Firms that will not pay expenses to get to the truck

They will not pay mileage,which is about 40 to 44 pence per mile,it is 50 miles to get to the truck,so that is an hour each way,twice a day.
When moaning about it,they piped up,that they only pay if confirmed beforehand,or if they put parts in my car that are associated with their firm,then get mileage paid.
This effects the WTD rules,as i have worked an hour before getting in the wagon,so how do i record that on the digi card,they may pay an hour if i book the hour,to cover expenses,but that is not good enough.
Legally,do i have to mention or record anywhere about the hours car journey.If stopped,what proof would they have of where or how i got to work.

If you are going to the companies depot to collect the truck then you do not need to record the journey to work. If the vehicle is elsewhere and you are going to take it over then you record it as other work.

if the truck is at base and you choose to travel that distance every day then its your problem for working for a company that far away.
if they ask you to do that mileage every day then ask them to pay for it.

toby1234abc:
do i have to mention or record anywhere about the hours car journey.If stopped,what proof would they have of where or how i got to work.

If you are driving from home to somewhere listed on their o-licence as an operating centre than the journey does not need recording anywhere.

If you are travelling directly from home to collect a truck from somewhere that isn’t an operating centre then that time should be recorded as other work using a manual entry.

If you travel from home to an operating centre and then drive from there to somewhere else to collect the truck then the time from home to the operating centre does not need recording but the time taken to drive from the operating centre to the truck should be recorded as other work.

In all cases whether or not you are paid for your time or for your mileage will depend on your contract of employment. For tax purposes in the examples given above anything that should be recorded as other work they can also legally pay you mileage money tax free.

Paul

toby1234abc:
They will not pay mileage,which is about 40 to 44 pence per mile,it is 50 miles to get to the truck,so that is an hour each way,twice a day.
When moaning about it,they piped up,that they only pay if confirmed beforehand,or if they put parts in my car that are associated with their firm,then get mileage paid.
This effects the WTD rules,as i have worked an hour before getting in the wagon,so how do i record that on the digi card,they may pay an hour if i book the hour,to cover expenses,but that is not good enough.
Legally,do i have to mention or record anywhere about the hours car journey.If stopped,what proof would they have of where or how i got to work.

how long do you spend each day thinking up these amazing questions, good job its not recorded as working time or you wouldnt have any left for driving :smiley: :wink:

toby1234abc:
They will not pay mileage,which is about 40 to 44 pence per mile,it is 50 miles to get to the truck,so that is an hour each way,twice a day.

Your fault for getting a job where the truck was based so far away.

The 40p a mile set by HMRC is offset aginst tax so it works out at about 8p a mile.

skids:
The 40p a mile set by HMRC is offset aginst tax so it works out at about 8p a mile.

Is 45 ppm now, it changed this year. Over 10,000 miles it remains at 25 ppm.

skids:
The 40p a mile set by HMRC is offset aginst tax so it works out at about 8p a mile.

If you’re an employed driver then mileage payments of up to 45p/mile are free of tax for the first 10,000 miles per year so you get the whole 45p in your pocket. In my former life as an IT worker I used to make a lot of money out of this driving from our offices in Leeds to our sites around the country (Croydon, Watford, Birmingham and others) for the most trivial reasons I could come up with as the car I had at the time cost under 20p/mile to run (including everything, fuel, insurance, depreciation, repairs, servicing, etc).

Paul

repton:

skids:
The 40p a mile set by HMRC is offset aginst tax so it works out at about 8p a mile.

If you’re an employed driver then mileage payments of up to 45p/mile are free of tax for the first 10,000 miles per year so you get the whole 45p in your pocket. In my former life as an IT worker I used to make a lot of money out of this driving from our offices in Leeds to our sites around the country (Croydon, Watford, Birmingham and others) for the most trivial reasons I could come up with as the car I had at the time cost under 20p/mile to run (including everything, fuel, insurance, depreciation, repairs, servicing, etc).

Paul

i remember when we lived in wales the mrs had to travel to the swansea office everyday for 2 weeks instead of her normal office in cardiff, before she went they asked if she could do it in her own car and they would pay the mileage, we only had one car between us and it was a 4.0 V8 range rover, she earned a fortune those 2 weeks in expenses :smiley: :smiley:

Can’t see how. HMRC rates are fixed no matter what car you drive. You get 45ppm if you drive a 800cc fiat 126 or a 5L Yank tank. Anything you get paid over that is taxable at normal income tax rates.

Conor:
Can’t see how. HMRC rates are fixed no matter what car you drive. You get 45ppm if you drive a 800cc fiat 126 or a 5L Yank tank. Anything you get paid over that is taxable at normal income tax rates.

we are talking about 9 years ago and the rate was set by her employer depending on size of engine.
i can remember years ago working for an insulation supplier as a delivery driver and the reps got certain cars because of engine size and tax rates so it used to be a contributing factor, obviously now the taxman has closed that loophole

Conor:
Can’t see how. HMRC rates are fixed no matter what car you drive. You get 45ppm if you drive a 800cc fiat 126 or a 5L Yank tank. Anything you get paid over that is taxable at normal income tax rates.

It’s easy to see how then - just cost you only get 45ppm tax free that doesn’t stop your employer paying you a lot more than that, so you can easily make a lot of money if your employer is generous/stupid even after you have paid your tax.

Paul