Saviem:
Oh dear…have I touched a nerve…Your comments…I do not think so…
Have a nice day y`all!
Cheerio for now.
Pfff… typical… again…
just say whatever you want…
not taking any responsibility
just hide behind: Oh dear I have touched a nerve
my god wot a ■■■■■■■ ■■■■■■ you are.
Leyland_marathon2:
On may 31st of 1974, Mr. W Ghys of CDB visited Mr. Eyckmans to discuss the buying of an NGC-420. Accordingly on june 4th 1974 Mr Eyckmans was offered and NGC-420, 3.10 metres wheelbase, with a Fuller 9509A gearbox. So not a 9508 as stated on your book insert. A Fuller RTO 9513 was offerend as an option for an extra 15000 belgium francks. Including a one year warranty or 80000 kilometers, which ever comes first.
Thanks for this information ‘Leyland-marathon’ - most useful. I am given to understand that 9508 was stated on the original build card but its academic. They were usually supplied with the 9509A so it might even be a typo - I don’t suppose we’ll ever know! Good to hear from you. Robert
seth 70:
Hows the book sales going robertok i hope…
Far better than expected, thank you Seth70! New one is nearly ready to submit. cheers, Robert
Leyland_marathon2:
Here’s a picture of the french NGC ad I found on the leboncoin website. I have made some enquiries about the whereabouts of this unit. When I receive
useful answer I will post it heren.0
Thank you! Robert
Oh dear! Just read the subsequent posts. This thread has been through some stormy moments before. I trust it will settle. Keep the info coming chaps! Robert
Saviem:
Evening all…Then I get a PM, from someone called A-J, (and also “En Tour Age” and ERF Continental…two titles for the same poster)!!!..to complain that he cannot continue due to the threads becoming" rough"…and citing his “academic research”, and everyone else`s posts not being “fact based”…
Cheerio for now.
I have also been on the receiving end of barbed comments from this poster, operating under either username. I used to put it down to enthusiasm, coupled with the English/Dutch language barrier, but it is more than that:
What is the true agenda of our multi-monikered correspondent?
robert1952:
Leyland_marathon2:
On may 31st of 1974, Mr. W Ghys of CDB visited Mr. Eyckmans to discuss the buying of an NGC-420. Accordingly on june 4th 1974 Mr Eyckmans was offered and NGC-420, 3.10 metres wheelbase, with a Fuller 9509A gearbox. So not a 9508 as stated on your book insert. A Fuller RTO 9513 was offerend as an option for an extra 15000 belgium francks. Including a one year warranty or 80000 kilometers, which ever comes first.Thanks for this information ‘Leyland-marathon’ - most useful. I am given to understand that 9508 was stated on the original build card but its academic. They were usually supplied with the 9509A so it might even be a typo - I don’t suppose we’ll ever know! Good to hear from you. Robert
My info comes from the original offer letter which is in my possession.
Rene Postma
Leyland_marathon2:
robert1952:
Leyland_marathon2:
On may 31st of 1974, Mr. W Ghys of CDB visited Mr. Eyckmans to discuss the buying of an NGC-420. Accordingly on june 4th 1974 Mr Eyckmans was offered and NGC-420, 3.10 metres wheelbase, with a Fuller 9509A gearbox. So not a 9508 as stated on your book insert. A Fuller RTO 9513 was offerend as an option for an extra 15000 belgium francks. Including a one year warranty or 80000 kilometers, which ever comes first.Thanks for this information ‘Leyland-marathon’ - most useful. I am given to understand that 9508 was stated on the original build card but its academic. They were usually supplied with the 9509A so it might even be a typo - I don’t suppose we’ll ever know! Good to hear from you. Robert
My info comes from the original offer letter which is in my possession.
Rene Postma
Thank you Rene, for adding good detail to our bank of information. This will help me to refine the contents of my next book. Cheers! Robert
Saviem:
Good luck Robert…if you can sort fact from fiction!!!
Cheerio for now.
Thanks, I’m doing my best Saviem! Robert
Just out of interest, here’s a scan of the the invoice for the Eyckmans NGC which itemises the Fuller 'box and it’s cost as per Rene’s letter of quote. The only discrepancy appears to be the wheelbase, which rather than 3.10m turned out to be 3.50! The invoice is, of course, issued by ■■■■■■■ Distributor Belgium (CDB). Robert
Saviem:
Evening all,Robert, here is a bit of a bone for you to search out, and as you have a grasp of Flemish/Dutch, could be of interest to you.
When Pat and Andrew Frankl began to syndicate the idea of the “Eurotest”, one of the first to take it up was Jan Poels, then Editor of the Dutch Haulage Trade magazine " Berops Vervoer" based at Rijseijk.
His strategy was to combine the various groupings, and then publish as a consolidated group, and to be frank it made for easier reading, and comparison.
The ERF Continental, et al, were in the December `78 edition, along with the Marathon, and out SM340. Really is worth a look, (maybe that Tip Top, and ERF Continental may be able to help out).
Personally I found it as good a magazine as Commercial Motor, for reference,( although my copies are long gone to land fil)l! Came to me today as I was moving a rather large pre cast concrete lintol…whil
st keeping an eye on the Wheats changing colour…(.I can never work out how my brain works, if it does)!!!Cheerio for now.
Fantastic lead, Saviem! And with a vital clue from Anorak and another from A-J I’ve tracked it down via one of our TNUK contributors (JWK). In fact, it turns out to be an interesting Dutch re-working of Pat Kennett’s July/Aug '77 Euro-Test in which he pitted the B-series against several European makes (see original TRUCK test on the LHD B-series thread) but included some data and pictures about the NGC which he thought still relevant (he was right!).
This led to the further unearthing of an article in Auto-en Transportwerld (NL) 18th October 1974 in which the first NGC to be imported into Holland was reviewed. This vehicle is believed to have gone to Vermeulen the heavy haulers.
Thank you, all four of you, for contributing pieces which created a completed jigsaw when combined! Robert 
I very much regret the polution of this thread as I was triggered by this chassis since 1978
and I now notice it is not important WHAT you post but the WAY other people judge the
content. Apparently our beloved and dearest John (Mr. Saviem) prefered the way to chose
the audience after my PM to him and I stated that En-Tour-Age (Alex, for 8 years dedicated
to Mack-sales in the BeNeLux for Zwaans and Van Hove) gave him his best regards through
me as he is hindered by a serious illness since June. I can handle this and also the way others
throw their mud (just copying and believing what has been said is true or not) but at the end
of the day it IS respect and CONTENT over here to post, no verdicts.
It was heartwarming to receive numerous reactions of former and recent posters and I truly
hope that the subject is not affected in a way that Robert1952 would miss ERF NGC gems!
A-J
Note: Alex and I have 10 years and 100kms in between, just respect him please! Apparently
some ‘participants’ prefer the virtual/verbal battle to attack people, as frequently Carryfast
experienced, if it was good or wrong.
Business as usual…no reactions on what happened or did not happen at all? I wish John (Saviem) really a fair
number of years on his tractor and behind the many cases of Bollinger…I will not argue there are better ones
Meanwhile I inputed and informed Robert1952 with some small gems he might use for volume 2 or 3 or…?
The first NGC to be delivered to the Netherlands, thought to have gone to Vermeulen heavy haulage outfit. Seen here just before being launched into orbit. 
Robert
According to Rene (nowdays in USA)…
In the photo above , the NGC appears to have handrails at the rear of the cab door as normal , but also 1 in front of cab door , & having checked through 1st 30 pages of this thread , it is only one with 2 handrails on the one side . 
I hope I didn’t steel the cake from Robert’s plate…to me it looks as an antenna…
Grab handles (to clean the windows) were not present at this moment…I understood
you did tilt the cab hydraulically with a lever …Armstrong-supplied
Casual Observer:
In the photo above , the NGC appears to have handrails at the rear of the cab door as normal , but also 1 in front of cab door , & having checked through 1st 30 pages of this thread , it is only one with 2 handrails on the one side .
That caught my attention too! However, closer scrutiny shows that it is (or appears to be) an aerial. Robert
woops! I think our posts ‘crossed over’. Robert
