First accident

romik:

wrighty1:
Sorry for being dense and my excuse is it’s been a long day but what’s the risk assessment for ?

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Supermarkets have risk assessments, that advise you which route to take, where to turnaround, time restrictions, etc. Basically I was given one of those for same town, but for a different store, that only accepted 8mtr trailers, mine was 13 :slight_smile:

did u not question this before you set off with it? sounds like they have a "when it suits"policy, pat on the back because u delivered it , but the ■■■■ would have hit the fan if something had have gone wrong :open_mouth:

romik:
About to do the idiotic re-train in an empty yard :unamused:

Who needs a re-train is the office staff that issued the wrong risk assessment form.

Never mind lol

You’ve got my sympathy mate, these things happen, nobody died, it’s low grade trivial…move on. :bulb:

However are you suggesting there’s a shared blame here, because they gave you the wrong ‘‘risk assessment form’’ …whatever the ■■■■ that may be.

You don’t actually believe it’s a genuine entity in any shape or form do you ?
I’m with Juddian on this as I have been in the job a similar time and I am also of the opinion all this ''risk assessment/re training is pure unadulterated 101% pure management buzzwordspeak arse covering face saving ■■■■■■■■ …end of.

As I say mate move on,… but pleas don’t play into their hands by suggesting it was partly their fault, as if they see you are taking all that crap seriously, it just encourages these type of pricks in suits in offices.

Yes it is ■■■■■■■■.

Years ago before it became fashionable my mate became a trainer/assessor and the shop steward as it happens, one half wit they employed decided to overtake another lorry on a two way road approaching a blind bend, sure enough another vehicles appears and the innocent overtaken lorry ends up in the ditch.

Management asked my mate to take said idiot out for re-assessment, my mate asked them ‘’ what for? what are we supposed to do? practise overtaking on blind bends till we get it right?‘’, this was near enough 25 years ago so the rot was already setting in even then.

Our industry would be a bloody sight better off, and lorry drivers and others there actually doing some work could have a decent pay rise, if these companies got rid of at least 60% of these pointless and in too many cases bloody useless suits.
Instead of which the sods are breeding like rabbits :unamused:

Juddian:
what are we supposed to do? practise overtaking on blind bends till we get it right?‘’, [emoji23]

Our industry would be a bloody sight better off, and lorry drivers and others there actually doing some work could have a decent pay rise, if these companies got rid of at least 60% of these pointless and in too many cases bloody useless suits.
Instead of which the sods are breeding like rabbits :unamused:

I’ve been saying this for years, well, ever since I was taken over by wincanton (must be the UK’s worst for this crap?) on a job I’d been doing for 5 years. They took the contract over and started telling me how I should be doing it blah blah blah.

I can see both sides on the coin here. In the real world of Joe Bloggs Haulage Ltd, you’d agree to disagree over fault (rule 1, never admit liability in an accident) and no more would be said.

But in the world of Freshco plc (other fake supermarkets are available) you’re held accountable by the monkey on the desk, and they feel you should have realised their mistake. The problem is, you didn’t check the store name, store number or even the trailer size, giving them reasonable doubt as to whether you actually read the thing, and ammunition to make you do the dreaded retraining

Im sure we’ve all had a few, some minor some a little more expensive ones. I reversed a fully freighted tilt into the workshop doors and ripped the complete shutters off the runners, my ins covered it though, apart from some :blush: , no harm done to anyone.
Tbh though if your company is talking risk assessment retraining bollox over something so minor id be inclined to move on…

Moving on is a bit extreme if every other aspects of the job suit the OP. Yes all the retraining and H&S BS is a PITA but sometimes you just have to swallow it and try not to let it get to you. Just think of it from the employers point of view that they can’t just say “oh well, never mind” these days because they have to prove to HSE and VOSA that they take these things seriously and have ‘systems’ [emoji57]in place to minimise accidents/incidents.
I’m afraid it’s just another one of those things passed down from the EU Beurocrats (?) that us obedient brits have enforced to the letter. [emoji17]

AndrewG:
Im sure we’ve all had a few, some minor some a little more expensive ones. I reversed a fully freighted tilt into the workshop doors and ripped the complete shutters off the runners, my ins covered it though, apart from some :blush: , no harm done to anyone.
Tbh though if your company is talking risk assessment retraining bollox over something so minor id be inclined to move on…

Andrew i don’t think you realise quite how Gt Britain has changed since you’ve been gorn, and still we’re flat out in the headlong race to the bottom, and not just in lorry world.

We’ve dumbed everything down to the lowest common denominator, this has ensured that skills, those that are irreplaceable and as few as possible, are at an all time minimum, we’ve gone from a design manufacture production country to a glorified warehouse stuffed to the rafters with Chinese plastic and electronic tat, Indian/Pakistani clothing, and other far eastern and eastern european furniture etc.
Due to the vast profits being made thanks to poverty wages for the workers where stuff is made, and so few ordinary workers being needed, the scale of admin and petty management, helped in no small way due to overlegislation, has seen the ratio of management to workers has changed dramatically, managers really are breeding like rats.
Course they arn’t really needed, half the sods could be got rid of and no bugger would spot the difference.

Up to a point immigration hasn’t helped, i’ve seen with mine own eyes these same managers are happy to recruit people with only pidgin English into jobs that require absolute spot on communication, hence leading to ■■■■ ups of expensive and epic proportion which can cost £thousands to correct in time and replacement costs.

Some of the recruits to jobs, Brit or otherwise really arn’t up to it, and the damage ratio to specialist equipment is staggering due to not really having the aptitude to the job.

Now the company doesn’t sit back and ask itself whats going wrong, and Heaven forbid ask the people at the coal face for their opinion…we’re in suits so we know best…so we dumb the job down and employ some more junior and middle management to make the system apparently foolproof, course handily those further up who cocked it up move further up the greasy pole, kerching, and each of these new managers wants to put their stamp on things to prove just how bloody clever they are and how They should be earmarked for promotion :unamused:

So we’ve dumbed the job down instead, thats great so we can recruit any bloody fool to do it, ‘cos you just know fellow managers we could train a monkey to do this job’ (yes i’ve actually heard that before, plus the ‘i can get drivers ten a penny’ ■■■■■■■■), so yes the job attracts, and they willingly employ, those who can manage to bollox up the completely foolproof system even worse.

It’s so utterly demoralising to those who take a pride in their work, those ironically who don’t need any bloody management at all, the job gets dumbed down, those who didn’t need all this bollox in the first place are still the ones carrying the job out day in day out without fail, so you’d think the company would have the sense to let the competent staff (who actually give a flying fig about the job :bulb: ) train the new staff on once the ‘trainers’ have done initial induction, yes you might well think that but oh no matey that isn’t going to happen, so we slide another 6 rungs down the ladder to the bottom.
The company by this time appears to have lost sight of whats happening, we get ■■■■ ups still so as the previous dumbing down didn’t work enough, we’d better do some more of the same until it does work, more managers still, more memos, more dumbing down.
Result, well just like in elections when you continually time after time vote for the same bunch who ruined everything, and still expect a different result next time, utter lunacy results.

Imo any company over zealous with risk assessment, retraining over minor incidents and especially H&S needs to be avoided at all costs. These type of places make life miserable for employees and turn them into non thinking for themselves robots who when told to jump are expected to say how high. Nicer places to work are those that allow the driver to think for themselves not treating them like children…

AndrewG:
Imo any company over zealous with risk assessment, retraining over minor incidents and especially H&S needs to be avoided at all costs. These type of places make life miserable for employees and turn them into non thinking for themselves robots who when told to jump are expected to say how high. Nicer places to work are those that allow the driver to think for themselves not treating them like children…

quite so but unfortunately it’s now an industry making a lot of people a lot of money so it ain’t going away any time soon. [emoji17]
Fortunately I’m at a place that respects my skills and experience and leaves me alone to do ma thang! [emoji4]

Dumbing down started with ‘auto’ boxes. [emoji57]

Juddian:
Yes it is ■■■■■■■■.

Years ago before it became fashionable my mate became a trainer/assessor and the shop steward as it happens, one half wit they employed decided to overtake another lorry on a two way road approaching a blind bend, sure enough another vehicles appears and the innocent overtaken lorry ends up in the ditch.

Management asked my mate to take said idiot out for re-assessment, my mate asked them ‘’ what for? what are we supposed to do? practise overtaking on blind bends till we get it right?‘’, this was near enough 25 years ago so the rot was already setting in even then.

Our industry would be a bloody sight better off, and lorry drivers and others there actually doing some work could have a decent pay rise, if these companies got rid of at least 60% of these pointless and in too many cases bloody useless suits.
Instead of which the sods are breeding like rabbits :unamused:

We now have the best part of two generations who have been force-fed by politicians and the education system that if you go to what they call ‘Uni’ then you will never have to actually do any work in your life. Instead you can tell others how to do it, and to hurry up etc while sitting on your arse watching. More accurately you will be telling them how not to do the job - because you haven’t got a clue about what the job really entails, only having read about it in books. You will however be what they call an alumnus of whatever ‘uni’ it was, so therefore entitled to wear stripy tie and be a member of the old boys club, thus thinking yourself important.

nomiS36:
Dumbing down started with ‘auto’ boxes. [emoji57]

My great grandad said it started when they gave him a new motor, and he couldn’t find the crank handle hole.

ezydriver:

nomiS36:
Dumbing down started with ‘auto’ boxes. [emoji57]

My great grandad said it started when they gave him a new motor, and he couldn’t find the crank handle hole.

Yeh maybe he did mate, but I think you missed the guy’s point.
Although I love auto boxes myself, they did take a much required skill from the job, which enabled dummies to get into a truck and make it move, and call themselves ‘drivers’… hence the dumbing down he referred do. :bulb:

Eventually, perhaps not in our lifetime, we’ll become redundant, just like a lot of other professions are gradually being phased out, due to technological advancements.

Anyhow, I’m now all re-trained and feel great, new skills learnt, no more bollard bashing!

It’s all a load of bollards!

robroy:

ezydriver:

nomiS36:
Dumbing down started with ‘auto’ boxes. [emoji57]

My great grandad said it started when they gave him a new motor, and he couldn’t find the crank handle hole.

Yeh maybe he did mate, but I think you missed the guy’s point.
Although I love auto boxes myself, they did take a much required skill from the job, which enabled dummies to get into a truck and make it move, and call themselves ‘drivers’… hence the dumbing down he referred do. :bulb:

Precisely [emoji1360]
Can’t wait 'till I get a truck with a proper gearbox again. Another minus point for these stoopid backwards autos is it’s now too easy to do naughty stuff like mess about with your phone with your now redundant left hand. Maybe the government should step in and outlaw them [emoji362]