tiptop495:
hey to all, It’s Gruwez it’s the old yard on the way Bruges - Sluis( NL),but new or old it looked Always like a scrapyard at Gruwez. They had some Krupps with ■■■■■■■ too.
In Belgium the numberplates belong to the owner,but if he gives his company an other name then it changes. And today lost or stolen and you never get your number back. Other sended in number are given out again.
In the '70’s we got the 6 numbers/letters,so if it was still the first owner of the numberplate,you could consider the building year of it. Like the ERF if you could see the first letter e.g. a B it must be a '74.
Bye Eric,
Eric: is there an official list on when which letter started to be issued? ERF’s of Van Steenbergen had AFU.615, DEA.044 amongst other
numberplates AUA.629, BHE.625 on other makes of vehicles
For Robert’s birthday-presentlist…for a ■■■■■■■ NTC335 with Fuller 9-speed-gearbox, could
the Dodge 300 have a chance? No Foden’s (LHD) on offer? Scammell?
I guess on Robert’s shortlist for his ideal ■■■■■■■ NTC335/Fuller-9-speed is also the Jake-brake?
To my knowledge invented by the master himself…thinker and tinker…Mr. Clessie. L. ■■■■■■■■
I liked this input A-J, I did put a Jake-brake diagram on the thread a few pages back but this new piece gives some insight into its use. The ERF NGC was fitted with these as standard, and you may remember that the Jake played an apparently significant part in the mountain performance of the demo truck in TRUCK’s Euro-Test. Robert 
■■■■■■■ Diesel and Sales was the successor of “Voortstuwingstechniek” who were early
importers for ERF in Netherlands, just as ■■■■■■■ Distributor Belgium was for Belgium.
Right Gents! I’ve got new lead, so I need some good detective work from bloggers and slothful surfers! Living in Cairo isn’t a bed of roses because we have power-cuts every night (it reminds me of living in Blighty in the early '70s). So I light candles and there is nothing left to do but open a bottle and surf the web for more evidence of ERF NGCs (why else do you think I got so much material on this thread!).
OK, so here’s the new evidence: I have started working backwards from page 111 of TruckNets thread archive. Tonight I found a posting by ‘Steve the red’ dated March 7th 2008 which reads:
‘In the eighties I worked at Reyners in Manchester. They had an ERF Europe [sic] (an ERF with a steel cab). It was a big motor and I had a few nights with it. Would anyone out there have any old pics to bring back memories?’
Immediately after this text he posts the article about the ERF NGC 420 featuring Van Steenbergen examples from ERF’s in-house magazine, Chassis/ This is unequivocally the model we’re looking for here (and certainly what I am interested in for my book).
So let’s research Reyners of Manchester (it’s often spelt Raynors) and see if anyone knows about this ERF NGC of theirs! I’d be most grateful for some heroic investigation here. Cheers. Robert
Well John, I think you’ve managed to answer my question. I found a thread about Reyner’s of Manchester here on TruckNet. Here is the steel cabbed ERF mentioned. It is beautiful, but alas it is not a ‘European’, being right-hand drive and probably having a Gardner 180. Alas, it is really about time I opened a new thread for these RHD treasures so we don’t keep getting side-lined. Nonetheless, here is a picture of Reyner’s ERF. Robert
This photo is a real gift because not only is it sharp but it is really rich in detail. KFH 250P, an NGC 420 has clearly been towed in and it still has a rigid bar attached. The air connector just below the driver’s end of the bumper is still attached to the breakdown wagon by a suzie. We know that this unit saw Middle-East service and evidence of this can be seen in the cancelled TIR-plate, the visor and the Kaisor roof-mounted air-conditioning unit. It even sports a danger-striped bumper. Also very clear in this picture is the quality of the lining-out in the tasteful two-tone blue livery of Richard Read. Other details include the country-of-origin stickers in the side window and the windscreen pillar dirt-deflectors. It had a ■■■■■■■ 335 and Fuller 9-sp ‘box. (Photo: Marcus Lester) Robert
ERF-Continental:
tiptop495:
hey to all, It’s Gruwez it’s the old yard on the way Bruges - Sluis( NL),but new or old it looked Always like a scrapyard at Gruwez. They had some Krupps with ■■■■■■■ too.
In Belgium the numberplates belong to the owner,but if he gives his company an other name then it changes. And today lost or stolen and you never get your number back. Other sended in number are given out again.
In the '70’s we got the 6 numbers/letters,so if it was still the first owner of the numberplate,you could consider the building year of it. Like the ERF if you could see the first letter e.g. a B it must be a '74.
Bye Eric,
Eric: is there an official list on when which letter started to be issued? ERF’s of Van Steenbergen had AFU.615, DEA.044 amongst other
numberplates AUA.629, BHE.625 on other makes of vehicles
Hey ERF, I don’t know if you can ask for such a list,of course the state has ,but if it would be given to everyone■■?
sometimes you can ask for information forsome reasons.
The A came in '73 but if it was sold out the B came,but that could be in late '73 or mid '74 and so on.
Not sure but for the D I think about '76■■ We had an F in mid '77 but got an A in '79 it was given out again.
But for the ERF’s it could be true,AU is nearly the and of the A and the BH is in the beginning of the B so close together.
One of the first 89’s we got with the beige interior in the spring of '73 had already the AD so a D after the A. It could have been a good selling year. In '75 oil crisis a bad year so a slow down.
But of my part I think it’s best to be the owner of the plate,less paper work and can remember them better Maybe■■?
Cheers Eric,
Don’t wish to appear pedantic, but the A/C units were made by Kysor, if you’re putting all this together in your book, it will look better if it’s correct 
Eric: is there an official list on when which letter started to be issued? ERF’s of Van Steenbergen had AFU.615, DEA.044 amongst other
numberplates AUA.629, BHE.625 on other makes of vehicles
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Hey ERF, I don’t know if you can ask for such a list,of course the state has ,but if it would be given to everyone■■?
sometimes you can ask for information forsome reasons.
The A came in '73 but if it was sold out the B came,but that could be in late '73 or mid '74 and so on.
Not sure but for the D I think about '76■■ We had an F in mid '77 but got an A in '79 it was given out again.
But for the ERF’s it could be true,AU is nearly the and of the A and the BH is in the beginning of the B so close together.
One of the first 89’s we got with the beige interior in the spring of '73 had already the AD so a D after the A. It could have been a good selling year. In '75 oil crisis a bad year so a slow down.
But of my part I think it’s best to be the owner of the plate,less paper work and can remember them better Maybe■■?
Thank you Eric! Meanwhile, I checked on wikipedia…there is more background also with the various combinations.
A-J
newmercman:
Don’t wish to appear pedantic, but the A/C units were made by Kysor, if you’re putting all this together in your book, it will look better if it’s correct
Yes that’s right: thank you for that. In fact the Kysors get mentioned many times in my final text. Some of them I’m a little more careful with because Kysor wasn’t the only player out there. Cheers. Robert
Oh good, seeing as your going into the smallest details like indicators and similar, didn’t want to see you balls that up 
3300John:
Hiya Robert i see the Reyner (5mw) also the Turks 5mw (Liverpool site) both have the plastic indicator/sidelights
i would think they are leftovers from the A series.I’am asking a question which i should have worked out by now.
who owned KCH when she was a 4x2 new.
John
Eyckmans of Betekom in Belgium received it first as a 4x2. I posted a lot of detail about this on an earlier page. Cheers. Robert:)
With all respect…5MW, 7MW…at the end of the day it only is about indicators (John’s quote: you replace
whatever is in your stock) or mirrors, as earlier stated the brackets of the mirrors ( }-form, ]-form, J-form) might
tell more, just as the (different position/height) of the indicators. Thibaut’s 7MW had 5MW-indicators and now
the Turks, Reyner but also Frampton show the reverse…no doubt to be continued…sunny regards, A-J
ERF-Continental:
With all respect…5MW, 7MW…at the end of the day it only is about indicators (John’s quote: you replace
whatever is in your stock) or mirrors, as earlier stated the brackets of the mirrors ( }-form, ]-form, J-form) might
tell more, just as the (different position/height) of the indicators. Thibaut’s 7MW had 5MW-indicators and now
the Turks, Reyner but also Frampton show the reverse…no doubt to be continued…sunny regards, A-J
Well, I’m not sure what this tells us, but I’ve just had a peep at the 80 or so images I have of RHD 5MWs and about three-quarters of them have sticky-out indicators and the remaining quarter has moulded ones (including Framptons and Beresford’s lorries). Robert
It tells that ERF installed whatever they then had in inventory (mind the feedback/input we had
once on the Eyckmans/Interwheels over here some 20 pages ago) and the fact that after roping
you could replace with whatever you had in stock then…it is only an indicator remember…
same as you stated with (without) the grab handles…an accident caused a replacement grille
with or without them…thin ice to walk on…let’s focus on the last 25 NGC’s somewhere
ERF-Continental:
It tells that ERF installed whatever they then had in inventory (mind the feedback/input we had
once on the Eyckmans/Interwheels over here some 20 pages ago) and the fact that after roping
you could replace with whatever you had in stock then…it is only an indicator remember…
same as you stated with (without) the grab handles…an accident caused a replacement grille
with or without them…thin ice to walk on…let’s focus on the last 25 NGC’s somewhere
Yep. I reckon that just about sums it up! Robert
