gah1950:
hello ramone,
it really makes you wonder where the power league struggle will end,i would safely say that a 500bhp is sufficient for light duties such as 44 ton,but of course on heavy haulage that is another matter as you quite rightly stated,i think with the high power lumps that are offered most users dont need them anyway,i know that a lot of owner drivers go for high bhp but come on a 730 or 750 for normal work is definatley over the top.i am now running for the nissan hut.
regards graham.
I was at a waste paper merchant in Leeds yesterday and they have a new FH16 700 i just cant see the point
Re; Horsepower, When Dad had a D reg 6wheeler new, it had a ■■■■■■■ 220. The E regs were 240 with the change to Cat engines on F regs this went to 250. When the first 3000 series came these were ■■■■■■■ 275s and by the last 3000s on R reg this went to 305. A change to the 4000 series saw Cat and ■■■■■■■ 340s and the Alphas were 345s. The Daf CFs are 360s, though these aren’t as good as the Cat 345s.
Muckaway:
Re; Horsepower, When Dad had a D reg 6wheeler new, it had a ■■■■■■■ 220. The E regs were 240 with the change to Cat engines on F regs this went to 250. When the first 3000 series came these were ■■■■■■■ 275s and by the last 3000s on R reg this went to 305. A change to the 4000 series saw Cat and ■■■■■■■ 340s and the Alphas were 345s. The Daf CFs are 360s, though these aren’t as good as the Cat 345s.
I`ve got a 360 bhp Daft CF and its nowhere near as good at pulling as the F and G reg 360 bhp Turbostars i used to drive
Muckaway:
Was this a leftover cab bought cheap? T reg seems a late registration for one of these.
They also made it as a ‘Lightweight Six Wheeler tipper’ to get a decent payload. They were fitted with the infamous ‘Stopmaster’ brakes, guess which way it will pull next! To be truthfull they were a good cab for off road work, the S80’s were very low at the front and the bumper was easily bent especially when reversing through muck etc. The front cab corners were easily damaged as well, whereas the S39 cab was a tough old thing and easily patched up with a fibreglass repair kit. The wooden frame tended to rot when they were around 20 years old though, and the doors would then drop slightly.
Pete.
These were the type Smiths sent back. From what Ive been told they were warned they were a mixer chassis and as Ive said they were a nightmare to steer. Ive been told these cabs were being made so late as Foden still had the tooling and were in the ■■■ financially by the time this one was built. About this time Smiths bought 2 batches of Bisons which were (and still) fondly remembered by the old timers. And me, I loved 'em
C W Griffiths had a brand new Foden six wheeler tipper identical to this also on a T plate.Nash Rocks had aa S reg as a mixer which was later cconverted to a tipper which my mate drove.He loved the lorry.It had a Gardner 180,wasn’t the fastest,but brilliant for getting up the steepest hills and offroad.
Cheers Dave.
We had an S reg lightweight 6 wheeler too, it wasn’t ever a mixer chassis. She had a Gardiner 180 & Foden 12 speed in her at first but the gearbox was eventually changed to a 9 speed fuller. TAV 119S was the reg. Blue cab & Red chassis, she was sold on around 1989 to a muckshifting contractor. I often wonder if the old girl still survives somewhere.
Muckaway:
Re; Horsepower, When Dad had a D reg 6wheeler new, it had a ■■■■■■■ 220. The E regs were 240 with the change to Cat engines on F regs this went to 250. When the first 3000 series came these were ■■■■■■■ 275s and by the last 3000s on R reg this went to 305. A change to the 4000 series saw Cat and ■■■■■■■ 340s and the Alphas were 345s. The Daf CFs are 360s, though these aren’t as good as the Cat 345s.
Peter Radford from the Corvedale near Craven Arms now runs this Foden six wheeler tipper.Bought new by Paul Griffiths it has a 450 Cat engine.
Peter is a lime spreading haulier,so he has plenty of power to get up the ramps.
Seven years old January 5th. Cat C12 345bhp (pulls like F*** and does almost 10mpg), 14m3 Charlton Superlite steel body, PM onboard weigher…
…and woode effect dash-which I didn’t ask for
Is there a need for 750 bhp on normal work ,(low loader work not included)im sure vehicles of much lower bhp can achieve 56 mph up hill and down dale on most motorways these day… Ducks for cover from the backlash
Seeing it probably uses 400 of those hp’s so power through the anti pollution garbage yes…
Maybe wishful thinking or rose tinted specs but can’t say as i’ve found modern 420/450hp trucks to have anything like the sheer guts a 14 litre ■■■■■■■ had 25…hang on while i have a little sob here for all those lost years…ok better now…years ago.
I agree with that, the new motors dont seem as guttsy … is that a word…but then again they might be putting 420 bhp out but they are controlled by a computer now and not your right foot and with the limiters they are hindered before they hit the hills ,put the limiter speed up to 62 mph and i bet you would see a big difference but with a fuel penalty
This one had 350 CAT power, even allowing for the fact that it was a factory demonstrator it oozed the sheer guts as described above. I would struggle to comprehend the 700 horse motors of today having twice the power of that Cat.
One very irritating point about the Alpha cab is the fact that there are no cab front wind deflectors fitted unlike the Daf; It’s nigh on impossible to keep the doors clean on even a slightly damp road surface.
Evening Gentlemen, power, now theres an interesting subject. The family ran an S21 6x4 150 Gardner 80tonner! She had “turn down” hubs for the steep bits. Never any bother Just a bit slow when empty, but she was ultra reliable. When the end came she was sold and converted into a breakdown by someone in Lancashire. Alwood Transport at Cheltenham had a similar unit, I can remember seeing her running Dow Mac bridge beams up the M5, when the M42 was been built, alongside Ray Gillards "more modern " fleet! Alwood also had an S40, ■■■■■■■ 220 6x4 ballast unit, and some interesting trailers manufactured by Wally Woodhall. Now there was a real engineer! You know, its not so much power as gearing, that gets the job done. Cheerio for now.
thelongdrag:
Always sad to see good lorries moved internal and then abused and totally wrecked in some cases over a short period.
Even worse if its been your own and you’ve always been proud of it. Mike.
Our lot seem to be adept at this Mike;
From this…
…to this
Dad had the firms’ first 3000 series;
written off after another driver took her on and a load stuck (overloaded)
Merry xmas to all on trucknet,i have never been a lorry driver but my childhood memories are going with the drivers from E BUTLER & sons (MALTBY) in a s36 foden reg noYWR 533G i used to wait at the top of grange lane looking down to the queens corner,i could tell when the fodens were coming because the headboards were illuminated,they had about twenty foden tippers working out of there own quarry at stainton about two miles away.The driver i went with got a new s39 UWT 463L but we never seemed to go more than 30 mph no matter were we went except on motorways,one particular day i was waiting to be picked up when the lorry duly arrived and stopped to pick me up,being only 11 at the time i struggled in to the cab to find a stranger at the wheel,he said its ok i have been told to stop and pick you up because the regular driver is on holiday.Of we went to the quarry to be loaded and on to our first job after a few miles the driver saw me looking a bit puzzled,he said is everything ok,i said no are you sure this is the same lorry i normaly go in because it never goes this fast,he turned and smiled at me then said thats because you have to know how to use the gearbox well he certainly did it flew as far as i was concerned.It put a big smile on my face until the day came when the regular driver came back to work,back to 30mph drat.Both drivers have passed away sad to say but i did not want to put there names on just want to remember happy times long ago.I have a picture of UWT 463L i will put it on here,others on BUTLERS QUARRY MALTBY .cheers paul.
An old workmate of mine.The late Jack Williams RIP pictured in Sharples Foden when it was over
30 years old.This lorry was featured in one of the truck mags.
The last artic that Sharples ran.
thelongdrag:
Always sad to see good lorries moved internal and then abused and totally wrecked in some cases over a short period.
Even worse if its been your own and you’ve always been proud of it. Mike.
Our lot seem to be adept at this Mike;
From this…
…to this
Dad had the firms’ first 3000 series;
written off after another driver took her on and a load stuck (overloaded)
Hi Nathan.Yes YBW looks a sad site,mind some could get them like that in normal use,and the one thats been over well accidents happen. TUW looks a neat motor and a credit to you.Regards Mike.
thelongdrag:
Always sad to see good lorries moved internal and then abused and totally wrecked in some cases over a short period.
Even worse if its been your own and you’ve always been proud of it. Mike.
Our lot seem to be adept at this Mike;
From this…
…to this
Dad had the firms’ first 3000 series;
written off after another driver took her on and a load stuck (overloaded)
YBW was scrapped but our workshop manager told me that he’s had an email from someone saying that ABW 36A, the basis of the Corgi model is still around in a barn somewhere. Condition unknown though.
Dave the Renegade:
An old workmate of mine.The late Jack Williams RIP pictured in Sharples Foden when it was over
30 years old.This lorry was featured in one of the truck mags.
The last artic that Sharples ran.
dave that sharples foden cab and trailer have just shown up again on fleabay of all places!
moose
To be truthfull they were a good cab for off road work, the S80’s were very low at the front and the bumper was easily bent especially when reversing through muck etc. The front cab corners were easily damaged as well, whereas the S39 cab was a tough old thing and easily patched up with a fibreglass repair kit. The wooden frame tended to rot when they were around 20 years old though, and the doors would then drop slightly.
