Eu referendum whats your vote

Juddian:

ramone:
Surprise surprise good old Tony Blair says there will be another referendum ,Tony being on the payroll of the gravy train. When did he ever give a toss about this country with his human rights law that his wife made millions out of then off to the EU to finish the job :wink:

That sod has to be the most hated creation on earth, though recent tory PM’s have been trying hard to push him from pole position.

More like enthusiastically standing shoulder to shoulder with him on the Rostrum.What are the military and the Queen waiting for we’ve seen enough now for them to go for a public backed coup d etat against a rogue parliament and the arrest of Blair as part of that.Oh wait she’s on their side. :unamused:

I only have two words to say to Tony Blair: Die today.

Buzzer:
Last night while on the old computer I was trolling FB not every ones cup of tea I know but there was a piece on there from a meeting of a group called " leave means leave " and two of the speakers on there I really liked was the owner of Wetherspoons, Tim +++++++ and also Rees-Mogg neither of them shout as Nigel Farage did just good honest facts about Brexit, especially RM who was a pleasure to listen too, I shared it to my time line and only wish I had the computing skills to put it on here but I don’t, Cheers Buzzer.

Not F-book but if you go on Wetherspoon`s site Tim Martin has a lot of stuff on his Brexit views…
jdwetherspoon.com/

cav551:
I only have two words to say to Tony Blair: Die today.

Picture the scene when he and his cohorts order British forces into action against Russia under the EU flag and they find themselves facing a firing squad as mercenaries waging war under the illegal flag of an illegal unrecognised State that somehow ā€˜forgot’ to even declare de Jure status let alone gain international de Facto recognition by Russia as such. :open_mouth:

Which leaves the question if Trump is supposedly all for Brexit why hasn’t the US unilaterally de recognised UK EU member state status and declared the EU an illegal organisation,which is claiming the rights of a Nation State regarding trade rules,borders and defence policy under international law,without it first declaring de Jure status let alone gaining de Facto recognition as such ?.

I saw a broadcast this afternoon by Ben Bradshaw MP at the Christmas Market in Exeter, which presented a great backdrop, my family loves visiting the town.

He said: ā€˜Everyone agrees that to crash out of the EU without a deal will be a disaster.’

I’ve written to him - I’m not a constituent, so he won’t care, but…

That is not true. Not only do I not ā€˜agree’, I think the premise is wrong.

We trade with most of the world on WTO terms - no disaster there. The hyped up statements about customs clearance are taking how it was in the seventies and putting it as a present day scenario. Things have moved on. Clearance can take place electronically at the point of loading and inspection, if required, can take place anywhere on the journey. Go to Felixstowe. The cargo on those massive container ships is mostly pre-cleared. Some containers are inspected, most are not…

I realise that that is only a small part of the whole picture, but the EU trades at a massive profit with us, they have far more to lose. Let’s ā€˜Crash Out’. The EU will be the ones wanting a deal then instead of stifling every suggestion currently made.

Regards,

John

Today Amber Rudd wants to join forces with Labour to keep us from crashing out of the EU, neither Conservatives or Labour can drive the bus on there own so what chance if they get together, you are right John West we should honour the will of the first vote and lets crash out, don’t think there will be a lot for the breakdown truck to recover and as it goes in the song by Victoria wood, lets do it, lets do it, nothing is going to go far wrong. Buzzer

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John West:
I saw a broadcast this afternoon by Ben Bradshaw MP at the Christmas Market in Exeter, which presented a great backdrop, my family loves visiting the town.

He said: ā€˜Everyone agrees that to crash out of the EU without a deal will be a disaster.’

I’ve written to him - I’m not a constituent, so he won’t care, but…

That is not true. Not only do I not ā€˜agree’, I think the premise is wrong.

We trade with most of the world on WTO terms - no disaster there. The hyped up statements about customs clearance are taking how it was in the seventies and putting it as a present day scenario. Things have moved on. Clearance can take place electronically at the point of loading and inspection, if required, can take place anywhere on the journey. Go to Felixstowe. The cargo on those massive container ships is mostly pre-cleared. Some containers are inspected, most are not…

I realise that that is only a small part of the whole picture, but the EU trades at a massive profit with us, they have far more to lose. Let’s ā€˜Crash Out’. The EU will be the ones wanting a deal then instead of stifling every suggestion currently made.

Regards,

John

That’s fair enough John - but what is the solution regarding the Irish border and the implications for the Good Friday Agreement?

Cheers Keith

cav551:
I only have two words to say to Tony Blair: Die today.

The ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā–  should be in prison for war crimes

kmills:
what is the solution regarding the Irish border and the implications for the Good Friday Agreement?

Cheers Keith

The ā€˜solution’ is the same as it was from the point when Eire came into existence to the point when we both joined the EEC/EU.It’s also the same 'solution as exists now for all non EU movements between UK and Eire not subject to the CTA.Also bearing in mind that we could/should de recognise the right of the EU to designate any so called ā€˜border’ in its own right or to set trade rules regarding the European states on the grounds that the EU has no validity whatsoever under international law as a country in its own right whether de Jure or De Facto.I’d be quite happy to see us ally with Russia against the stinking criminal EU claiming it has non existent Nation status and its swaggering around on the world stage as though it has such recognition,on that issue at least.IE if the EU wants a fight over Ireland ( or Ukraine ),on the basis of the EU’s illegal claim to non existent National statehood and borders and equally illegal trade regulations being illegally applied to individual European states,then give it to the scumbags in the knowledge that international law would be on our side.

gazsa401:

cav551:
I only have two words to say to Tony Blair: Die today.

The [zb] should be in prison for war crimes

He’s just started spouting he wants to stay cos he\s the guard on the EU gravy train the bar-steward, Buzzer

John West:
I saw a broadcast this afternoon by Ben Bradshaw MP at the Christmas Market in Exeter, which presented a great backdrop, my family loves visiting the town.

He said: ā€˜Everyone agrees that to crash out of the EU without a deal will be a disaster.’

I’ve written to him - I’m not a constituent, so he won’t care, but…

That is not true. Not only do I not ā€˜agree’, I think the premise is wrong.

We trade with most of the world on WTO terms - no disaster there. The hyped up statements about customs clearance are taking how it was in the seventies and putting it as a present day scenario. Things have moved on. Clearance can take place electronically at the point of loading and inspection, if required, can take place anywhere on the journey. Go to Felixstowe. The cargo on those massive container ships is mostly pre-cleared. Some containers are inspected, most are not…

I realise that that is only a small part of the whole picture,

. Let’s ā€˜Crash Out’. The EU will be the ones wanting a deal then instead of stifling every suggestion currently made.

Regards,

John

Look at this thread
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=157419&p=2527560&hilit=+swiss#p2528207
One and a half hours to clear Swiss. That is the real world, not a politicians imagination about a ficticious computer that doesnt yet exist. And they have a close trading agreement with the EU and are part of Schengen! So how long to clear for a country with NO agreements? In 1985 there were less than 3/4 million trucks going through Dover,must have been less than that in the 70s. Last year there were over two and a half million.

ā€œWe trade with most of the world on WTO terms - no disaster thereā€
About half of our trade is with the EU. Of the remainder most is with countries where we have (as part of the EU) a trade agreement. If we crash out we will have no trade agreements with anyone.

ā€œbut the EU trades at a massive profit with us, they have far more to loseā€
If we stopped all trade with the EU tomorrow they would loose about 8% of their trade, we would loose about 40% of ours!
Who would be most damaged?
And who needs to do any damage anyway? Sounds a bit like a war of attrition through trade, and in wars there are only losers, some loose more than others, but it still ain`t doing anyone any good.

It’s no good you leavers, let’s call you bleaters, calling Theresa she gave you exactly what she promised. Whereas chief bleater n wife cheater Boris gave you nothing he promised. N we all end up losers. Didn’t your father warn you about believing politicians :unamused:

Morning all,
I think there is a real danger of some on this thread actually believing what they are saying.
No one knows for sure, its all speculation and opinions, dont get so cross. good stuff mainly though, Harvey

Franglais:
About half of our trade is with the EU. Of the remainder most is with countries where we have (as part of the EU) a trade agreement. If we crash out we will have no trade agreements with anyone.

ā€œbut the EU trades at a massive profit with us, they have far more to loseā€
If we stopped all trade with the EU tomorrow they would loose about 8% of their trade, we would loose about 40% of ours!
Who would be most damaged?
And who needs to do any damage anyway? Sounds a bit like a war of attrition through trade, and in wars there are only losers, some loose more than others, but it still ain`t doing anyone any good.

WTO is obviously a ā€˜trade agreement’.

Which part of,8% of the ā€˜total EU’ export market,is a lot more in hard cash terms than 40% of the UK’s export market there,don’t you understand.IE our ā€˜trade’ with the EU is nothing but an economic liability to us.To the tune of a 50 billion Euro pa black hole in the form of our trade with Germany alone.For which we then have to pay billions in net contributions for the privilege.

As for ā€˜who needs to do any damage’ it’s obviously your lot not us who are making all the hostile trade war threats to punish us for leaving the EU.Although surely we couldn’t be blamed for realigning our trade relationship with the EU in that regard anyway.Bearing in mind your previous comments that trade restrictions are justified to stabilise balance of payments issues but obviously only when it suits you in favour of your EU mates.

Make no mistake the gains for domestic industry in just kicking the EU,especially Germany out of our domestic market would easily outweigh the loss of our pathetic EU export market.Most of which is effectively just a loss making subsidy for over paid white collar workers doing non jobs selling nothing in return for German manufacturing imports.No surprise that its those who form the core of the pro EU lobby here.

coomsey:
It’s no good you leavers, let’s call you bleaters, calling Theresa she gave you exactly what she promised. Whereas chief bleater n wife cheater Boris gave you nothing he promised. N we all end up losers. Didn’t your father warn you about believing politicians :unamused:

No remainer May predictably gave you lot what ā€˜you’ wanted.That was to reverse the referendum decision to ā€˜Leave’ the EU.You know the one which May said Leave means Leave.As for Boris no he’s just another one of your false flag controlled opposition rabble standing shoulder to shoulder with all the rest in the Conservative European Federalist Party which took us into the EU and which has no intention of Leaving it.

As for anyone believing politicians it’s obviously you who seems to have no problem with believing people like Heath,Thatcher,Blair and Juncker as opposed to real politicians like Powell,Shore and Benn.

Carryfast:

coomsey:
It’s no good you leavers, let’s call you bleaters, calling Theresa she gave you exactly what she promised. Whereas chief bleater n wife cheater Boris gave you nothing he promised. N we all end up losers. Didn’t your father warn you about believing politicians :unamused:

No remainer May predictably gave you lot what ā€˜you’ wanted.That was to reverse the referendum decision to ā€˜Leave’ the EU.You know the one which May said Leave means Leave.As for Boris no he’s just another one of your false flag controlled opposition rabble standing shoulder to shoulder with all the rest in the Conservative European Federalist Party which took us into the EU and which has no intention of Leaving it.

As for anyone believing politicians it’s obviously you who seems to have no problem with believing people like Heath,Thatcher,Blair and Juncker as opposed to real politicians like Powell,Shore and Benn.

Ay up C F .
It’s worse than you think ! I don’t vote n I don’t believe any of them. You can’t blame me or you can blame me for the lot. Unless these [zb] are held accountable by death steer clear :confused:

coomsey:

Carryfast:

coomsey:
It’s no good you leavers, let’s call you bleaters, calling Theresa she gave you exactly what she promised.

No remainer May predictably gave you lot what ā€˜you’ wanted.That was to reverse the referendum decision to ā€˜Leave’ the EU.You know the one which May said Leave means Leave.As for Boris no he’s just another one of your false flag controlled opposition rabble standing shoulder to shoulder with all the rest in the Conservative European Federalist Party which took us into the EU and which has no intention of Leaving it.

As for anyone believing politicians it’s obviously you who seems to have no problem with believing people like Heath,Thatcher,Blair and Juncker as opposed to real politicians like Powell,Shore and Benn.

Ay up C F .
It’s worse than you think ! I don’t vote n I don’t believe any of them. You can’t blame me or you can blame me for the lot. Unless these [zb] are held accountable by death steer clear :confused:

Fine then you’ll obviously have no problem with the idea that in limiting their powers to the National government,that we have more electoral control over,is better than the centralised European Soviet style Federal dictatorship that gives them more unaccountable power.

As for May no she didn’t give the Leave side what it voted for but she predictably did give her remain voters what they wanted.IE delayed and sabotaged the Brexit process to keep us tied to the EU.Obviously unlike Powell,Shore,Benn,Batten or Hoey or possibly even Davis would have done given the job.Strange why you’d want to describe the victims of that in the form of the Leave vote as ā€˜bleaters’.When it was obviously the Remain losers who did all the bleating that they wanted the decision reversed and so far got it.

Came across this post, i found it on another bloggers site, apparently it was a comment on John Redwood MP’s site but not JR’s words though, the author was a fine chap going by the name of Captain Peacock.

I haven’t fact checked it, see what you think :

ā€˜ā€™ā€¦its worth reading when you hear May talking about British jobs. This is what the EU is doing for Britain.

Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army’s new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK were closed eliminating 3,500 jobs.
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with Ā£20 million in EU ā€˜regeneration’ grants, (with job losses and closures)
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it’s Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU.
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.
Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn’t paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK, I used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don’t even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.
I haven’t detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don’t even go there.
I haven’t mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.
Find something that’s gone the other way, I’ve looked and I just can’t.

There you have it; take a moment to let that sink in… ā€˜ā€™

:open_mouth:

Off the top of my head, Cadbury were bought by the US Kraft company who promised jobs at Bridgewater would be safe. They then closed the UK plant.
The story about a grant to move the Transit factory was on a thread before… think it was the EU bank making Ford a loan for investment in another EU plant at the time of the closing the Eastleigh factory and opening the Turkey one.

Edit to add:
Which nuclear plants have catastrophically failed because of crap steel?

And to add: 39% of patents??
Remarkably precise figure there! Wonder where that comes from?

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