ERF 'European' (1975)

zzarbean:
The 240 straight eight Gardner in it’s time (when 180 - 220 was the norm) was looked on as a premium and desirable engine by both Gaffers and drivers. Gardner then added a blower to this engine upping the power to 300 or so. Fitted into B series E.Vick used these on the North Africa run for 10 years or so. Once rebuilt by Vick’s fitter they would give seven years service without needed anything major done to them.
The big problem was that, allegedly, ERF’s engineers said that the engine would not fit into a LHD B series. This was something that Vick’s fitter disproved but was never taken up by ERF (perhaps he wanted too much for his design) :unamused: :wink:

‘Heaps’ the early UK ERF’s may have been but don’t include the Gardner engine in this description.

Pushing the 8LXB hard at the Continental market might have generated enough sales to convince Hugh Gardner to increase production capacity (instead of simply charging a premium for the volume that he was able to supply), who knows? As you say, the 8 cylinder Gardner would have been seen as the premium choice in Europe, a bit like the Rolls Royce engine was, when Leyland marketed it in France in the 1980s.

[zb]
anorak:

zzarbean:
The 240 straight eight Gardner in it’s time (when 180 - 220 was the norm) was Pushing the 8LXB hard at the Continental market might have generated enough sales to convince Hugh Gardner to increase production capacity (instead of simply charging a premium for the volume that he was able to supply), who knows? As you say, the 8 cylinder Gardner would have been seen as the premium choice in Europe, a bit like the Rolls Royce engine was, when Leyland marketed it in France in the 1980s.

That statement is totally correct…unlike the missives from Leatherhead!!!

Going back a long way, to gingerfolds statement, (and he, unlike all of us had personal contact with the Gardner family), had Gardner not persued/or acquired Rolls Royce Diesel engines…

Just think what potential would have been afforded… what could have been achieved… for there is no doubt about quality…or engineering excellence…or the superb in service results…

But sadly it did not happen…but the potential for a Euro, if not World beater was really there!!!

And if you do not realise it, then you sir know little of automotive engineering…

I think a large Bollinger will drown out the spectre of lost potential…

Cheerio for now.

@Saviem…you deserve your Bollinger and I agree with the potential ERF might had in hands…

On the “Laiteries Préval” , white NGC with milktanks on trailer…perhaps it was a Demo from Mabo?

To my opinion, what you can read/find on Mabo is the number of changes/removals and the fact that
the one moment they were Mack-importer and the other moment concessionaires again. Can we assume
they were also a very short time active on ERF and some local dealers (North-West and North-East) did
their own customers like Loste, Préval, Collin etc?

Enjoy your evening all!

Hello ERF-Continental, you are correct. ERF could not provide the chassis that MABO required, I am convinced that they did not realise just how strong were MABO, or the potential that they afforded, MABO was a strong company, probably as strong as ERF in true financial terms!Perhaps I should put some financial statistics on here…but they are very “dry” and boring!

Cheerio for now.

Saviem:

[zb]
anorak:

zzarbean:
The 240 straight eight Gardner in it’s time (when 180 - 220 was the norm) was Pushing the 8LXB hard at the Continental market might have generated enough sales to convince Hugh Gardner to increase production capacity (instead of simply charging a premium for the volume that he was able to supply), who knows? As you say, the 8 cylinder Gardner would have been seen as the premium choice in Europe, a bit like the Rolls Royce engine was, when Leyland marketed it in France in the 1980s.

That statement is totally correct…unlike the missives from Leatherhead!!!

Going back a long way, to gingerfolds statement, (and he, unlike all of us had personal contact with the Gardner family), had Gardner not persued/or acquired Rolls Royce Diesel engines…

Just think what potential would have been afforded… what could have been achieved… for there is no doubt about quality…or engineering excellence…or the superb in service results…

But sadly it did not happen…but the potential for a Euro, if not World beater was really there!!!

And if you do not realise it, then you sir know little of automotive engineering…

I think a large Bollinger will drown out the spectre of lost potential…

Cheerio for now.

As I read it,if taken to it’s logical conclusion,the argument seems to be saying that using the old 8 cylinder Gardner,instead of the 14 litre ■■■■■■■■■■■■■ have been the way forward. :open_mouth: :unamused: However then you seem to be contradicting that by saying that it was a tie up with Rolls which would have done the job.Bearing in mind that the Rolls designs were closer to those of ■■■■■■■■■■ terms of number of cylinders and overall performance and cost equation,not Gardner.Which is why Leyland ( eventually ) ( rightly ) chose those two outside engine suppliers to replace it’s own failed designs for the T45 certainly not Gardner.Which then just leaves the inconvenient fact,for Rolls,that it was ■■■■■■■ which could probably out price,outperform and out produce even Rolls let alone Gardner.

It would have been ‘interesting’ to see what the already limited and understandably compromised ( for the reasons I’ve provided ) fortunes of the European would have been had it only been offered in Gardner powered form. :open_mouth:

Yes the '‘potential’ for a ‘world beater’ at least in the case of the Euro and Scandinavian opposition was there.However that 'potential would have been more realised,as I’ve said,by using up to date ■■■■■■■ engines and fuller transmissions than by going backwards in the form of Gardner.However none of that would have made the slightest difference to the issue of Euro customers buying British trucks in large enough numbers to sustain a large scale export operation.

Given the apparent sense of ERF’s offering at least some of their usual range of engines to the European market, under the 7mw cab, there must be a reason why they did not. There must have been some discussion between ERF and Gardner and ■■■■■■■ about which engines to offer. Why was the Gardner 240, or the ■■■■■■■ 250 and 290 not incorporated into a range of 7MW-cabbed vehicles? You would have thought that, having taken the plunge into Europe, with a specially-engineered chassis cab, ERF would have done everything within its grasp to sell lorries. The 250bhp tractor was the European standard in 1973. All those LB110s, F88s, TR280s, 16.232s, 1924s and the rest must have made a volume big enough that even 1% of the market would have been good business. I don’t get it.

I found a picture of the Amsterdam Show 1976 with both NGC- and B-series presented!

Meanwhile copyright forces me to remove the picture, sorry!

Importer and distributor was Best Truck Import from Rijsoord (near Rotterdam)

Invitation for scans on NGC-documentation!

Meanwhile a group of NGC-enthousiasts is formed…however we are curious
on documentation (sales brochures, manuals, pictures) available and would
appreciate scans (or in case of doubles exchange/purchase) very much!

Also information on dealers/agents is desired. Don’t hesitate in case you have
something in the drawer or shoebox…scan it and share it over here!!!

Thanks in advance, this thread should be active and informative!

A-J

Under construction…a selective group of particpants on this thread is collecting data to highlight
some nice milestones, data, pictures on the NGC-series soon! Meanwhile…don’t hesitate in case you
want to ask/share experiences, suggestions, picture, technical details etc

Have nice weekend…some things are pERFect, some things good :slight_smile:

All I get is:

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So I give up. I’ll go on private forums from now on. Robert

@Robert…walk like an Egyptian?

Question…is there any info on the short term existence of the Dutch joint venture AFGHAN International
with the orange DAF 2800’s and eurotrailers?

6 Good reasons to get a Jake brake…and one great one…

ERF-Continental.

Ask Mike (hutpik on the forum) as he worked on there and took the Afghans on their first trip to show them the ropes.

Thank you Newmercman! A-J

ERF NGC 420s on Middle-East work fell into two distinct categories: those that did the UK to Middle-East run on tilt work and those that did Saudi ‘internals’ on container work or general haulage bearing local registration plates. At least twenty-five NGC 420s fell into either of these categories on Middle-East service, representing well over a third of the total number built: 6 in the Vijore group, 5 Falcon Freight, 12 Trans Arabia, 1 SteefSlappendel, 1 French unit (813AMH75) and 2 in the Cunard CAMEL fleet. Some vehicles, such as the Eric Vick pair and the Slappendelvehicle, fell into both categories as they were sold on to Trans Arabia in Saudi.

As I mentioned earlier, the NGC 420 is my favourite piece in the jigsaw puzzle of ‘How Britain Made a Success of the TIR-trail to the Middle East,’ where it proved itself and blazed the trail for later long-haul versions of the LHD B-series model (itself marketed as a ‘trail-blazer’). Although originally marketed as an export tractor the NGC 420 gained some support from UK operators for trans-continental work. Among these were Gloucestershire hauliers Eric Vick, Richard Read and Jones Transport who formed a consortium in 1974 under the name of Vijore (the name is taken from each of their surnames) to operate on the Middle-East run with tilt trailers, alongside their domestic haulage businesses. ERF supplied them with about six NGC 420 tractive units, at least four of which were Middle-East ‘specials’ spec’d for the job. These had roof-mounted Kysor air-conditioning units, twin breather pipes up the back of the cab, Jake-brakes, visors, double bunks, Dynair fans, ‘fridges and cookers. They had the ■■■■■■■ 335 / 9-speed Fuller combination. Initially, eighty-four loads to Baghdad were planned, comprising animal-feed mills to be transported in sections. Each seven-thousand mile round trip was to take a month. At that particular time the Syria-Iraq border was closed owing to a dispute so they planned to run together for safety along the un-metalled mountain roads of their Turkish detour. The Baghdad contract carried on until 1980. They also undertook regular round trips to Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Vijore also ran to Syria, Jordan, Qatar, Iran and Pakistan.

The Eric Vick and Richard Read liveries were very tasteful indeed. Vick’s rather majestic NGC 420s were dark maroon, which was beautifully ‘lined out’ in white; with white roof, grille and bumper. Read’s vehicles were two-tone blue, again with careful ‘lining-out’. One of Vick’s units, KFH 248P, bore the legend: ‘UK — Middle East’ stencilled onto the white bumper. The other one, KFH 249P, had ‘Middle East — UK’ on its bumper. Two of the Read vehicles, KFH 250P and KFH 251P had a red and white diagonally- striped bumpers. One blogger on the Vijore thread said, ‘they looked bloody imposing in the rear-view mirror!’ Another mentioned that one of these caught fire in the desert but still made it home — this was KFH 251P which eventually morphed into a RHD B-series unit with a day cab and ended up on heavy haulage. ‘Zzzardbean’ said on the Vijore thread: ‘I took one of these ‘Europeans’ down to Avonmouth for a tacho check. Talk about stepping into another world.

From a day-cab Seddon into that monster, sat on the wrong side, it looked a mile across to the other window, an impression made worse by the fact there was no passenger seat (removed to allow more storage space). They certainly kept going: with an average of three or four weeks per trip and a week’s turn-around, they were doing ten trips a year.’ This vehicle turned out to be a 335-powered unit in Vijore livery, registered PDF 444R. The reason for the missing passenger seat was that its regular driver, the late Pete Robson, had removed it for a trip to Pakistan with spare parts for a boat laid up in Karachi. Pete Robson also drove it to Saudi, Afghanistan and Iraq.

A final comment came from ‘Hummin ■■■■■■■■■ who was commenting on a close-up picture of a Richard Read NGC 420 in the Saudi desert: ‘The driver leaning out of the cab is Keith Burson. The vehicle is an ERF ‘European’NFH 251P powered by a ■■■■■■■ 335. Keith did 18 Middle East runs. He also drove the A-series ODG 666M powered by a ■■■■■■■ 220 on his first trip to Baghdad in 1974. I remember him returning to the yard after that trip dressed in full Arab head gear, robes, sandals and sunglasses getting out of the cab going down on his hands and knees kissing the concrete! We thought he was an Arab at first as he was tanned and really looked the part. He also fooled them in his local pub dressed in the same kit and speaking a few Arabian words he`d learnt: always game for a laugh Keith!’

When I interviewed Richard Read senior and Richard Read junior at their premises in Longhope, they were able to furnish me with the names of some of the other drivers who worked on the Vijore project: the late Richard Emery, Ron Lewis, the late ■■■■ Williams, Kenny Sommerhill, Bill Watkins, Bert Tovey and Graham Averis. Laurence Taylor organised the loads and loading. Richard Read senior, 87 at the time of writing, told me of a drop-arm that had failed on an NGC 420 in the middle of nowhere and which had been welded up in a tiny Arab workshop by the roadside nearly forty years ago. ‘We still have it in the workshop now!’ he said. Like so many others, he reported that in general the NGC 420s were excellent for reliability.
I had a brief word with Eric Vick at the yard in Hardwicke. He remembered the NGC 420s as being reliable and powerful but thirsty. Their drivers, he said, had since passed away. There is a most heart-warming tale of how these two hauliers, both now in their eighties, first began to cooperate. In Richard Read’s 50th anniversary commemorative publication, Eric Vick recounts an incident in which he urgently needed a part for a broken down truck back in the mid-sixties. To get his stranded vehicle going, Richard Read removed the required part from one of his own trucks. This spawned a long-lasting business relationship which spanned many decades.

Another NGC 420 ran in Richard Read colours but was later repainted in the red, white and blue livery of the joint venture, Vijore. This was joined by PDF 444R, the above-mentioned unit that made it to Karachi and back. It later passed to Shamara of Southampton. Incidentally, the Vijore outfit sent other ERFs down to the Middle East — there were eighteen altogether - including a 5MW in Vijore livery, an A-series in Read livery and another A-series in Vick livery. Richard Read cabs had wire-mesh protecting all the windows from intruders. Robert

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Over a period of time, no fewer than twelve NGC 420s were shipped out to Jeddah container docks in Saudi Arabia by S Jones of Aldridge, to work out of the port on ‘internals’, travelling all over the Arabian Peninsula. They all ran on Saudi number plates. Spotting the upwardly spiralling haulage rates to the Middle East, S Jones saw a way of cornering the market and took co-ownership of a container transport operation called Trans Arabia in Jeddah, with an Arab partner called Bin Zagr. They ran ERF LV-series, A-series 5MWs, RHD A-series 7LVs and B-series units too, alongside a dozen American units comprising six R-series Macks and six Kenworth K100Es. The Trans Arabia livery was a cross between the S Jones parent company livery and the distinctive factory-applied ‘rocket’ red and white shown in ERF promotional pictures. The S Jones livery was red with white roof, bumper and wheel arches, so it was only a slight adjustment from red to ERF’s ‘rocket’ red for their Trans Arabia fleet. One of the NGC 420s, carrying the fleet number 142, was a gem: its combination of Trans-Arabia livery, exhaust stack, white sun-visor, roof-mounted air-con and Saudi registration plates lent it the air of an ultimate Middle-East ERF. It just so happens that this unit was one of the Eric Vick pair (KFH 248P) that passed to Trans Arabia in 1982 and photographs show that it had looked every bit as impressive as a classic ‘Middle-Easter’ in its Eric Vick livery. Trans Arabia’s other ERF models, the Macks and even the trailers were then supplied in the same colours.

The Trans Arabia outfit really was an amazing operation for anyone interested in Middle-East trucking. Even the fleet name was inspiring. Their routes were rugged and their destinations exotic. They ran an impressive fleet of ERFs by any standards but they almost certainly ran the largest known fleet of NGC 420s (twelve) and indeed probably the most comprehensive fleet of left-hand-drive ERFs ever assembled in one place: their A-series 5MWs, NGC 420s and their B-series (both 4x2 and 6x4) were nearly all LHD. Some of the work involved road-trains and Trans Arabia appears to have had one of the most unusual and exciting fleets of ERFs going. Both 20-foot and 40-foot skeletal container trailers were used, plus 40-foot flatbeds which were actually old tilts that had been stripped down and fitted with container twist-locks (sometimes referred to as ‘platform-skellies’ or PSKs). There was also a low-loader with twist-locks and a couple of trombone trailers. S Jones operated Trans Arabia for 22 years (1976-1998) before selling out to the Saudis.

An article by David Bowers in Classic Truck features an interview with Jeremy Cooke who was a young mechanic for Trans Arabia from 1977 in which Jerry reminisces about repairing NGC 420s by the road side. Unsurprisingly, sand abrasion was a common problem. He mentions a 400 mile round trip he made in the works pick-up to replace the water pump on an NGC 420 stranded out in the desert. When I later interviewed Jerry Cooke myself, he told me: ‘the 7MW was one of the best trucks ERF ever built and we did test them to the limit!’ He was already working for S Jones in the UK when they started up their Trans Arabia operation in 1976 and he went out to work in Jeddah the following year as a mechanic and driver. In the early days he had to work on the lorries in the road outside but eventually Trans Arabia constructed a workshop from old shipping containers, complete with a metal-lined inspection pit. Jerry reports that the NGC 420s were no trouble to work on and that the ■■■■■■■ 290s and 335s didn’t suffer from major problems with head gaskets and cylinder heads. He worked under the direction of a Lichfield man called Bill Smith with another mechanic, John Davies who was known as ‘Dr Truck’, who had worked on the production line at ERF. In the absence of mobile phones, news of desert breakdowns was relayed by drivers’ word of mouth to the operating base.

Trans Arabia’s NGC 420s often ran as ‘road-trains’ using two forty-foot semi-trailers and a tandem-axle dolly at gross train weights of up to a hundred tonnes. These ran from 1977 to 1982 when Saudi authorities began to clamp down on road-trains because they were destroying the new bridges and fly-overs in Saudi’s newly burgeoning cities. A limit of ten tonnes per axle was eventually imposed. Saudi temperatures venture into the fifties centigrade in summer and the combination of heavy loads and the sheer amount of road-train rubber in contact with the melting roads meant high tyre costs.

Five of Trans Arabia’s NGC 420s were 335-powered, with 9-speed Fuller ‘boxes. Eric Vick’s two ‘Middle-Easters’ arrived in 1982 with ■■■■■■■ 335s and nine-speed Fullers, receiving the fleet numbers 142 (KFH 248P) and 143 (KFH 249P). Jerry remembers that number 125 was a 335-powered unit from the UK. One unit came from the haulier SteefSlappendel in Holland and received the fleet no. 139. Another one arrived from France, with the 335 / 9-speed combination. One came from Beresford of Tunstall and was registered JDF 132N but had started life running out of Calais in Beresford’s distinctive two-tone green and yellow livery, on French registration plates.

Many of them were fitted with roof-mounted Kaisor air-conditioners. However when fitting them, in order to accommodate the pump, it was necessary to reposition the gear-lever further back and crank it forward to within the driver’s grasp. After a while the air-con units used to make the roof sag so red-painted lengths of scaffolding pipe were installed to prop them up (photos bear this out). Jerry reports that none of the NGC 420s in the Trans Arabia fleet had Fullers with the U-shaped shift fitted to pre-1975 models, but that all of them had the H-shaped four-over-four shift pattern.

Pat Kennett spoke well of the NGC 420’s road-holding ability both in the Euro Test and in his book, ERF: World Trucks No. 1 in which he refers to their ‘outstanding road-holding characteristic.’ Jerry Cooke concurs. Most of the work centred on the transport of shipping containers but Trans Arabia undertook a significant amount of general haulage, including steel and transporting luxury boats and caravans from the Red Sea port to the Arabian Gulf. The high weights at which these ERFs were running made them grunt a bit in the mountains but on the straight they could fly at seventy-five miles per hour. Destinations included Kuwait, Dammam, Al-Khobar and the capital, Riyadh where Trans Arabia had a small depot. One of their most demanding regular routes ran across the mountains south of Jeddah to KhamisMushayt, close to the border with Yemen. Jerry reckoned an NGC 420 needed a good three hours to get over these mountains but as already mentioned, they were in their element in hilly country. Another gruelling route, especially for the NGC 420 road-trains, was the road over Taif Mountain en route east to Riyadh and Dammam. Only the new B-series units undertook international work to Kuwait and the Emirates.

The big ■■■■■■■ 335s were pretty thirsty but Saudi diesel only cost pennies. Nonetheless, Trans NGC 420s had extra fuel tanks mounted on the chassis behind the cab where the cat-walk would be, but apparently they didn’t last very long, presumably because of the road surfaces. Trans Arabia’s Europeans gave approximately seven years of service and for all anyone knows, their remains may yet be preserved in sand.

Of the seven A-series NGC 420s supplied to Trans Arabia with the ■■■■■■■ 290 / 13-speed Fuller combination, six were brand new, receiving fleet numbers 105 to 110. The remaining example was second-hand and came from Holland (fleet no. 126) complete with its TIR-plate. A photograph of ‘Gypsy’ Dave Anslow standing in front of his 290-powered unit (Trans Arabia no. 109) is inscribed on the back with his handwritten message: ‘freighted in Jeddah with nearly 40 tons of steel taking the total weight to 53 tons. It is capable of 56 tons. Anything after that and it makes it cough a bit.’ His unit wasn’t spared road-train duty and several photographs show 109 pulling two semi-trailers. Other drivers included Tony Pearce, Stevie Whitehouse, Ian Roberts and Andy Wisdom. Robert



Another operator who ran NGC 420 s out of Jeddah was CAMEL (Cunard Arabian Middle-East Line). Cunard started up a complete Europe - Middle-East operation in 1976, with its own container ships and its own road transport operation in Jeddah. Three 6,500 ton Strider class vessels were used: Jeddah Crown, Aqaba Crown and Saudi Crown. These plied between Hamburg, Felixstowe and Rotterdam in Europe; and the Saudi port of Jeddah, the Yemeni port of Hodeiadah and the Jordanian port of Aqaba. A mixture of 20-foot ISO containers, 40-foot containers and unaccompanied TIR trailers formed a typical cargo, and 328 twenty-foot shipping containers could be accommodated. These stern-loaders were equipped with Liebherr straddle-cranes on rails, and trailers were loaded on board, using Cunard’s own Ottawa dock tugs before disembarking.

Eighteen CAMEL ERFs in total were based in Jeddah. The livery was blue with a white waist band, white roof and no sign-writing. Two NGC 420 42-tonners with NTC 335s were used for the long-haul operations across Saudi Arabia. For local duties CAMEL used day-cabbed B-series 40-tonners with ■■■■■■■ NHC 250s. Six ERFs were 350-powered 6x4 B-series 57-tonners for use off the beaten track. All of them in the fleet had 9-speed Fuller gearboxes. Like Trans Arabia, they found that their ERFs gave very little trouble in the desert’s harsh conditions. According to their transport operations manager in Jeddah, Alastair MacVean, the few problems they did encounter were mostly to do with the ingress of sand into the seals of clutch master cylinders and the power-steering gear. He told the Motor Transport’s reporter Alan Bunting that the Dynair fans ensured that vehicles didn’t over-heat, even at 45 tons gross and ambient temperatures of 37C plus.

Just like Trans Arabia, CAMEL’s workshops began outside, but with the added benefit of a canvas cover. Rather than use Middle-East suppliers, they used UK stockists for ■■■■■■■ and Kirkstall parts. CAMEL ran a policy of two trailers per tractive unit, ensuring that local deliveries could be made by leaving trailers at the customers’ premises while the units continued to unload ships. All 36 trailers were built by Tasker and were a mixture of skeletals and platform-skeletals. CAMEL also handled some TIR freight, mostly refrigerated trailers.

Drivers were recruited in Britain and worked three-month stints with breaks in the UK in between, on a tax-free take-home salary of £200 per week. Not surprisingly, CAMEL had 3000 applicants for the first twelve vacancies. Eventually, twenty drivers at a time worked at Jeddah and as they were responsible for the entire delivery operation, they were carefully selected. Really seasoned drivers who knew the Middle-East run inside-out tended to be eschewed in case they knew all the dodges for which such drivers had become notorious. However, they had to employ two Saudi drivers because non-Muslims were, and are now, not permitted to enter the holy cities of Mecca or Medina.

Trans Arabia and CAMEL weren’t the only British outfit doing ‘internals’ on the Arabian Peninsula: there were several others including Astran Gulf, to which a chapter is dedicated in Ashley Coghill’s fabulous book, The Long Haul Pioneers; Whitetrux of Canterbury; and rather more significantly, Falcon Freight who operated five NGC 420 tractive units, built in 1974 and 1975, out of Dubai. Robert
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Article by Wobbe Reitsma removed following his copyright concerns, Robert