remains to be seen though.
As for Farage, ok you can’t stand him, but a lot of people do agree with him.
Both are politicians, no politician can be trusted, so we take our own sides and make our own minds up, which is the… ‘‘least worst’’ .
As for international/maritime law, it is in fact an ass as the old adage goes, if a country is not allowed to protect it’s own shores as an island from an array of hostiles and illegal criminals entering it.
An island is meant to be a natural defence, and it is/should be, backed up by our Navy.
Incidentally if I was a crew member of the Kent RNLI, I would resign after the insult of being used as an escort or taxi service for these men.
(By the way…just noticed Franglais has agreed with you on authority, politicians, covid etc…
‘Quelle surprise, Rodders, bonnet de douche.’ )
We seem to have gone off topic here, so I’ll hand back over to Carryfast to keep you all in check.