I don’t carry my driving licence unless I am abroad, they can give me a producer the same as always.
limeyphil:
this is illegal. it’s like being forced to carry and ID card.
you don’t have to carry your licence, insurance, or mot with you.
whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty.
I agree.
Surely, they can check youv’e actaully done the DCPC crap like they can check if you have a valid liscense without you actually having to carry it?
This ■■■■■■■ place is starting to remind me of The great Escape when Steve McQueen gets to the border-“”" do you have your pappers■■?“”"
I suspect the requirement to carry proof of DCPC is so that checks can be made on drivers from other EU countries with minimal fuss. It would be trivial for UK police forces and VOSA to check the DCPC status of UK licence holders - but much more difficult for drivers from the remainder of the EU.
I had the dubious pleasure of spending several hours waiting at Nft Crick recently and there was a copy of an article about the dcpc on the notice board. Can’t remember what it said exactly but it was along the lines of;
“there are thousands of lorry drivers driving illegally as they have not got grandfather rights, nor have they completed the required hours to get the dcpc, yet NO ONE has been prosecuted (persecuted more like 
) for driving without the dcpc.”
Does anyone know of anybody that has been done for driving without a dcpc? 
Gembo:
limeyphil:
this is illegal. it’s like being forced to carry and ID card.
you don’t have to carry your licence, insurance, or mot with you.
whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty.I agree.
Surely, they can check youv’e actaully done the DCPC crap like they can check if you have a valid liscense without you actually having to carry it?
This [zb] place is starting to remind me of The great Escape when Steve McQueen gets to the border-“”" do you have your pappers■■?“”"
So do you think not having to carry your ADR licence would be ok.
Saratoga:
Yeah, um, right, er, Sam. No way!!!There are a few places and events that informally they want me to carry ID badges on display but their wording says only need to carry it. I’m not going to be clipping my ID to me unless they specifically required it and enforce it, the rest is just OTT.
Same with all identification. I carry it, and if you want to see it you have to ask. Easy, right?
I know you’re a new Class 1 driver and all but I think that is a bit OTT.
My choice not because I feel I have to, and it’s only there so I don’t forget it because I’d forget my head if it wasn’t screwed on… also should have noted that it’s clipped to my inside pocket, not on display like your post seems to insinuate 
weeto:
Gembo:
limeyphil:
this is illegal. it’s like being forced to carry and ID card.
you don’t have to carry your licence, insurance, or mot with you.
whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty.I agree.
Surely, they can check youv’e actaully done the DCPC crap like they can check if you have a valid liscense without you actually having to carry it?
This [zb] place is starting to remind me of The great Escape when Steve McQueen gets to the border-“”" do you have your pappers■■?“”"So do you think not having to carry your ADR licence would be ok.
I think the ADR, DQC, Driving Licence should be all on one plastic card
Wheel Nut:
I think the ADR, DQC, Driving Licence should be all on one plastic card
DCPC status can be shown on the driving licence (as 95 ■■.■■.xxxx against the relevant category/ies), but the UK chooses not to do so.
I expect, in time, we will ultimately have far fewer cards. I posted about that here
djw:
Wheel Nut:
I think the ADR, DQC, Driving Licence should be all on one plastic cardDCPC status can be shown on the driving licence (as 95 ■■.■■.xxxx against the relevant category/ies), but the UK chooses not to do so.
I expect, in time, we will ultimately have far fewer cards. I posted about that here
I prefer this method
turbot:
I had the dubious pleasure of spending several hours waiting at Nft Crick recently and there was a copy of an article about the dcpc on the notice board. Can’t remember what it said exactly but it was along the lines of;“there are thousands of lorry drivers driving illegally as they have not got grandfather rights, nor have they completed the required hours to get the dcpc, yet NO ONE has been prosecuted (persecuted more like
Does anyone know of anybody that has been done for driving without a dcpc?
As I understand it, the only peeps that don’t have grandfather rights are those that passed a car test from '97 and their first truck test after 10th Sept '09.
The above statement makes no sense, as the only people that don’t have grandfather rights are those that passed a truck test after 10th September 2009 after which the INITIAL Driver CPC was introduced, ie modules 2 & 4, which also means they’d have to pass hence they’re qualified.
wildfire:
Employers and drivers each face a £1,000 fine if they are found to be driving without their Driver Qualification Card (DQC), the Driver Standards Agency has warned.In association with the DSA, Vosa has begun handling out leaflets at enforcement checks clarifying the legal position around Driver CPC and the requirement to have a DQC with you at all times.
It clearly states that both the operator and driver face a fine if the driver can not produce his DQC when requested to do so by Vosa officials.
It means all new drivers must ensure they have their DQC on them at all times when working.
Drivers with grandfather rights (those driving before September 2009), which have until September 2014 to complete 35 hours of mandatory periodic training, will need to carry their cards after this deadline.
This is absolute bollox.
I gained my DCPC in Dec 2009 and as I have a paper licence, was not issued with a card but instead was issued a letter, which I’ll certainly not be carrying around. So VOSA can ■■■■ right off.
You have to APPLY FOR THE CARD. They don’t give it to you.
I should try reading the letter, carefully, and doing what it says.
Or you can pay the fine (might not be the full £1000 the first few times).
ThrustMaster:
wildfire:
Employers and drivers each face a £1,000 fine if they are found to be driving without their Driver Qualification Card (DQC), the Driver Standards Agency has warned.In association with the DSA, Vosa has begun handling out leaflets at enforcement checks clarifying the legal position around Driver CPC and the requirement to have a DQC with you at all times.
It clearly states that both the operator and driver face a fine if the driver can not produce his DQC when requested to do so by Vosa officials.
It means all new drivers must ensure they have their DQC on them at all times when working.
Drivers with grandfather rights (those driving before September 2009), which have until September 2014 to complete 35 hours of mandatory periodic training, will need to carry their cards after this deadline.
This is absolute bollox.
I gained my DCPC in Dec 2009 and as I have a paper licence, was not issued with a card but instead was issued a letter, which I’ll certainly not be carrying around. So VOSA can [zb] right off.
how can it be bollicks it was taken off the commerical motors web site, i would of thought they would of checked their facts before publishing it don’t you 
Wheel Nut:
I think the ADR, DQC, Driving Licence should be all on one plastic card
this would cost us more money, we will have to renew our combined card after doing each 7 hour stint. so if we do 7 hours each year, then we will have to apply for a new card each year.
and if the government realise there is another get rich quick scheme, then they will probably do it.
there is only one way out of all this. vote us out of europe by voting for UKIP.
limeyphil:
Wheel Nut:
I think the ADR, DQC, Driving Licence should be all on one plastic cardthis would cost us more money, we will have to renew our combined card after doing each 7 hour stint. so if we do 7 hours each year, then we will have to apply for a new card each year.
and if the government realise there is another get rich quick scheme, then they will probably do it.there is only one way out of all this. vote us out of europe by voting for UKIP.
once you have done the full 35 hrs you get the card, then its valid for 5 yrs if you are a new driver, or will be valid from when your grandfather rights expire, so you will start doing your next 35hrs during the next 5 yrs and get a new card once you have completed the required training that will run from when your existing card expires 
simples
ThrustMaster:
I gained my DCPC in Dec 2009 and as I have a paper licence, was not issued with a card but instead was issued a letter, which I’ll certainly not be carrying around. So VOSA can [zb] right off.
Issue of a DQC is automatic to anyone gaining DCPC in the UK who has a photocard licence - the photo and other information on the licensing database is used.
Regulation 11(2) of The Vehicle Drivers (Certificates of Professional Competence) Regulations 2007 says that, for UK drivers, a DQC or driving licence with the “95 and date” code against the relevant categories may be accepted as evidence of DCPC status. The UK has chosen not to indicate DCPC status on driving licences, so the only option left in Regulation 11(2) to UK drivers is a DQC.
It is important to remember what the law requires. Merely having DCPC is not enough - you have to carry proof of DCPC status when driving and LGV or PCV commercially. The law is active now: drivers should be carrying their DQC if they have one.
Those driving on acquired rights should carry their driving licence. The direct.gov web site says that as it is not mandatory to carry your licence, you can have a producer and your licence will be accepted as proof of acquired rights when you produce it at the police station. However, this is at odds with the law, which requires you to carry proof of DCPC.
There are some who have an exemption, mainly those going via the NVT route to DCPC who have a year to pass the Module 2 and Module 4 tests. These drivers should carry proof of exemption.
VOSA and the police will be tightening up on enforcement as we get closer to the deadline for acquired rights to expire. Drivers not carrying proof of DCPC status should expect to be prosecuted if stopped.
The offence is committed once you drive an LGV or PCV commercially without proof of DCPC. If you have DCPC but were not carrying proof, that may be accepted in mitigation, but is not a defence.
As I said, Regulation 11(2) leaves open the option of carrying alternative proof of DCPC status, but, in practice drivers will be expected to carry a DQC if they are entitled to one. Drivers carrying alternative proof may find themselves being prosecuted and being left to argue their proof was equivalent to a DQC in court. Why give yourself the hassle of potential prosecution?
There is certainly a strong expectation of paper licence holders driving LGVs and PCVs commercially that they will exchange their licence for a photocard one and follow the procedure in the letter to get their DQC.
Are there really that many left driving LGVs or PCVs commercially on a paper licence? The UK started to issue photocard licences in 1998, and, at that time, the minimum possible age for driving an LGV or PCV was 18 (yes, I know it was 21 in most circumstances). An 18 year old LGV driver gaining his LGV entitlement just before the switch would have an ‘until 45’ medical, so his LGV entitlement would run from 1998 for 27 years until 2025. Very few will have a paper licence with LGV entitlement that lasts this long.
Of course, there are also those driving C1 or C1E (up to 8.25t MAM) based on a pre-1997 car test pass with an ‘until 70’ licence. These drivers may remain on paper licences for many years to come.
The Road Safety Act 2006 inserted section 98A into the Road Traffic Act 1988. This empowers ministers to make an order for compulsory surrender of old-form licences, which can be paper licences or photocard licences not in the current style. The law requires ministers to offer a replacement licence in exchange for the surrendered licence, but a fee may be charged for that replacement licence. Those who do not want to pay will still be compelled to surrender their old licences; failure to surrender when required to do so is an offence.
At the moment, no such order has been made, but it has been suggested that the minister would like to make an order for compulsory surrender of paper licences but fears the political backlash. If any order is made, those with any vocational categories, including anyone who passed their car test before 1997 and still has their C1 entitlement, should expect to be in the first wave of compulsory exchange.
Maybe we will see a compulsory exchange order once the latest revision to photocard licences comes into effect on 19 January 2013. The alternative may be a process of attrition - applying for a digital tachograph card or completing a cycle of periodic DCPC will lead to mandatory recall and replacement of a paper licence.
I suspect the government would like to see the end of paper licences, as they are much easier to forge than a photocard licence.
wildfire:
limeyphil:
Wheel Nut:
I think the ADR, DQC, Driving Licence should be all on one plastic cardthis would cost us more money, we will have to renew our combined card after doing each 7 hour stint. so if we do 7 hours each year, then we will have to apply for a new card each year.
and if the government realise there is another get rich quick scheme, then they will probably do it.there is only one way out of all this. vote us out of europe by voting for UKIP.
once you have done the full 35 hrs you get the card, then its valid for 5 yrs if you are a new driver, or will be valid from when your grandfather rights expire, so you will start doing your next 35hrs during the next 5 yrs and get a new card once you have completed the required training that will run from when your existing card expires
you misread the post by wheel nut. he suggested a combined card.
limeyphil:
wildfire:
limeyphil:
Wheel Nut:
I think the ADR, DQC, Driving Licence should be all on one plastic cardthis would cost us more money, we will have to renew our combined card after doing each 7 hour stint. so if we do 7 hours each year, then we will have to apply for a new card each year.
and if the government realise there is another get rich quick scheme, then they will probably do it.there is only one way out of all this. vote us out of europe by voting for UKIP.
once you have done the full 35 hrs you get the card, then its valid for 5 yrs if you are a new driver, or will be valid from when your grandfather rights expire, so you will start doing your next 35hrs during the next 5 yrs and get a new card once you have completed the required training that will run from when your existing card expires
you misread the post by wheel nut. he suggested a combined card.
The card doesn’t show every 7 hour block of training, only when the 35 hours over 5 years is complete.
We are moving to five-yearly renewal of LGV and PCV entitlements (by declaration for those under 45, by medical for those over 45). Digital tachograph cards and Driver Qualification cards last five years. If a way can be found to align the respective expiry dates, then a combined licence / tacho / DQC with five year validity is possible.
Indeed. Alignment of all these cards is an important thing. The DVLA took a MONTH to reprint my drivers licence and yet it took only a week to get me my code 48 Digi replacement to me.
Blue CPC. Brown Digi, Pink DL plus LGV/PCV Medical all to happen together?
Now, my CPC expires in 2019. The Digicard in November this year, then in November of 2017. My DL in 2025. This new ‘medical’ thing is coming in in 2013 so 5 years after that is 2018.
So it’ll be renewed in 2018 then 2023, then 2025 and evey 5 years from then onwards.
So yeah, hopefully getting everything synchronised would be so nice 
Winseer:
Just how many licences are out there issued SINCE 2009 or whatever the cut-off acquired rights date was?I would have thought that 99% of drivers have the “grandfather rights” already, and therefore don’t carry the card until compelled to, which is still not yet.
Using very approximate figures - around 75,000 have passed some kind of D or C category but only 30,000 DQC have been issued by passing the initial CPC. Therefore around 45,000 are potentially driving without DCPC. of these some won’t be using the licence for a living (private use).
I have also read somewhere that the 4th most popular VOSA Graduated Fixed Penlty is failure to carry proof of DCPC - but not to sure how true that is. As far as I am aware there is a fixed penalty for failure to carry proof of DCPC.
I have alos come across drivers that have been given a penalty for no DCPC.