8wheels:
I’'d better not get stopped then, I only remove my card for holidays or workshop visits. I’ll take my chances with it, I tell it where I start and finish when the card goes in & out and I never go anywhere else. More unnecessary work in my eyes.
And more reasons for VOSA to fine ya on B/S infringements.
Just suppose you live near the southern ports, you could be putting UK on the starting card and then cross 11 international borders. It isnt difficult to enter the start and finish country and it asks you anyway.
No one would leave the second location part of an analogue chart blank and that is much harder work than pushing a button. You have to work out where you are 
weeto:
repton:
weeto:
How is it recorded as an offence? That’s what I wanted to know!It isn’t recorded anywhere in the tacho or on your card as an offence, because the offence is the lack of start and finish locations recorded for each shift.
So the offence will only come to light when VOSA analyse your card and find the start and finish country records aren’t there.
Paul
Sounds a bit dodgy when only VOSA can say you have commited an offence.
Surely any information on the card, should be revieled on a print out as well!
I’m pretty sure anyone, including yourself, can check it.
Do a printout of a day.
Look for the country at the start and end of your shift.
If it isn’t there, then you have committed an offence.
I’ve not tried this myself because I take my card out at the end of every shift, but I am almost certain that if you don’t enter the start and finish country that it won’t show it on the printout. Tachograph has shown an example further up this topic of where it will be shown.
Paul
Wheel Nut:
No one would leave the second location part of an analogue chart blank and that is much harder work than pushing a button. You have to work out where you are
This is why I don’t understand why anyone would get so bothered about it, drivers have always had to put the start and end location on charts, in fact as far as I can remember we had to do it on log sheets before tachographs were used, so why is it such a problem having to do it with digital tachographs 
Anyway it won’t be a problem for too much longer, digital tachographs will eventually have the start and end locations inserted automatically by using GPS.
Wheel Nut:
Just suppose you live near the southern ports, you could be putting UK on the starting card and then cross 11 international borders. It isnt difficult to enter the start and finish country and it asks you anyway.No one would leave the second location part of an analogue chart blank and that is much harder work than pushing a button. You have to work out where you are
Now you put it like that I suppose it does make a bit more sense, to my mind the tacho should ask you when you resume work after a 9hr break but I know that’s asking too much. My tacho will reset the driving the hours clock if you have a 20 min then a 25 minute break so it’s not the most intelligent device.
Accepting that start and end location should be recorded, please could someone explain to me why that is important or relevant. Being a UK only driver I can’t see why that would be needed.
Cheers
Just to add to this, unlike the old version of a digitacho which asks you to select country when you insert and remove your digicard, the latest digitachos don’t give you this option by default, all it asks is manual entry Y/N. that’s it.
Copy of printout from Friday shown below;
The start location (UK) and time is shown correctly. The end location wasn’t entered when the card was withdrawn hence the blank space under the start location. The odometer readings at start and end are missing, although the distance travelled is shown. Have got to do a manual entry to account for working time after the card was withdrawn so we’ll see if I can enter location duty ended on Wednesday am when I next use the card.
As it stands it’s easy to spot the offence, there should be two entries, one below the other.
Hi tachograph just reading this thread and wondered what the symbols on both the printouts was plz
1 above the 193 klm like a star ? 2nd the two set of wheels to the right ? thanks
sayley-boy:
Hi tachograph just reading this thread and wondered what the symbols on both the printouts was plz
1 above the 193 klm like a star ? 2nd the two set of wheels to the right ? thanks
In the top image where it shows 193 km, that’s the kilometres driven since the card was inserted, you can see it repeated in the total summary.
The star above the 193 km is actually beside the rest period of 01h33 and identifies a rest period of 1 hour or more, it’s a throwback to the old rules and can be ignored.
In the image above where there are two driver symbols after the activity it shows the vehicle was being double manned at that time, the last total in the summary where it shows the two driver symbols side by side then 00h52 is the total time the vehicle was double manned since the driver card was inserted.
Many thanks Tachograph 
As someone who leaves his card in for two weeks at a time and is regularly pulled by VOSA or the police, this has not been mentioned once. The tacho will default to the last chosen country at the start and end of each day and only needs to be changed when you are starting or finishing in a different country. Why do drivers seem to get their knickers into such a twist over nothing, most people on here are doing Uk work and even less are pulled into weighbridges so the whole card in card out or entering the country each day is a non issue
mazzer:
As someone who leaves his card in for two weeks at a time and is regularly pulled by VOSA or the police, this has not been mentioned once. The tacho will default to the last chosen country at the start and end of each day and only needs to be changed when you are starting or finishing in a different country. Why do drivers seem to get their knickers into such a twist over nothing, most people on here are doing Uk work and even less are pulled into weighbridges so the whole card in card out or entering the country each day is a non issue
Perhaps you could point us to the part of the regulations that say you only have to record the country when you start of finish in a different country ?
In the mean time here’s a link to the Enforcement Sanctions Policy where on page 145 you’ll find a possible fixed penalty of £50 for failing to enter the symbol of the country where the daily work period starts or ends.
Or you may prefer article 15 5a of (EEC) No 3821/85 where it says:
The driver shall enter in the recording equipment in conformity
with Annex IB the symbols of the countries in which he begins and
ends his daily work period
How hard is it to pull it out (fnaar fnaar) to avoid any problems at all? It must take a whole 30 seconds to put it in and log on, and a whole 90 seconds to pull at the end of each shift.
tachograph:
mazzer:
As someone who leaves his card in for two weeks at a time and is regularly pulled by VOSA or the police, this has not been mentioned once. The tacho will default to the last chosen country at the start and end of each day and only needs to be changed when you are starting or finishing in a different country. Why do drivers seem to get their knickers into such a twist over nothing, most people on here are doing Uk work and even less are pulled into weighbridges so the whole card in card out or entering the country each day is a non issuePerhaps you could point us to the part of the regulations that say you only have to record the country when you start of finish in a different country ?
In the mean time here’s a link to the Enforcement Sanctions Policy where on page 145 you’ll find a possible fixed penalty of £50 for failing to enter the symbol of the country where the daily work period starts or ends.
Or you may prefer article 15 5a of (EEC) No 3821/85 where it says:
The driver shall enter in the recording equipment in conformity
with Annex IB the symbols of the countries in which he begins and
ends his daily work period
if you have not changed the country then it defaults to the last setting so by default you are stating which country you are starting in. In the real world this suffices i have never had anyone question this when i have been pulled. You will learn more from being pulled and speaking to vosa than you will anywhere else plus it is free
mazzer:
if you have not changed the country then it defaults to the last setting so by default you are stating which country you are starting in. In the real world this suffices i have never had anyone question this when i have been pulled. You will learn more from being pulled and speaking to vosa than you will anywhere else plus it is free
If you don’t eject the driver card the tachograph won’t default to any country, the tachograph doesn’t know you’re finishing your daily work period so how could it default to a particular country
mazzer:
As someone who leaves his card in for two weeks at a time and is regularly pulled by VOSA or the police, this has not been mentioned once. The tacho will default to the last chosen country at the start and end of each day and only needs to be changed when you are starting or finishing in a different country. Why do drivers seem to get their knickers into such a twist over nothing, most people on here are doing Uk work and even less are pulled into weighbridges so the whole card in card out or entering the country each day is a non issue
I only ever eject my card once every 28 days, to do the analysis, and I never enter start and finish countries as I’m always in the UK.
I use Tachomaster for the analysis and it never flags up failing to enter the start and finish country as an infringement. So it isn’t an infringement.
tachograph:
mazzer:
if you have not changed the country then it defaults to the last setting so by default you are stating which country you are starting in. In the real world this suffices i have never had anyone question this when i have been pulled. You will learn more from being pulled and speaking to vosa than you will anywhere else plus it is freeIf you don’t eject the driver card the tachograph won’t default to any country, the tachograph doesn’t know you’re finishing your daily work period so how could it default to a particular country
ok agreed maybe didn’t word that clearly but if you haven’t made an entry then it will remain on the country that you started in when you first inserted your card. The point i am trying to make is that unless you have changed countries and not made the correct entries then vosa will not pull you about for it unless you have failed the attitude test in which case you only have yourself to blame. The main point to take from this thread is that what the op is saying is not true vosa will not do you for leaving your card in or for not stating UK at the start and finish of each shift if you have not left the UK
tachograph:
Wheel Nut:
No one would leave the second location part of an analogue chart blank and that is much harder work than pushing a button. You have to work out where you areThis is why I don’t understand why anyone would get so bothered about it, drivers have always had to put the start and end location on charts, in fact as far as I can remember we had to do it on log sheets before tachographs were used, so why is it such a problem having to do it with digital tachographs
Anyway it won’t be a problem for too much longer, digital tachographs will eventually have the start and end locations inserted automatically by using GPS.
In the olden days, we had to write on the log sheet where we were for every break, as well as the rest. And putting the nosebag on the horses was other work too.
Just one other thing,( if you leave your card in from start to finish , without making any manual entries as to what country you stated/finished in each day )
If you are doing euro work and start in the uk, unless VOSA stop you on your return to the UK , after your first shift had ended , then how would they know where you had driven from when you started until you finished 2 weeks later back in the uk ?
At the end of the day hours driven and duty time & speed are the main things of concern, if you have stayed within the drivers hours regs then does it really matter?
tommy t:
Just one other thing, If you are doing euro work and start in the uk, unless VOSA stop you on your return to the UK , after your first shift had ended , then how whould they know where you had driven from when you started until you finished 2 weeks later back in the uk ?
because the card is marked at the time that you make the entry of the country you are starting or finishing in. If you are in a country that does not match your card when stopped then best get your cheque book out.
to add yes it does matter because this is one way of checking if you are breaking the cabotage rules