ERF LHD 5MW (European)

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robert1952:
I reckon I missed a trick here when I saw this photo earlier on. Look at this picture now; it is from Dai Davies’s book and notice the caption that goes with it. I had assumed, on the evidence that I had, that all the late '60s and very early '70s 5MW exports to Belgium were rigid tippers and tar-sprayers. However, the caption to this photo clearly states that it was a tractive-unit. It was supplied for heavy haulage, so it is anyone’s guess whether it fell into the category of ‘European’ or not. Probably not. In any case, I rather suspect that ERF had no more clue as to what qualified as a ‘European’ than we do now 40 years later! Nonetheless, it is a LHD 5MW-cabbed ERF and it deserves a place on this thread. Robert :slight_smile:

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I have the strong feeling the 3-axle tractive unit shown is the AndrĂ© Lecoq’s!

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A rough check
though I now have not all pictures with me, results in a humble overview:

3MW:

-Lecoq’s 6x4 tractor (see pictures Peter Davies, Brussels 1969 and HST6)
-Luxemburg 4x2 tractor (see picture in CM-article)
-Delcon 4x2 tractor (color picture in UK)
-Hye Bros. 6x4 tractor (article Wobbe Reitsma "Flemish ERF’s)
-Van Driessche 6x4 tractor (article Wobbe Reitsma "Flemish ERF’s)
-Unknown configuration though pictured at Brussels 1971 with “G. Schlac” on co-driver’s door

ST 6 chassis

5MW:

-Thibaut’s 4x2 tractor
-Delcon 4x2 tractor (see picture next to road for Transitliner)
-Delsaert 6x4 tipper (see picture in CM-article)
-Coulier/Calor 4x2 tractor

ST 4 chassis

To be verified:

4x Hydrocar 6x4 tarsprayers (with optional radiator-grille)
6x Delcon 4x2 tractors

GT 20 chassis

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ERF:

ERF-Continental:
3MW #17099 tractor for André Lecoq (B)

■■■■■■■ NHK X220, Engine 7W21469. Gearbox - Fuller RT 915 45267. Rear axle ratio 5.65:1.

ERF-Continental:
5MW #22985 tractor for Ets. Thibaut (B)

10’ 2" Wheelbase tractor.
■■■■■■■ NTK 335, Engine 23101821. Gearbox - Fuller RTO 9509A 50314. Rear axle ratio 5.60:1.

ERF-Continental:
7MW #22993 tractor for Van Steenbergen (B)

10’ 1" Wheelbase tractor.
■■■■■■■ NTC 335FFD, Engine Not Recorded. Gearbox - Fuller RTO 9509A 50314. Rear axle ratio 5.60:1.

ERF-Continental:
7MW #24684 rigid for Ets. Thibaut (B)

15’ 9" Wheelbase LWB.
Despatched 14th August 1973.
■■■■■■■ NTC 335FFC, Engine 51900. Gearbox - Fuller RTO 9509A 50314. Rear axle ratio 5.60:1.

ERF-Continental:
7MW #31927 tractor for Falcon Freight (being the last 7MW)

5.34 Metre Wheelbase.
Despatched 22nd December 1977.
■■■■■■■ NTC E290, Engine Not Recorded. Gearbox - Fuller RT 9509A 54705. Axle ratio not recorded.

This amazing info! Thanks! It needs to be posted on the European 1975 thread too, as it contains new info about no fewer than 3 NGCs. I think the Falcon Freight is a new find altogether: I’ll explain why on the other thread! Cheers for now. Robert :smiley:

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PS @ ‘ERF-continental’: there’s no reason why you can’t start a new 3MW thread - I nearly started one myself this week! If you do, I’ll add to it. Robert

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ERF-Continental:
A rough check
though I now have not all pictures with me, results in a humble overview:

3MW:

-Lecoq’s 6x4 tractor (see pictures Peter Davies, Brussels 1969 and HST6)
-Luxemburg 4x2 tractor (see picture in CM-article)
-Delcon 4x2 tractor (color picture in UK)
-Hye Bros. 6x4 tractor (article Wobbe Reitsma "Flemish ERF’s)
-Van Driessche 6x4 tractor (article Wobbe Reitsma "Flemish ERF’s)
-Unknown configuration though pictured at Brussels 1971 with “G. Schlac” on co-driver’s door

ST 6 chassis

5MW:

-Thibaut’s 4x2 tractor
-Delcon 4x2 tractor (see picture next to road for Transitliner)
-Delsaert 6x4 tipper (see picture in CM-article)
-Coulier/Calor 4x2 tractor

ST 4 chassis

To be verified:

4x Hydrocar 6x4 tarsprayers (with optional radiator-grille)
6x Delcon 4x2 tractors

GT 20 chassis

Looking at LHD ONLY, couldn’t we add:

3MW

The ERF test vehicle / demo with the tanker trailer that Belgium trialled in 1972

5MW

Partrick RRP-86R
Cadwallader BNT-939L
Beresford PVT-646R
Comart
Trans Arabia x 2
Richard Read HDF-228N
S Jones SRF-304L
(Chapman & Ball - not 100% sure it’s LHD)

Robert

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hi robert sorry to go of thread notice you speaking with cliff luxton remember him from morrocco days have u got any pics of the new port in tangier bet it has never got the feeling of the old port and all its characters tks

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stevejones:
hi robert sorry to go of thread notice you speaking with cliff luxton remember him from morrocco days have u got any pics of the new port in tangier bet it has never got the feeling of the old port and all its characters tks

I’ll answer you on the North Africa thread, as we’re at a critical stage of discussion on here at the moment. :wink: Robert

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hiya
just thinking 
we mention the Cadwallader lorry been LHD converted to RHD
would that because she was recabbed
for some reason ■■?

discussion about the EX Port CKD trucks they was created and sent out from IICR Midland packers of Nuneaton i was sent their to do some
light repair jobs where miss handling had damaged the back corner panels. about 5 cabs needed attention
John.

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3300John:
hiya
just thinking 
we mention the Cadwallader lorry been LHD converted to RHD
would that because she was recabbed
for some reason ■■?

discussion about the EX Port CKD trucks they was created and sent out from IICR Midland packers of Nuneaton i was sent their to do some
light repair jobs where miss handling had damaged the back corner panels. about 5 cabs needed attention
John.

The Cadwallader unit was converted from LHD to RHD after a ‘mishap’ in France, as I understand. Now whether that entailed a cab swap or not I’ve no idea.

It’s a good question, John. Here are two pics of it, one in LHD and the later RHD version. They deffo look like different cabs to me! What do you think? Robert

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rh1.jpg

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Evening all, Robert, Gordon Cadwallader used the original cab shell, when doing the conversion.

He never rated that lorry, and the idea was to put it onto steel work in the UK. By then Cadwalladers were getting reliable use from the Volvo F88s
only ever one F89, far too powerfull to give to a “driver”!!!

The UK work was ERF, and Atkinson, plus that everso cheap Seddon!!!

That 5 serie was a “lumockie” thing to drive, totally out of balance, not at all as good as an A serie
let alone the old Borderer
which Russell and Gordon always specified with an 18802 Eaton two speed back end
70 plus even with a 180 Gardner!

Cambrian railway “shed”
I rest my case!

Cheerio for now.

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Saviem:
Evening all, Robert, Gordon Cadwallader used the original cab shell, when doing the conversion.

He never rated that lorry, and the idea was to put it onto steel work in the UK. By then Cadwalladers were getting reliable use from the Volvo F88s
only ever one F89, far too powerfull to give to a “driver”!!!

The UK work was ERF, and Atkinson, plus that everso cheap Seddon!!!

That 5 serie was a “lumockie” thing to drive, totally out of balance, not at all as good as an A serie
let alone the old Borderer
which Russell and Gordon always specified with an 18802 Eaton two speed back end
70 plus even with a 180 Gardner!

Cambrian railway “shed”
I rest my case!

Cheerio for now.

Many thanks for the info about Cadwallader’s 5MW cab, Saviem. There you go John3300: you have an answer! Robert :smiley:

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Due to severe back-up problems I am not able to re-produce the picture of the yellow 6x4 ERF Hydrocar,
but I am still wondering if this configuration was cabbed with a 3MW or 5MW
the radiator makes me
believe it is probabbly a 5MW

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ERF-Continental:
Due to severe back-up problems I am not able to re-produce the picture of the yellow 6x4 ERF Hydrocar,
but I am still wondering if this configuration was cabbed with a 3MW or 5MW
the radiator makes me
believe it is probabbly a 5MW

I’m not sure which one was the Hydrocar unit, A-J. Was it this one? Robert

ERF-Europe-BClose.jpg

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Thank you Robert for your reaction
no I mean the tar-sprayers from Hydrocar, the yellow ones of
which Hydrocar had 4 in their fleet. Somewhere on the internet I then found an article that this tar-
sprayer was parked on their yard
sort of retirement

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ERF-Continental:
Thank you Robert for your reaction
no I mean the tar-sprayers from Hydrocar, the yellow ones of
which Hydrocar had 4 in their fleet. Somewhere on the internet I then found an article that this tar-
sprayer was parked on their yard
sort of retirement

You may find it on these threads if you hunt around a bit
 Robert :smiley:

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According to the headlights this ERF (Hydrocar-Flawinne) is 5MW-cabbed so I will register it (and probably
also the other 3 ERF’s in their fleet) accordingly.

Type of this 3-axle tar-sprayer was 66Cu220 hence a NHK220 ■■■■■■■ installed, see earlier specification.

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Something ‘strange’ came on my path
perhaps ERF-P (and archivist) might ‘solve’ in the near future?

See attached page of the CM-article and pay attention on the picture and script at the left corner under.
It clearly states that the Luxemburg(registrated T5171) was the first chassis sold by CDB. When we all
remember the findings of ERF-P I now assume it would have been the first chassis assembled by CDB?

So still the Delcon (of which we all see the blue tractor pictured in the UK) remains uncertain if all or just
the first chassis were produced in Sandbanch, hence no assembly in Brussels.

In other wording
how were the approx. 25 kits (shipped per a pair towards Brussels) registered in the
production files
or merely a round of orderpicking in the warehouse?

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Some more 3MW and 5MW photos from ERF.
At least they are all LHD!..

A 5MW at CDB


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The 1972 Earls Court 3MW exhibit with a Gardner 240


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ERF-P
thank you very much for your time and post! Now everything is clear why the Delcon was pictured
in UK
as a preparation (with Gardner installed) for the Earls Court exhibition! By now we have 4 Delcon
ERF’s recognised!