@ERF-P…just curious on how the registration (production-card) looks like and moreover the
changes/progress on the 3MW, 5MW and 7MW shows particular findings? And indeed the engine
and gearbox…perhaps you know what the difference between NHK and NTK for ■■■■■■■ is?
Would you scan some examples of production-cards?
I also assume Messrs Corbishley and Robert might
be especially interested on the ex-Eyckmans NGC…
Thanks again in advance! A-J
ERF-Continental:
@ERF-P…just curious on how the registration (production-card) looks like and moreover the
changes/progress on the 3MW, 5MW and 7MW shows particular findings? And indeed the engine
and gearbox…perhaps you know what the difference between NHK and NTK for ■■■■■■■ is?Would you scan some examples of production-cards?
I also assume Messrs Corbishley and Robert might
be especially interested on the ex-Eyckmans NGC…Thanks again in advance! A-J
I can scan a build sheet for an LV that I have here from the era to show what they look like, but scans of the actual sheets are now difficult. The holder of the ERF archive hand copied the details from each and every sheet for every ERF built, a mammoth task that took him years, before the actual sheets were requested back by MAN to keep at Swindon, and are now (I understand) not accessible.
Engine and transmission information for the 5 chassis above are recorded, and I will update when I get his reply.
Thank you for your co-operation and time!
Something to chew on for us all, I however pointed this fact several times during several ERF-threads,
ERF outsourced assembly of approx. 25 chassis by forwarding ckd-kits towards CDB in Belgium. I still
wonder if the blue 5MW for Delcon in Wilsele near Leuven/Louvain was assembled in Brussels while a
picture of it was made at Sun Works? I don’t emphasize a lot on the overall quantity of 25 chassis but
perhaps it is interesting how many exactly were assembled in Uk and B for continental purposes?
Again, no hurry, as we have time to proceed this top-thread
ERF-Continental:
Thank you for your co-operation and time!Something to chew on for us all, I however pointed this fact several times during several ERF-threads,
ERF outsourced assembly of approx. 25 chassis by forwarding ckd-kits towards CDB in Belgium. I still
wonder if the blue 5MW for Delcon in Wilsele near Leuven/Louvain was assembled in Brussels while a
picture of it was made at Sun Works? I don’t emphasize a lot on the overall quantity of 25 chassis but
perhaps it is interesting how many exactly were assembled in Uk and B for continental purposes?Again, no hurry, as we have time to proceed this top-thread
One of the Delcon units was identified earlier as having a 3MW cab (1st post at the top of this page). Were all eight of them 3MWs or was there a mixture of 5MW & 3MW? 
Glad you remembered about the Eyckman’s unit, A-J 
. Robert
ERF:
[zb]
anorak:
So, to summarise, briefly:The first MW was the 3MW, which was first used in 1968(?)
The 5MW took over from this in 1972(?)
The 4MW came along at the same time as the 5.
There was no 2 or 6.Not quite.
The 4MW was very first MW in November 1968 (according to the records - but John’s pre July 1967 MW could have pre-dated this, but is not recorded). The very first recorded MW is chassis 16625, a 4MW2 cabbed model 6.6 RR220 - 13’1" wheelbase 6x4 tractor unit despatched ex Sun Works on the 4th November 1968. It was the first of a large batch of identical vehicles all UK registered PDD 173 to 199G and PDD 201 to 223G and delivered by road to Jordan Phosphate Mines Co., Amman, Jordan.
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Note the air intake pipe up through the cab! - did the driver put his feet either side of it when he lay on the bunk I wonder?.3MW was replaced by the 5MW from 18th January 1973 - we have a definite date for this now.
There was no 2 or 6 MW.
hiya the driver did nt sleep in the lorries as far as i know there was no mattress to my knowledge i am not certain why the company had sleeper cabs…
ERF-Continental:
…perhaps you know what the difference between NHK and NTK for ■■■■■■■ is?
NHK
5.125" (130.2mm) bore
6.00" (152.4mm) stroke
Capacity 12.17 Litre
NTK
5.50" (139.7mm) bore
6.00 (152.4mm) stroke
Capacity 14 Litre
3300John:
hiya the driver did nt sleep in the lorries as far as i know there was no mattress to my knowledge i am not certain why the company had sleeper cabs…
Maybe the driver was expected to supply his own bedding, if required. The mattresses on offer from the GB lorry firms were pretty horrible anyway- they look about 2" thick, and the adverts boast about them being covered in vinyl. In other words, the same as the ones in the cells at the cop shop. Luxury!
ERF:
ERF-Continental:
…perhaps you know what the difference between NHK and NTK for ■■■■■■■ is?NHK
5.125" (130.2mm) bore
6.00" (152.4mm) stroke
Capacity 12.17 LitreNTK
5.50" (139.7mm) bore
6.00 (152.4mm) stroke
Capacity 14 Litre
Many thanks! A-J
[zb]
anorak:3300John:
hiya the driver did nt sleep in the lorries as far as i know there was no mattress to my knowledge i am not certain why the company had sleeper cabs…Maybe the driver was expected to supply his own bedding, if required. The mattresses on offer from the GB lorry firms were pretty horrible anyway- they look about 2" thick, and the adverts boast about them being covered in vinyl. In other words, the same as the ones in the cells at the cop shop. Luxury!
the jennings mattress was 5 inches thick on the 7/8lv hen coup but as you say they was vynel on the top and sides the underneath was black cloth
i put mine in a sleeping bag because you did nt half stick to them if your sheet moved
3300John:
the jennings mattress was 5 inches thick on the 7/8lv hen coup but as you say they was vynel on the top and sides the underneath was black cloth
i put mine in a sleeping bag because you did nt half stick to them if your sheet moved
Are you sure you had it the right way up? 
To approach the 25 CKD-kits for both 3- and 5MW’s on the continent, now roughly 20 are known,
12 of these 4x2 tractors and 8 of these 6x4 rigids, for both Belgium and Luxemburg. No chassis
known for The Netherlands though.
On my previous remark on headlights/foglights in the bumper…I consider it as something ‘continental’
as for example Volvo and Scania also had them as an option, so ERF did follow this nouveauté by CDB?
ERF-Continental:
On my previous remark on headlights/foglights in the bumper…I consider it as something ‘continental’
as for example Volvo and Scania also had them as an option, so ERF did follow this nouveauté by CDB?
With respect, this may just be down to individual choice / whim. Only one Delcon 3MW seems to have this feature; Trans Arabia 123 was, I think ex-Jones UK; Pickfords had a RHD drive one like this on UK work; Oadby / F. Read had a RHD one on UK work. Fogs and spots were always pretty common on UK lorries because of the weather. I notice quite a few more 3MWs / 5MWs with both LHD and RHD with fogs / spots attached to the bumper (rather than fitted in special holes). Just a thought. Robert
In all fairness, we ‘just’ saw two out of eight ERF’s of Delcon, only one of Hydrocar, the Lux 5MW had lights
integrated in the bumper…but indeed just a thought on some minor details. I wonder on the discoveries
ERF-P hopefully will make out of the records on the 25 ckd-kits.
In general and not to offend somebody…it by now shows more and more that some details appear to be significant.
Form and number of air-inlets, type and form of headlights, (split) windows, bumpers, mirrors as well as brackets,
type and position of indicators, allignment of fuel tank, cab-grab handles, tow-bar in front, rear-windows, etc
ERF-Continental:
In general and not to offend somebody…it by now shows more and more that some details appear to be significant.
Form and number of air-inlets, type and form of headlights, (split) windows, bumpers, mirrors as well as brackets,
type and position of indicators, allignment of fuel tank, cab-grab handles, tow-bar in front, rear-windows, etc
You are right A-J! And while we are on the subject of detail, it was reported on one of the other ERF threads this week that the LHD 5MW Partrick (Northants) unit had a Rolls Royce 220 in it, but the gearbox is still not known. In addition, new pictures of it in its graveyard were posted by ADR, one of which I reproduce below. Robert
ERF-Continental:
ERF:
A 5MW under construction at ‘■■■■■■■ Distributor Belgium’…2
This picture shows also headlights/foglights in the bumper, like the Delcon-Transitliner, Trans Arabia #123
and Luxemburg’s T5171 (see CM240372) had.Two ‘questions’ (for my own nightrest) on which type cab it actually is:
ERF-MW-X in the left upper corner, cab parked in front of the factory
ERF-MW-Y in the workshop of a true preserver
A-J
Just a remark…in my parts of the CDB-files there are no remarks on the type of cabs installed, only the vehicle-type
just like 64Cu335 etc
hiya was this cab sitting on the floor confusing you to where it went…i ve been thinking hard it may be the cab that
went on erf s wrecker. that was made up of parts taken of other trial motors i wounder if the chassis had a number or not
as it run on trade plates also would a company like to loose the value of the truck to the tax man…just a thought its the right cab.
3300John:
hiya was this cab sitting on the floor confusing you to where it went…i ve been thinking hard it may be the cab that
went on erf s wrecker. that was made up of parts taken of other trial motors i wounder if the chassis had a number or not
as it run on trade plates also would a company like to loose the value of the truck to the tax man…just a thought its the right cab.
Could be John…
ERF-Continental:
3MW #17099 tractor for André Lecoq (B)
■■■■■■■ NHK X220, Engine 7W21469. Gearbox - Fuller RT 915 45267. Rear axle ratio 5.65:1.
ERF-Continental:
5MW #22985 tractor for Ets. Thibaut (B)
10’ 2" Wheelbase tractor.
■■■■■■■ NTK 335, Engine 23101821. Gearbox - Fuller RTO 9509A 50314. Rear axle ratio 5.60:1.
ERF-Continental:
7MW #22993 tractor for Van Steenbergen (B)
10’ 1" Wheelbase tractor.
■■■■■■■ NTC 335FFD, Engine Not Recorded. Gearbox - Fuller RTO 9509A 50314. Rear axle ratio 5.60:1.
ERF-Continental:
7MW #24684 rigid for Ets. Thibaut (B)
15’ 9" Wheelbase LWB.
Despatched 14th August 1973.
■■■■■■■ NTC 335FFC, Engine 51900. Gearbox - Fuller RTO 9509A 50314. Rear axle ratio 5.60:1.
ERF-Continental:
7MW #31927 tractor for Falcon Freight (being the last 7MW)
5.34 Metre Wheelbase.
Despatched 22nd December 1977.
■■■■■■■ NTC E290, Engine Not Recorded. Gearbox - Fuller RT 9509A 54705. Axle ratio not recorded.
@ERF-P, WOW, that’s service and within 24hours!
Thank you very much and I am convinced also other participants like
and appreciate this information a lot.
