What’s the situation with eco cruise now?
Have all the trucks got it?
It’s such an annoyance to me
Brick on the throttle trick.
The system should be banned. Going up hill and all of a sudden the vehicle in front starts slowing showing no brake lights to save a minuscule bit of fuel. Not safe shouldn’t be allowed.
Evolved:
Brick on the throttle trick.
Just like the old fashioned timber cruise control.
Sploom:
What’s the situation with eco cruise now?
Have all the trucks got it?
It’s such an annoyance to me
Totally agree. Think the designers
a. have no inkling of what road transport is about
b. appear too think we can amble along without a care in the world totaly chilling out
c. forget that trucks intermingle with cars. So if the truck slows down, the cars overtake.
RTFM, assuming there is one, if not go into ‘settings’ on the menu and have a poke nose about.
On some you can still turn it off completely via the menu (for now), on some others you can adjust the parameters down to the minimum, how to do this is not always obvious so without the manual you might struggle to find how, oh and you have to do this every time you restart because it will more than likely default back when you turn the engine off.
Agreed its a pain in the arse and causes constant problems on our overcrowded roads.
I think it’s great!
Too many drivers think wasting a few seconds every hour is a disaster, then continue wasting an hour on their own volition 
milodon:
I think it’s great!Too many drivers think wasting a few seconds every hour is a disaster, then continue wasting an hour on their own volition
On an empty road they’re fine.
On UK’s over crowded roads, vehicles all accelerating and slowing at different rates due to differing loads, it’s not such a good idea. It is exacerbated by drivers following too close, it’s true, but one vehicles eco-roll is the following vehickesbraking and fuel waste.
Depending on the setting our Volvos will increase the speed when approaching a hill much to the annoyance of the driver who is attempting to pass me at +1mph, he then gives the coffee bean wave from his front windscreen as I pull away from him. Or the driver who’s right up my jacksy when reaching a summit only for my speed to drop because it thinks it’s got enough momentum to get over the hill and then said driver behind is even closer to the back doors.
Franglais:
milodon:
I think it’s great!Too many drivers think wasting a few seconds every hour is a disaster, then continue wasting an hour on their own volition
On an empty road they’re fine.
On UK’s over crowded roads, vehicles all accelerating and slowing at different rates due to differing loads, it’s not such a good idea. It is exacerbated by drivers following too close, it’s true, but one vehicles eco-roll is the following vehickesbraking and fuel waste.
I’m going to take a slightly different tack here rightly or wrongly; I’ve never had a problem with eco roll tbf, but I think that has more to do with being situationally aware. By that I mean that within a very short while of driving a vehicle with eco roll you should develop a feel for when it’s going to kick in and perhaps cause a problem. I know exactly when this going to happen so I’ve already checked my mirrors to see what is following. If it’s a lorry close behind I’ll already be resting my foot on the accelerator ready to intervene to maintain the same speed. If the road behind is clear I’ll let it do its stuff. It’s just a case of concentration really.
the maoster:
Franglais:
milodon:
I think it’s great!Too many drivers think wasting a few seconds every hour is a disaster, then continue wasting an hour on their own volition
On an empty road they’re fine.
On UK’s over crowded roads, vehicles all accelerating and slowing at different rates due to differing loads, it’s not such a good idea. It is exacerbated by drivers following too close, it’s true, but one vehicles eco-roll is the following vehickesbraking and fuel waste.I’m going to take a slightly different tack here rightly or wrongly; I’ve never had a problem with eco roll tbf, but I think that has more to do with being situationally aware. By that I mean that within a very short while of driving a vehicle with eco roll you should develop a feel for when it’s going to kick in and perhaps cause a problem. I know exactly when this going to happen so I’ve already checked my mirrors to see what is following. If it’s a lorry close behind I’ll already be resting my foot on the accelerator ready to intervene to maintain the same speed. If the road behind is clear I’ll let it do its stuff. It’s just a case of concentration really.
This.
the maoster:
Franglais:
milodon:
I think it’s great!Too many drivers think wasting a few seconds every hour is a disaster, then continue wasting an hour on their own volition
On an empty road they’re fine.
On UK’s over crowded roads, vehicles all accelerating and slowing at different rates due to differing loads, it’s not such a good idea. It is exacerbated by drivers following too close, it’s true, but one vehicles eco-roll is the following vehickesbraking and fuel waste.I’m going to take a slightly different tack here rightly or wrongly; I’ve never had a problem with eco roll tbf, but I think that has more to do with being situationally aware. By that I mean that within a very short while of driving a vehicle with eco roll you should develop a feel for when it’s going to kick in and perhaps cause a problem. I know exactly when this going to happen so I’ve already checked my mirrors to see what is following. If it’s a lorry close behind I’ll already be resting my foot on the accelerator ready to intervene to maintain the same speed. If the road behind is clear I’ll let it do its stuff. It’s just a case of concentration really.
Perfectly good way to use the system.
Let it do it own thing on an empty road.
But keep the vehicle at a steady speed if in traffic.
Its a little more difficult to keep a steady speed for drivers who don’t set cruise at max speed, for maxxers its a just a case of keeping your foot down when eco roll is likely, for those who run 3 or 4k’s below max on cruise you have to be ready for the change in speed, not so easy to detect in new gen Scanias i find because the cabs are so well soundproofed and you can’t switch eco ■■■■■■■■ off.
Juddian:
new gen Scanias i find because the cabs are so well soundproofed and you can’t switch eco ■■■■■■■■ off.
You can if they have not been set by a Company wanting the option removed, On ours you could use all three gearbox modes, power Standard and Eco, I used all three when conditions suited it. Eco was good for running empty or very light, while the power setting was great for heavy loads in hilly terrain. I did come across some new Gen users who had only Eco mode enabled… and a fair few who didnt know how to change it!
Twoninety88:
Juddian:
new gen Scanias i find because the cabs are so well soundproofed and you can’t switch eco ■■■■■■■■ off.You can if they have not been set by a Company wanting the option removed, On ours you could use all three gearbox modes, power Standard and Eco, I used all three when conditions suited it. Eco was good for running empty or very light, while the power setting was great for heavy loads in hilly terrain. I did come across some new Gen users who had only Eco mode enabled… and a fair few who didnt know how to change it!
Our new gen gearboxes still have the three options, never needed anything other than normal drive to be honest, its eco roll that can’t be adjusted or switched off.
Some other makes eco roll/ecocruise can be switched off completely or if used it can be adjusted down to about 3km per hour either side of set speed.
I must admit that I am hater of eco roll, so thinking about situation when i walk in Scania showroom with 120k in plastic bag…will they sell me one without this stupid feature?
It certainly is not making UK roads safer
Never heard of eco roll
Is.it just another name.for adaptive cruise control?
I used have that on my daf found it was a good idea when running up.to Scotland
the maoster:
Franglais:
milodon:
I think it’s great!Too many drivers think wasting a few seconds every hour is a disaster, then continue wasting an hour on their own volition
On an empty road they’re fine.
On UK’s over crowded roads, vehicles all accelerating and slowing at different rates due to differing loads, it’s not such a good idea. It is exacerbated by drivers following too close, it’s true, but one vehicles eco-roll is the following vehickesbraking and fuel waste.I’m going to take a slightly different tack here rightly or wrongly; I’ve never had a problem with eco roll tbf, but I think that has more to do with being situationally aware. By that I mean that within a very short while of driving a vehicle with eco roll you should develop a feel for when it’s going to kick in and perhaps cause a problem. I know exactly when this going to happen so I’ve already checked my mirrors to see what is following. If it’s a lorry close behind I’ll already be resting my foot on the accelerator ready to intervene to maintain the same speed. If the road behind is clear I’ll let it do its stuff. It’s just a case of concentration really.
I’m the opposite if a lorry is following close behind I make sure the eco roll kicks in with the maximum reduction in speed it will allow me to set it to. Should teach him to not follow so close next time.
edd1974:
Never heard of eco roll
Is.it just another name.for adaptive cruise control?
I used have that on my daf found it was a good idea when running up.to Scotland
Eco roll is sometimes known as ‘efficient cruise’, some lorries can have efficient roll as well as eco/efficient cruise, some don’t, some lorries you can turn these things off via the dash menu some you can’t.
Adaptive cruise is something else again.
E/Cruise is really what is causing the issues, it uses GPS to a great extent to take advantage of terrain, cutting power before the crest of a hill allowing momentum to carry the vehicle over the top without wasting fuel. A fine design on its own and no problem at all on quiet roads, but our roads are generally too bust to take full advantage, if the vehicle slows by up to 8kph then vehicles you might be restricted to 3kph less than you will start to overtake you, there might be 4 in a bunch, so the elephant racing starts, because one of maybe two will get past but by the time the third one is alongside the ecorolling wagon will be up to full speed again the other side of the hill, we see this scenario played out hundreds of times a day.
E/roll is slightly different (but a particulare vehicle may have only eco roll not eco cruise as well hence the confusion in wording), if you turn off E/cruise but leave E/roll on, the vehicle won’t slow down as described, but it will allow the vehicle to take advantage of slipping into Neutral and coasting (if left in auto, using manual mode may stop this happening) for considerable distances, something lorry drivers have been doing decades before this electronic garbage was dreamed up, but was always frowned upon before as the vehicle is out of gear and liable to runaway, not sure how they’ve got round this re type approval but they have.
Adaptive cruise uses the radar sensor on the front to allow the vehicle in front to set the pace and the vehicle using AC to follow, the vehicle using Adaptive Cruise to maintain speed and distance from said vehicle in front.
I’m not a user of A/Cruise and wouldn’t use it myself, though others do and thats fine if it suits you, its not for me personally, doubtless some sarky little twerp will be along soon to say something disparaging in personal insults about those of us not sold on all of this tech.
My man has both eco roll and eco cruise. You can turn it off via the dash menu
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