Eu referendum whats your vote

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Bewick:
And your Pie chart is a [zb] joke also and for good measure you are taking for granted that all those who couldn’t be bothered to turn out and vote would have voted Remain----Bollox

The chart does clearly show that of the votes cast the majority were in favour of leaving, true. And that IS the way these things are decided, true.
It neither shows a majority of the UK population in favour of Brexit, nor does it show a majority against it.

Buzzer:
Sounds like your beef is with the 12,948,018 who did not bother to vote, had every one been made to vote I wonder what the count would have been then, Buzzer.

Good point. Now we know what Brexit looks like, maybe we should ask the question again? Maybe those who counldnt be arsed before would like a say now the issues are becoming clearer? If as Buzzer, Bewick, Gazsa seem to believe the true majority are for Brexit, then wed find out woukdnt we? Is that undemocratic? I can see that a lot of leavers would be extremely upset if the previous vote were to be overturned. They would feel cheated. The way this has all gone is just a sign about how badly considered was the initial referendum, by arguably the worst Prime Minister weve had for ages.

Bewick:
The Frogs and the Krauts have never, nor will ever, accept the UK as equals in the EU

Why do you say that?

Bewick:
The EU do more Trade with the UK than in the other direction and where Trade is concerned the Dutchmen/Krauts/Frogs/Spaniards and the Scans will fall over themselves to carry on Trading with the UK as they have for many a year !

Why do you say that?
Havent the past two years of talks given the lie to all that nonsense? The EU really isnt giving us all we want is it?

“There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside.” David Davies Oct 2016
“The day after we vote to leave we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want.” Michael Gove April 2016
“There will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market.” Boris Johnson Jun 2016
“Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy – the UK holds most of the cards in any negotiation” John Redwood Jul 2016
“To me, Brexit is easy.” Nigel Farage Sept 2016
“The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history.” Liam Fox Sept 2017
Those were the predictions of notable leavers, the events have shown what worth they have.

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Franglais:

Bewick:
The EU do more Trade with the UK than in the other direction and where Trade is concerned the Dutchmen/Krauts/Frogs/Spaniards and the Scans will fall over themselves to carry on Trading with the UK as they have for many a year !

Why do you say that?
Havent the past two years of talks given the lie to all that nonsense? The EU really isnt giving us all we want is it?

“There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside.” David Davies Oct 2016
“The day after we vote to leave we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want.” Michael Gove April 2016
“There will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market.” Boris Johnson Jun 2016
“Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy – the UK holds most of the cards in any negotiation” John Redwood Jul 2016
“To me, Brexit is easy.” Nigel Farage Sept 2016
“The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history.” Liam Fox Sept 2017
Those were the predictions of notable leavers, the events have shown what worth they have.

No the past two years have shown what happens when we allow your federalist rabble in the form of May and Hammond to hijack and sabotage Brexit just as Cameron intended when the referendum vote rigging stunt didn’t go to plan.As for your bs pie chart you do know that the turnout for the 2016 referendum was 72% v 64% in 1975 probably because your corrupt Soviet dictatorship managed to intercept,lose and destroy more NO vote ballot papers then.Haven’t heard any complaints from remainers about that nor the usual 18+ voting age limit in that case either for some reason.

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gazsa401:
Does Catalonia count as a small/region that the EU cares for??

It all makes sense if you define taking care of business in the sense of the Mafia’s definition.

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Spardo:
Well I think that just sums up this thread, or at least the greater proportion of it. The Yesterday Channel :laughing:

You obviously support a Roman type of government imposed across Europe that’s what I’d call retarded.

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Franglais:

Bewick:
And your Pie chart is a [zb] joke also and for good measure you are taking for granted that all those who couldn’t be bothered to turn out and vote would have voted Remain----Bollox

The chart does clearly show that of the votes cast the majority were in favour of leaving, true. And that IS the way these things are decided, true.
It neither shows a majority of the UK population in favour of Brexit, nor does it show a majority against it.

Buzzer:
Sounds like your beef is with the 12,948,018 who did not bother to vote, had every one been made to vote I wonder what the count would have been then, Buzzer.

Good point. Now we know what Brexit looks like, maybe we should ask the question again? Maybe those who counldnt be arsed before would like a say now the issues are becoming clearer? If as Buzzer, Bewick, Gazsa seem to believe the true majority are for Brexit, then wed find out woukdnt we? Is that undemocratic? I can see that a lot of leavers would be extremely upset if the previous vote were to be overturned. They would feel cheated. The way this has all gone is just a sign about how badly considered was the initial referendum, by arguably the worst Prime Minister weve had for ages.

Bewick:
The Frogs and the Krauts have never, nor will ever, accept the UK as equals in the EU

Why do you say that?

Bewick:
The EU do more Trade with the UK than in the other direction and where Trade is concerned the Dutchmen/Krauts/Frogs/Spaniards and the Scans will fall over themselves to carry on Trading with the UK as they have for many a year !

Why do you say that?
Havent the past two years of talks given the lie to all that nonsense? The EU really isnt giving us all we want is it?

“There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside.” David Davies Oct 2016
“The day after we vote to leave we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want.” Michael Gove April 2016
“There will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market.” Boris Johnson Jun 2016
“Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy – the UK holds most of the cards in any negotiation” John Redwood Jul 2016
“To me, Brexit is easy.” Nigel Farage Sept 2016
“The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history.” Liam Fox Sept 2017
Those were the predictions of notable leavers, the events have shown what worth they have.

One thing you conveniently omit from all this is we have been led by a staunch remainer who should never have been given the job bearing in mind her views on Brexit , not rocket science is it … or is it ?

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ramone:
One thing you conveniently omit from all this is we have been led by a staunch remainer who should never have been given the job bearing in mind her views on Brexit , not rocket science is it … or is it ?

I wouldn’t call her a staunch remainer, if my memory serves me right she took some time before rather weakly saying that staying in the EU was probably the best course. Sounded to me at the time that it was purely a wish to be on the (she thought) winning side. A bit like BoJo who had the same thought in the opposite direction.

In any case, what difference does it make, both of her 1st 2 Brexit negotiators were Leavers? The fact that the first one was a lazy sod who didn’t even take all his brief with him to meetings, and the fact that the second one was only there 5 minutes before stomping out in a huff (he must have known what was on the cards before he took the job) can hardly be laid at her door, though I do agree that she has made a real dog’s breakfast of it mainly because she wants to be PM at any cost.

When she was on Desert Island Discs some years ago she admitted to being angry when Maggie became leader of the party and then Prime Minister. Not because she thought that Maggie wasn’t up to the job, but because she wanted, from a very early age, to be the first female PM. Having got it, she is hanging on despite having hardly a friend who thinks she should keep it.

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whisperingsmith:
If we were all snowed up somewhere like say the bottom of Imranli in January in spite of our differences we would all chip in a can for Camion Stew & cram in an F88 or worse ( if my Merc wasn’t there) & help each other out to the death.

The worst thing about Brexit is how it has spit the people & the UK:( countries of the Union) - whatever happens, I dearly hope we recover, as at the moment Brexit looks like destroying all that togetherness we once had.

And for those that still cling to the belief that they had a majority for Leave- take a deep breath & maybe think of your fellow men for once

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Do you have a chart that shows how the voting went when we joined the EEC (remember … the Common Market ? )

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ramone:
One thing you conveniently omit from all this is we have been led by a staunch remainer who should never have been given the job bearing in mind her views on Brexit , not rocket science is it … or is it ?

Im not sure why you say "conveniently omit"? She is the democratically elected P.M. after all. She was "given the job" by the electorate. She put David Davies in as Brexit Secretary and negotiator. Who should have been there, then? Seems to me itd make no difference who was there, Davies tried hard to make those dreams come true, Im sure, but dreams are just that. No P.M. or negotiator can magic up` the promises made by the leave campaign.

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Franglais:

ramone:
One thing you conveniently omit from all this is we have been led by a staunch remainer who should never have been given the job bearing in mind her views on Brexit , not rocket science is it … or is it ?

Im not sure why you say "conveniently omit"? She is the democratically elected P.M. after all. She was "given the job" by the electorate. She put David Davies in as Brexit Secretary and negotiator. Who should have been there, then? Seems to me itd make no difference who was there, Davies tried hard to make those dreams come true, Im sure, but dreams are just that. No P.M. or negotiator can magic up` the promises made by the leave campaign.

Since when did you recognise a democratic vote ?

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Just watching the evening news on BBC to see that one of the companies that has been awarded contracts for shipping trucks across the channel in the event of a backlog caused by a no deal Brexit ( don’t panic Captain Mannering ) is Seabourn Freight 17 million pounds, they are an off the shelf company with net assets of 66 pounds, yes that is right 66 pounds according to the BBC. They have no ships to do this work so another mammoth balls up by Chris Grayling and the Conservatives, you could not make this up and apparently they were thoroughly vetted before getting this contract, no wonder the country is in such a frigging mess with people with no brains running it.
Anyways I would have thought it was up to the Frogs to sort that problem out as all the traffic is coming from there side and I thought all trade was going to stop once we leave so what’s going on, seems just another case of wasting tax payers money to me, Buzzer.

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> ramone:
> Do you have a chart that shows how the voting went when we joined the EEC (remember … the Common Market ? )

Nota chart but a study of 1975: The referendums of 1975 and 2016 illustrate the continuity and change in British Euroscepticism | LSE BREXIT

Conclusion
Comparing the patterns of voting, support for membership in both popular votes was concentrated amongst those with higher socioeconomic status.

In 1975, pro-leave voting was more common amongst those in younger age groups; the opposite was the case in 2016. In 1975, those in living Scotland, Labour party supporters, and those of a left-wing disposition were strong components of the anti-Common Market vote, as were readers of the Daily Mirror.

In 2016, the forces of the political right – whether based on party support for UKIP or the Conservatives, or anti-welfare and social authoritarian ideological dispositions, or newspaper readership – were pivotal to the decision to leave.

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Spardo:

ramone:
One thing you conveniently omit from all this is we have been led by a staunch remainer who should never have been given the job bearing in mind her views on Brexit , not rocket science is it … or is it ?

I wouldn’t call her a staunch remainer, if my memory serves me right she took some time before rather weakly saying that staying in the EU was probably the best course. Sounded to me at the time that it was purely a wish to be on the (she thought) winning side. A bit like BoJo who had the same thought in the opposite direction.

In any case, what difference does it make, both of her 1st 2 Brexit negotiators were Leavers? The fact that the first one was a lazy sod who didn’t even take all his brief with him to meetings, and the fact that the second one was only there 5 minutes before stomping out in a huff (he must have known what was on the cards before he took the job) can hardly be laid at her door, though I do agree that she has made a real dog’s breakfast of it mainly because she wants to be PM at any cost.

First it’s whingeing about a 72 % turnout and now it’s May is a supposed closet Brexiteer.Federalists making it up as they go as it suits them nothing new there.

As for what difference does it make.Don’t remember May giving either Davis or Raab carte blanche in the form of supreme command of the Brexit process as opposed to her and Federalist quisling Hammond running the show behind the scenes.That’s if anyone within the Conservative European Federalist Party could be trusted with a secessionist agenda anyway.

While it’s clear that anything other than reversing Brexit sooner or later is considered a dogs breakfast to the remain side with their so called ‘opposition’ to May’s ‘deal’ being a big act as part of that agenda.On that note we voted to leave the EU we didn’t vote for any ‘deal’ which maintained EU rule over the country.We also voted on exactly the same basis regarding the age limits placed on voters and on a larger turnout figure than the remainers were obviously happy with in the 1975 stitch up all based on Heath withholding FCO 30/1048 from the electorate.

It’s equally clear who the corrupt liars are here and it ain’t the leave side.Just as in the case of all the other examples of the stinking EU illegal rogue state refusing to recognise electoral mandates which limit its powers or which dare to put a brake on its wannabee superstate intentions.

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Buzzer:
Just watching the evening news on BBC to see that one of the companies that has been awarded contracts for shipping trucks across the channel in the event of a backlog caused by a no deal Brexit ( don’t panic Captain Mannering ) is Seabourn Freight 17 million pounds, they are an off the shelf company with net assets of 66 pounds, yes that is right 66 pounds according to the BBC. They have no ships to do this work so another mammoth balls up by Chris Grayling and the Conservatives, you could not make this up and apparently they were thoroughly vetted before getting this contract, no wonder the country is in such a frigging mess with people with no brains running it.
Anyways I would have thought it was up to the Frogs to sort that problem out as all the traffic is coming from there side and I thought all trade was going to stop once we leave so what’s going on, seems just another case of wasting tax payers money to me, Buzzer.

I just checked the date…nope not April 1st yet…

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whisperingsmith:
In 1975, pro-leave voting was more common amongst those in younger age groups

As I said by Remainers’ logic the 1975 referendum was invalid and should have been re run with a 16 + age limit.In which case that and the fact that FCO 30/1048 was deliberately with held from the electorate makes our EU membership equally invalid since 1975.That’s assuming anyone even agrees that it’s ok to vote a nation state out of existence.

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I`m speechless.
Almost.

Brexit is such a balls up, and even Mr Buzzer thinks it`s so bad, he wants the French to help us out!

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Buzzer:
Just watching the evening news on BBC to see that one of the companies that has been awarded contracts for shipping trucks across the channel in the event of a backlog caused by a no deal Brexit ( don’t panic Captain Mannering ) is Seabourn Freight 17 million pounds, they are an off the shelf company with net assets of 66 pounds, yes that is right 66 pounds according to the BBC. They have no ships to do this work so another mammoth balls up by Chris Grayling and the Conservatives, you could not make this up and apparently they were thoroughly vetted before getting this contract, no wonder the country is in such a frigging mess with people with no brains running it.
Anyways I would have thought it was up to the Frogs to sort that problem out as all the traffic is coming from there side and I thought all trade was going to stop once we leave so what’s going on, seems just another case of wasting tax payers money to me, Buzzer.

Nice Yoke Buzzer were those three “Boys” all related by chance Cheers Dennis.

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Franglais:
I`m speechless.
Almost.

Brexit is such a balls up, and even Mr Buzzer thinks it`s so bad, he wants the French to help us out!

Not a balls up but deliberate sabotage as expected of the Conservative European Federalist Party.As for the French we can bet that Macron would be the first to go crying to the ECHR,of which we are obviously still under the juristiction of more than 2 years after the vote to ‘leave’,if we stopped the invasion that Macron and Merkel have invited into Europe.

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Apparently if we do manage to leave without a “deal” the EU will be down £10 billion per annum in their bent budget which is the net sum we pay ! And the deficit will be down to the Gerries to make good and Oooooo! it is now just dawning upon them and they are not “Happy Bunnies” ! Can’t happen quick enough for me so roll on the “29” and hopefully it will be “Hasta la Vista baby” or words to that effect ! Bewick

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Bewick:

Buzzer:
Just watching the evening news on BBC to see that one of the companies that has been awarded contracts for shipping trucks across the channel in the event of a backlog caused by a no deal Brexit ( don’t panic Captain Mannering ) is Seabourn Freight 17 million pounds, they are an off the shelf company with net assets of 66 pounds, yes that is right 66 pounds according to the BBC. They have no ships to do this work so another mammoth balls up by Chris Grayling and the Conservatives, you could not make this up and apparently they were thoroughly vetted before getting this contract, no wonder the country is in such a frigging mess with people with no brains running it.
Anyways I would have thought it was up to the Frogs to sort that problem out as all the traffic is coming from there side and I thought all trade was going to stop once we leave so what’s going on, seems just another case of wasting tax payers money to me, Buzzer.

Nice Yoke Buzzer were those three “Boys” all related by chance Cheers Dennis.

Yes they are related Dennis, all by a stallion called " Manno " very famous in Holland and must have earnt a few quid for his breeder, they are all good steppers and going back in the breeding line was a Hackney stallion called " Cambridge Coal " and as his name suggests was black in colour, the picture was taken by someone I don’t even know but was used on the BBC weather report that somebody must have sent in but a good one at that, Buzzer

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