ERF-Continental:
Possibly the Dutch wanted to sell the Collin-NGC soon to an REVS-enthusiast…for spares?.
No, he was quite clear about this: some Dutch indeed showed interest in this truck but it was either too expensive or too rotten. The last thing we know is that one Englishman showed interest in the truck. That Englishman is a member of REVS!
With all respect…very vague…Cookie or Gerry should know…I guess
Strange Wobbe and René did have contact on the register and some NON-owners appeared
In all fairness, it’s all about Wobbe, Jerry and Rene nowadays…however a minimum harvest on info nor pictures?
We also have from Rene a bit more flesh on the history of 87-69-RB. We know that it was owned by Willemstein, de Regt then Vermeulen. However, it transpires that Willemstein ran it in the livery of Goedkoop / de Geus whom he pulled for. Also, de Regt ran it in the livery of Nabek, whom he pulled for. Finally, it was owned by Van den Boogaard when they took over Vermeulen.
This may be the mystery de Geus unit…Cheers, Robert.
ERF-Continental:
In all fairness, I’ll stick to the input/register gained till now! Bear in mind we are talking about plus 40 years
of existence and it’s hard to doubt now…we are close to the plus 90 known ERF NGCs so let’s focus on the
just failing to close the books with genuine and tremendous memories on a great (more or less) global lorry!!
D’accord, there is no reason to delete any from the register. The olive green NGC can remain but without the Prooi bit. Robert 
I know of Boogerd, but that was ‘only’ for their special licenses and they turned back to their usual business
of hauling containers…merely in supply of the building industry. Vermeulen was past tense, the founders
passed and the family didn’t have intenstions nor a clue to continue transport-business.
Nabek is ‘only’ a smart forwarder in outsourcing their hard business, nothing more nothing less.
We should aim on the first users of NGC’s as nobody would continue/start transport with old/scrap lorries.
With respect…Willemstein, De Regt and others were small local transport companies…but they performed!
By the way, 87-69-RB can’t have been the first NGC in Holland because it didn’t go directly to Vermeulen. The other Vermeulen unit (34-UB-99) is more likely, especially as it retains its black grille, but ONLY if it is certain that the first one went to Vermeulen. Have we any proof of this? Robert
I’ve had a closer look at a ‘new’ pic of the Schaap unit. It has a completely different livery from the other picture we have of it (in my book: blue and white). This one is green and white with Schaap on the visor but ‘K’ on the door. It is in olive green, so could this be the mystery olive green unit we thought belonged to Prooi? Or, did Schaap perhaps have more then one NGC? Robert
robert1952:
By the way, 87-69-RB can’t have been the first NGC in Holland because it didn’t go directly to Vermeulen. The other Vermeulen unit (34-UB-99) is more likely, especially as it retains its black grille, but ONLY if it is certain that the first one went to Vermeulen. Have we any proof of this? Robert
05-17-FB was the first one…see also lucas-bulb-indicator
robert1952:
I’ve had a closer look at a ‘new’ pic of the Schaap unit. It has a completely different livery from the other picture we have of it (in my book: blue and white). This one is green and white with Schaap on the visor but ‘K’ on the door. It is in olive green, so could this be the mystery olive green unit we thought belonged to Prooi? Or, did Schaap perhaps have more then one NGC? Robert
Schaap is a frequent name in transportation, so probably another company.
ERF-Continental:
robert1952:
By the way, 87-69-RB can’t have been the first NGC in Holland because it didn’t go directly to Vermeulen. The other Vermeulen unit (34-UB-99) is more likely, especially as it retains its black grille, but ONLY if it is certain that the first one went to Vermeulen. Have we any proof of this? Robert05-17-FB was the first one…see also lucas-bulb-indicator
Yep! Sorry, crossed wires there - you’re right.
ERF-Continental:
robert1952:
I’ve had a closer look at a ‘new’ pic of the Schaap unit. It has a completely different livery from the other picture we have of it (in my book: blue and white). This one is green and white with Schaap on the visor but ‘K’ on the door. It is in olive green, so could this be the mystery olive green unit we thought belonged to Prooi? Or, did Schaap perhaps have more then one NGC? RobertSchaap is a frequent name in transportation, so probably another company.
Well, it is quite clearly the same vehicle - bumper spot lamps, red transparent visor, haz-plate in same position, and paintwork pattern identical but the blue has been turned to olive green. It would appear to be the same Schaap running in a customer’s livery. Robert
Rene’s information is first-hand knowledge, not guesswork. Mr Ben Schaap ran his ERF NGC in Konig livery. It is also confirmed at source (Mr Schaap) that X-03-44 is indeed the same truck as 84-56-JB. Also that it was the first ADR Haznet ERF in the Netherlands. And I’ll bet this is the olive-green one we were looking for! Robert
An example of their own lorries, König transport from Rotterdam, also Bos (CargoBoss) from Naaldwijk
is related to König by family-relations. Nice the mystery is solved, also thanks to Saviem with his agenda
and the advertisement when the König NGC was for sale.
This has cleared a few things up and solved a mystery, as you say - which Saviem first drew our attention to (the olive green lorry). My only disappointment is that this leaves us with little choice but to drop the ‘olive green Prooi’ NGC from our registers. It remains true of course that the two liveries are very similar, but the ‘K’ on the door clinches it, along with information from the owner himself! Also, sadly we must delete ONE of the Goedkoop/ De Geus units. So, on to the next mystery… Robert
Unclear to me why there would be a link to Goedkoop & De Geus…as I have a confirmation
that at least two NGCs were in their livery. It’s your call with regard to the book/register.
By the way, manager at König then was Mr. Van der Kaay and it is new to me that they outsourced
transport to companies as Schaap, maintaining the König-livery. König was also strong in containers
and I will ask the rental company of Groenenboom (XTRA etc) for more clarity.
In our mutual Dutch-register I count 13 NGCs known/confirmed of which 11 NGCs with pictures.
ERF-Continental:
Unclear to me why there would be a link to Goedkoop & De Geus…as I have a confirmation
that at least two NGCs were in their livery. It’s your call with regard to the book/register.By the way, manager at König then was Mr. Van der Kaay and it is new to me that they outsourced
transport to companies as Schaap, maintaining the König-livery. König was also strong in containers
and I will ask the rental company of Groenenboom (XTRA etc) for more clarity.
I mentioned this because Rene said that 87-69-RB ran in the livery of Goedkoop / De Geus when it was in Willemstein’s possession. You mentioned that two ran in those colours so I am assuming that 87-69-RB is one of them. Robert
ERF-Continental:
In our mutual Dutch-register I count 13 NGCs known/confirmed of which 11 NGCs with pictures.
I make it 14 in total, 13 with pictures, as follows:
34-UB-99/91-99-HB
05-17-FB
87-69-RB
12-97-FB
41-54-NB
DB-77-52
16-37-FB
83-75-HB
21-96-NB
06-09-TB
84-56-JB
? = Trans Arabia 124 (probably 84-56-JB but we don’t know)
? = Trans Arabia 126
? = De Geus / Goedkoop (identified by you) – [no pic]
All along, I have counted those two Tran Arabia units ex-Holland as separate units where the original number is not known. ie I have assumed that they are ‘new’ ones until proved to be doubled up with units we already knew about. In exactly the same way, I am treating your 2nd Goedkoop vehicle as ‘new’ unless, like the 1st one, it can be shown to be one we already knew about. I applied the same principal to the Prooi > Schaap vehicle. Robert
Well, once again we have it ‘from the horse’s mouth’, so to speak. Rene is in touch with both the Willemstein and the Schaap families. Today they confirm the following:
Cees Willemstein had only 1 ERF in the Goedkoop/de Geus livery
DB-77-52 was in the colours of HT Wilhelminakade of Rotterdam with a little added fantasy
Regarding Schaap, all Konig subbies/charters had to use the Konig livery
Hope this helps. Robert
