ferry rest

[jessicas_dad]

bloody hell ive never known such a grey area. on the liverpool - dublin ferry thursday night i could not get 3 drivers to give me the same answer regarding this.

thursday i started at 5am got to liverpool and started my daily rest at 19.20, emabarked for 15 mins back on rest. on the ferry at 20.30 back on rest till 5.30am 15mins off the ferry round to the topaz fueled up and run 30 mins down the road where i parked up for 2 hours to complete my rest.

now coming back i got to dublin port at 1500 straight onto the dock straight onto ferry movement onto the boat then daily rest, into liverpool at 2330 ferry mode off the boat for 15 mins striaght round to strand round and parked for 2.30hr then onwards home.

if i did 14 1/2hrs straight onto the ferry, pulled card 9 off on the ferry then new card in disembark and on my way is this legal.

[wheel_nut]

14.5 hours duty and breaks, 9 hours uninterrupted rest is fine as long as it fits into your 24 hour period.

On Thursday you did too many hours, as Neil has often mentioned to use the ferry you need to have a fairly short day to be able to fit all your work, driving and breaks, plus your two movements into a 24

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jessicas dad:
bloody hell ive never known such a grey area. on the liverpool - dublin ferry thursday night i could not get 3 drivers to give me the same answer regarding this.

thursday i started at 5am got to liverpool and started my daily rest at 19.20, emabarked for 15 mins back on rest. on the ferry at 20.30 back on rest till 5.30am 15mins off the ferry round to the topaz fueled up and run 30 mins down the road where i parked up for 2 hours to complete my rest.

You can only have an interrupted daily rest if the daily rest period is a regular (11 hours) daily rest period, If I’m understanding this correctly you’d done 14 hours 20 minutes when you started your daily rest period therefore you couldn’t have a regular 11 hour daily rest period within the 24 hours from start of shift so it’s illegal.

Journeys involving ferry or train transport
Where a driver accompanies a vehicle that is being transported by ferry or train, the daily rest requirements are more flexible.
A regular daily rest period may be interrupted no more than twice, but the total interruption must not exceed 1 hour in total. This allows for a vehicle to be driven on to a ferry and off again at the end of the crossing. Where the rest period is interrupted in this way, the total accumulated rest period must still be 11 hours. A bunk or couchette must be available during the rest period.

[coffeeholic]

jessicas dad:
bloody hell ive never known such a grey area. on the liverpool - dublin ferry thursday night i could not get 3 drivers to give me the same answer regarding this.

There is nothing grey about it, it’s just driver’s who have never read the regulations who think it is some extra mode only available to digital tacho users. Also there is no such thing as ferry rest and calling it such is where a lot of the confusion arises.

jessicas dad:
thursday i started at 5am got to liverpool and started my daily rest at 19.20, emabarked for 15 mins back on rest. on the ferry at 20.30 back on rest till 5.30am 15mins off the ferry round to the topaz fueled up and run 30 mins down the road where i parked up for 2 hours to complete my rest.

You started at 05:00 and it looks like you completed your daily rest by around 08:30 the next day, which is a day of 27.5 hours. However you may be okay if you did clock 9 hours rest between getting on the ferry and 05:30, assuming you had a reduced rest available. If you fell short of 9 hours rest while on board then your day wasn’t legal.

jessicas dad:
now coming back i got to dublin port at 1500 straight onto the dock straight onto ferry movement onto the boat then daily rest, into liverpool at 2330 ferry mode off the boat for 15 mins striaght round to strand round and parked for 2.30hr then onwards home.

Assuming you started at around 08:30 that day before arring at Dublin Port then that would be okay.

jessicas dad:
if i did 14 1/2hrs straight onto the ferry, pulled card 9 off on the ferry then new card in disembark and on my way is this legal.

Yes, that would be legal, assuming you have a reduced rest available, and in that situation you would go nowhere near the ferry option on the tacho.

If you are going to interrupt a rest to board and disembark a ferry you cannot work more than about 12 - 12.5 hours in the shift leading up to the ferry crossing. This is because you can only interrupt an 11-hour rest and the normal daily rest requirements of the shift and the rest totalling no more than 24 hours still applies. 12.5 hour shift + 11 hours rest = 23.5 hours leaving you 30 minutes for the two interruptions to board and disembark.

To remove any doubts about a grey area here is an example of using the ferry option.

Work 12 hours and arrive at the port, book on and join the lanes waiting to board.
Enter end country and put tacho on rest mode.
Wait for 2 hours then boarding begins.
Go into menu, select ferry option* change mode to other work then drive on board when called forward, (15 minutes).
On board select rest mode on the tacho.
Return to vehicle when disembarkation begins after 7 hour crossing. Change mode to other work, go into menu and press ferry option* then drive off ferry when called forward, (20 minutes).
Park up, select rest mode and take remaining 2 hours of rest.
Change mode to other work, enter begin country and crack on.

12 hours work + 2 hours rest + 15 minute interruption + 7 hours rest + 20 minutes interruption + 2 hour rest = 23 hours and 35 minutes from when you resumed work after your last daily rest and 11 hours rest taken so all legal.

*This marks the data, it puts a pictogram of a ferry on the printout if you take one and look, to show why you have interrupted your rest. So, just think of that option as a digital version of the pen you would have used to write on the back of a tacho chart to explain the interruption(s) and its use will be clearer and the grey will now be black and white.

[jessicas_dad]

cheers neil.

[spectron]

Coffeeholic:

jessicas dad:
bloody hell ive never known such a grey area. on the liverpool - dublin ferry thursday night i could not get 3 drivers to give me the same answer regarding this.

There is nothing grey about it, it’s just driver’s who have never read the regulations who think it is some extra mode only available to digital tacho users. Also there is no such thing as ferry rest and calling it such is where a lot of the confusion arises.

jessicas dad:
thursday i started at 5am got to liverpool and started my daily rest at 19.20, emabarked for 15 mins back on rest. on the ferry at 20.30 back on rest till 5.30am 15mins off the ferry round to the topaz fueled up and run 30 mins down the road where i parked up for 2 hours to complete my rest.

You started at 05:00 and it looks like you completed your daily rest by around 08:30 the next day, which is a day of 27.5 hours. However you may be okay if you did clock 9 hours rest between getting on the ferry and 05:30, assuming you had a reduced rest available. If you fell short of 9 hours rest while on board then your day wasn’t legal.

jessicas dad:
now coming back i got to dublin port at 1500 straight onto the dock straight onto ferry movement onto the boat then daily rest, into liverpool at 2330 ferry mode off the boat for 15 mins striaght round to strand round and parked for 2.30hr then onwards home.

Assuming you started at around 08:30 that day before arring at Dublin Port then that would be okay.

jessicas dad:
if i did 14 1/2hrs straight onto the ferry, pulled card 9 off on the ferry then new card in disembark and on my way is this legal.

Yes, that would be legal, assuming you have a reduced rest available, and in that situation you would go nowhere near the ferry option on the tacho.

If you are going to interrupt a rest to board and disembark a ferry you cannot work more than about 12 - 12.5 hours in the shift leading up to the ferry crossing. This is because you can only interrupt an 11-hour rest and the normal daily rest requirements of the shift and the rest totalling no more than 24 hours still applies. 12.5 hour shift + 11 hours rest = 23.5 hours leaving you 30 minutes for the two interruptions to board and disembark.

To remove any doubts about a grey area here is an example of using the ferry option.

Work 12 hours and arrive at the port, book on and join the lanes waiting to board.
Enter end country and put tacho on rest mode.
Wait for 2 hours then boarding begins.
Go into menu, select ferry option* change mode to other work then drive on board when called forward, (15 minutes).
On board select rest mode on the tacho.
Return to vehicle when disembarkation begins after 7 hour crossing. Change mode to other work, go into menu and press ferry option* then drive off ferry when called forward, (20 minutes).
Park up, select rest mode and take remaining 2 hours of rest.
Change mode to other work, enter begin country and crack on.

12 hours work + 2 hours rest + 15 minute interruption + 7 hours rest + 20 minutes interruption + 2 hour rest = 23 hours and 35 minutes from when you resumed work after your last daily rest and 11 hours rest taken so all legal.

*This marks the data, it puts a pictogram of a ferry on the printout if you take one and look, to show why you have interrupted your rest. So, just think of that option as a digital version of the pen you would have used to write on the back of a tacho chart to explain the interruption(s) and its use will be clearer and the grey will now be black and white.

■■■■ me you know your ■■■■.

[coffeeholic]

spectron:

Coffeeholic:

jessicas dad:
bloody hell ive never known such a grey area. on the liverpool - dublin ferry thursday night i could not get 3 drivers to give me the same answer regarding this.

There is nothing grey about it, it’s just driver’s who have never read the regulations who think it is some extra mode only available to digital tacho users. Also there is no such thing as ferry rest and calling it such is where a lot of the confusion arises.

jessicas dad:
thursday i started at 5am got to liverpool and started my daily rest at 19.20, emabarked for 15 mins back on rest. on the ferry at 20.30 back on rest till 5.30am 15mins off the ferry round to the topaz fueled up and run 30 mins down the road where i parked up for 2 hours to complete my rest.

You started at 05:00 and it looks like you completed your daily rest by around 08:30 the next day, which is a day of 27.5 hours. However you may be okay if you did clock 9 hours rest between getting on the ferry and 05:30, assuming you had a reduced rest available. If you fell short of 9 hours rest while on board then your day wasn’t legal.

jessicas dad:
now coming back i got to dublin port at 1500 straight onto the dock straight onto ferry movement onto the boat then daily rest, into liverpool at 2330 ferry mode off the boat for 15 mins striaght round to strand round and parked for 2.30hr then onwards home.

Assuming you started at around 08:30 that day before arring at Dublin Port then that would be okay.

jessicas dad:
if i did 14 1/2hrs straight onto the ferry, pulled card 9 off on the ferry then new card in disembark and on my way is this legal.

Yes, that would be legal, assuming you have a reduced rest available, and in that situation you would go nowhere near the ferry option on the tacho.

If you are going to interrupt a rest to board and disembark a ferry you cannot work more than about 12 - 12.5 hours in the shift leading up to the ferry crossing. This is because you can only interrupt an 11-hour rest and the normal daily rest requirements of the shift and the rest totalling no more than 24 hours still applies. 12.5 hour shift + 11 hours rest = 23.5 hours leaving you 30 minutes for the two interruptions to board and disembark.

To remove any doubts about a grey area here is an example of using the ferry option.

Work 12 hours and arrive at the port, book on and join the lanes waiting to board.
Enter end country and put tacho on rest mode.
Wait for 2 hours then boarding begins.
Go into menu, select ferry option* change mode to other work then drive on board when called forward, (15 minutes).
On board select rest mode on the tacho.
Return to vehicle when disembarkation begins after 7 hour crossing. Change mode to other work, go into menu and press ferry option* then drive off ferry when called forward, (20 minutes).
Park up, select rest mode and take remaining 2 hours of rest.
Change mode to other work, enter begin country and crack on.

12 hours work + 2 hours rest + 15 minute interruption + 7 hours rest + 20 minutes interruption + 2 hour rest = 23 hours and 35 minutes from when you resumed work after your last daily rest and 11 hours rest taken so all legal.

*This marks the data, it puts a pictogram of a ferry on the printout if you take one and look, to show why you have interrupted your rest. So, just think of that option as a digital version of the pen you would have used to write on the back of a tacho chart to explain the interruption(s) and its use will be clearer and the grey will now be black and white.

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