tiptop495:
Hey, Pitty that it wasn’t restored in it’s Original LOWE colours and lettered.
Of course everyone’s choice,but it was common sight in the old days.
Cheers Eric,
I remember when Kevin Dennis owned this LV, after he restored it (it had been converted into a wrecker when he came across it) he wanted to paint it back into Lowes of Paddock Wood livery, but was refused when asking Lowes permission. Think he was a bit puzzled by that 
. Wood of looked the nutz back in them colours pulling an old 40ft box with thermo king unit, an example of which incidentley , is lying on a farm on the side of the road near the Isle of Grain. Chris.
I reckon I missed a trick here when I saw this photo earlier on. Look at this picture now; it is from Dai Davies’s book and notice the caption that goes with it. I had assumed, on the evidence that I had, that all the late '60s and very early '70s 5MW exports to Belgium were rigid tippers and tar-sprayers. However, the caption to this photo clearly states that it was a tractive-unit. It was supplied for heavy haulage, so it is anyone’s guess whether it fell into the category of ‘European’ or not. Probably not. In any case, I rather suspect that ERF had no more clue as to what qualified as a ‘European’ than we do now 40 years later! Nonetheless, it is a LHD 5MW-cabbed ERF and it deserves a place on this thread. Robert 
@Robert…Uk running short nowadays on Sheppard’s Neame? Grin…
European or not…the definition, not the definite answer, could be:
- Designed for the European (read continental) market with regard to:
engine-choice, gearbox-choice, LHD, RHD, etc on components
-
Built in Europe…as was the case with CDB on the continent,
naturally before UK became member of the EC, so Europe is not
the same as countries belonging to the European Community, as
also Switzerland with Saurer and Berna were European though not
EC, hard to explain to my former US-colleagues who were thinking
of USA and the rest of the world
-
Components out of Europe?
-
British-vehicles intended for the continental market, with extra
attention to gross weight, brakes, light-requirements, dimensions
By the way…PETER Davies was the author of your 6x4 ERF and I
am very much convinced his nephew Anthony (J.A.) or Dai Davies
had no clue at all about tar-sprayers nor tippers
The 6x4 is most likely sold (as with Thibaut’s ERF after being ex-
posed on exhibitions) to Delsaert or Hydrocar. Not the Hye Bros.
or Van Driessche as the exhaust was not mounted in the front.
To my humble opinion it started with (y)our beloved NGC or for
cab-denomination, the A-series chassis with 7MW cabs, so with
tilt cab…and for M/E with KYSOR (don’t mention Kaisor, brrr)
Have a wonderful summer!
Good you digged this again!
ERF-Continental:
@Robert…Uk running short nowadays on Sheppard’s Neame? Grin…
European or not…the definition, not the definite answer, could be:
- Designed for the European (read continental) market with regard to:
engine-choice, gearbox-choice, LHD, RHD, etc on components
-
Built in Europe…as was the case with CDB on the continent,
naturally before UK became member of the EC, so Europe is not
the same as countries belonging to the European Community, as
also Switzerland with Saurer and Berna were European though not
EC, hard to explain to my former US-colleagues who were thinking
of USA and the rest of the world
-
Components out of Europe?
-
British-vehicles intended for the continental market, with extra
attention to gross weight, brakes, light-requirements, dimensions
By the way…PETER Davies was the author of your 6x4 ERF and I
am very much convinced his nephew Anthony (J.A.) or Dai Davies
had no clue at all about tar-sprayers nor tippers
The 6x4 is most likely sold (as with Thibaut’s ERF after being ex-
posed on exhibitions) to Delsaert or Hydrocar. Not the Hye Bros.
or Van Driessche as the exhaust was not mounted in the front.
To my humble opinion it started with (y)our beloved NGC or for
cab-denomination, the A-series chassis with 7MW cabs, so with
tilt cab…and for M/E with KYSOR (don’t mention Kaisor, brrr)
Have a wonderful summer!
Good you digged this again!
Your’e right there, I am guilty of depleting the national stocks of Shepherd Neame! Glad you were able to fill in the gaps regarding the picture I (re-)posted. Enjoy the summer. Yours sublimely, Robert Hackford (TIR, Visor & Kysor). 
Not quite spectacular…but Ets. Thibaut also had an ERF 64Cu335…which was an ex-demonstrator
(in red/white livery) after being exposed on Brussels Show in 1971 and after a lot of demonstrations
was sold to Thibaut, just as the later NGC420 which had some kilometres for prospects/customers.
The 64Cu335 4x2 tractor had (pay attention under-cover REVS-members) chassis # 22985, 3.10metres
wheelbase, GF 62103 5th wheel-coupling, overall length 5.42metres and 7.540kgs chassis weight.
The NGC420 4x2 drawbar had chassis # 24684, 4.80metres wheelbase, Rockinger 40G150 coupling and
overall length 9.20metres and “load-length” for the tipper 6.72metres.
I have been assured there will be genuine pictures during Thibaut’s operations! A-J
Most probably the cover of the 1971-brochure (in Dutch/Flemish) is the Thibaut 64Cu335?
Bear in mind it had the ■■■■■■■ NTK335 and not the NTC335 the NGC420 had installed.
A-J
Two terrific posts, A-J: I have always quietly admired your attention to detail and this kind of detailed information is exactly what we need on these threads!
I’m intrigued by this NTK / NTC 335 business: what’s the difference? Correct me if I’m wrong, but I read that the N in NTC denotes a four-valve head, T stands for turbo and C stands for custom.
I hasten to add that I am not doubting your info. In fact Commercial Motor on the 1st January 1971 printed that black & white picture above with the following explanation:
‘When the Brussels Show opens on January 19 two vehicles from ERF Ltd will have pride of place on the CDB (Belgium) SA stand–the distributor in Belgium of ERF commercials. Both have been designed to meet Continental conditions and one, a 38,000 kg g.c.w. tractive unit named the European, will be making its debut. This 4 x 2 tractive unit is designated the 64C11335 and has a ■■■■■■■ NTK.335 diesel producing 324PS(DIN) at 2100 rpm; torque is 126m.kg at 1600 rpm. The gearbox is a nine-speed Fuller RTO 909A. With it on the stand will be a 66(CU)220 rigid/tipper chassis designed for 26,000 kg This is a three-axle model with the ■■■■■■■ NHK.220 diesel and Fuller RT 15-speed gearbox. The ERF all-steel sleeper cab is fitted on both vehicles.’
As you can see it clearly states NTK. Robert
@Robert: to be honest…the “K” added to the type is unknown for me…so from NTK335 to
NTC335 and “C” indeed stands for CUSTOM…mind that earlier ■■■■■■■ also had NHK220 and
NHK250 and “N” stands for NEW a simple add to the old H-series, indeed also for 4 valves for NH
and 2 valves for H…a first comparison between NTK335 and NTC335 is the fact that torque for
the NTK is 126kgm at 1600revs/min with 129kgm at 1500revs/min for the NTC. Perhaps the “K”
has something to do with production out of UK and/or some links to compressor?
To be continued…now still recovering from World Championship soccer-evening, penalties brrr
On the LHD 5MW’s in Belgium:
The 2 three-axle tippers for Delsaert Transports and
the 4 three-axle tar-sprayers for Hydrocar had NHK220’s.
Thanks for your replies, A-J. Just been to a wedding in Czech Republic and been off-line for a few days! Robert
We missed you Robert, hence a lot to re-read for you on various threads!
Was there no Shropshire wedding chapel available?
ERF-Continental:
We missed you Robert, hence a lot to re-read for you on various threads!
Was there no Shropshire wedding chapel available?
It was a mixed nationality do - I flew to Prague, picked up a car and some passengers and drove down the Slovak border (where the celebration was) from there - fantastic wedding!
I recently overheard that the ERF LHD 5MW was operational with operator PEETHULTRA of Malle (B)
and possibly after Coulier/Wauters operated it for the Calor-account. I have also been told that the
tanker-trailer was from WAUTERS (a daughter-company of Coulier in Hamme) but feel free to add
or correct this info.
Here’s an item recently sold on ebay. As it’s a model it would be easy to configure the wipers, mirrors and steering wheel for LHD. Robert
Not bad this 5MW…could be the earlier wrecker which was discussed in the recent REVS, however
(not to give negative feedback) the mirrors apear to me as big as a wheel■■? Agree, with some
minor additions it may be quite a good modell …days gone though.
ERF-Continental:
I recently overheard that the ERF LHD 5MW was operational with operator PEETHULTRA of Malle (B)
and possibly after Coulier/Wauters operated it for the Calor-account. I have also been told that the
tanker-trailer was from WAUTERS (a daughter-company of Coulier in Hamme) but feel free to add
or correct this info.
Evening all,…just a quick one…need to do some work on the Combine`s Header…
All totally correct, then she came in as a part exchange on the deal we did with Coulier for Berliet TR280s
Never knew what became of her, because I was sent to Italy before she was sold…and she had not done a lot of work at all.
Cheerio for now.
ERF-Continental:
I recently overheard that the ERF LHD 5MW was operational with operator PEETHULTRA of Malle (B)
and possibly after Coulier/Wauters operated it for the Calor-account. I have also been told that the
tanker-trailer was from WAUTERS (a daughter-company of Coulier in Hamme) but feel free to add
or correct this info.
my dad painted this one when it was delivered to Calor Gas in Rushden(ex Monks ), the photo was taken in our yard at wellingborough. Started life at the Rushden depot , but was transferred to Rotterdam soon after as the rushden crew couldn’t get on with it. photo would have been 1973 as when he had it in i was at my first job after leaving school. Blinding bit of kit, always wanted one after that , got one in the end but sadly only a 220 not a 335
still a good truck to drive though.
I recall your input from some months ago, for which I thank you. I have been promissed a picture
of the livery PEETHULTRA of Belgium and will surely input it accordingly later.
As Saviem expressed, she had not a very hard life nor mileage…perhaps more details of her life
will pop-up somewhere…
Well, well, well: look what has turned up! Some time ago I appealed for information about a photo that appears to be a Comart ERF NGC on the Comart thread. There may still be an NGC, of course. But meanwhile, Ant (Willie Roadstar) has picked up a Facebook entry by an Italian called Alberto Milano, who posted this magnificent picture of a LHD 5MW in full Comart livery! I believe it to be LHD because the driver is using the left-hand door and the mirrors are set up for LHD. Can’t read the number plate, unfortunately. The picture was taken in Aosta, Italy. Robert
Here’s a closer in view. Robert
