I kind of a little baffled by this thread. I mean what does it matter now?
Now with all due respect to big Harry, it is about the law, so it probably seemed sensible to stick it in the “SAFETY, LAW AND WORKING TIME DIRECTIVE FORUM (INTERACTIVE)” section. However, I’d like to suggest it’s also about the law of yesteryear, which by default makes it no longer the law any more. Given that there is a “OLD TIME LORRIES, COMPANIES AND DRIVERS (INTERACTIVE)” which is for amongst other things “for us all to indulge in a little nostalgia”, I reckon it is also suitable to chuck it in there.
Harry Monk:
You have been put on pre-mod before for giving erroneous advice, and refusing to listen to wiser souls. Don’t let it happen again.
I can prove what I said - would you like the telephone number of those ex police traffic officers so you can ask them yourself?
Now, can you prove otherwise?
I think we’ll just have to disagree on this one Rog.
Thirty years down the line, truck drivers’ licensing may have changed again. Somebody might say that it was illegal to drive a tractor unit on a Class C licence in 2011, and they might have policemen friends who agree with them.
It wouldn’t make him, or them, right.
You have heard over and over again, from people who were actually doing the job in the days of HGV licensing, what the law was. But one of your primary characteristics is that you ignore anything which is not consistent with your mindset.
Harry Monk:
You have been put on pre-mod before for giving erroneous advice, and refusing to listen to wiser souls. Don’t let it happen again.
I can prove what I said - would you like the telephone number of those ex police traffic officers so you can ask them yourself?
Now, can you prove otherwise?
All that would confirm is that they are talking nonsense. There is a history on here of police officers insisting something was illegal, and they had nicked people for it, and it was proved they were talking ■■■■■■■■.
It is of course not possible to find an example were someone was not prosecuted for driving a tractor unit on a Class 2 or 3 licence but can you find a case where someone was prosecuted and found guilty? As this was a daily occurrence, especially among fitters while collecting units for service or road testing, there is bound to be many cases of this isn’t there?
As I mentioned earlier in the thread this was a popular question asked in the legal/ask the expert pages of various trucking publications. I remember seeing it several times and at least a couple of times in the best magazine devoted to this industry there has ever been, Headlight, which was like a bible when it came to legal stuff. The answer was always the same, with the 5th wheel in place a Class 2 or 3 depending on number of axles and with the 5th wheel removed, and weighing less than 7.5 t, an ordinary licence.
As this was a daily occurrence, especially among fitters while collecting units for service or road testing, there is bound to be many cases of this isn’t there?
Not really, in those early days of HGV, most fitters etc would have got a class1 through grandfather rights
As this was a daily occurrence, especially among fitters while collecting units for service or road testing, there is bound to be many cases of this isn’t there?
Not really, in those early days of HGV, most fitters etc would have got a class1 through grandfather rights
Only if they had been driving lorries regularly since July 1969. Driver Testing was reintroduced again on the 2nd February 1970. It was used before the second world war but suspended
There have been a lot of mechanic / fitters come into the game over the last 40 years.
Yes, but this thread is referring to the HGV licence not the current one.
Most people concerned with trucks etc who were over 21 when the legislation came into force normally got someone to sign the form saying that they had been driving such vehicles for the required time.
This included most mechanics etc. who would have been driving all classes of HGV prior to this on a normal full licence.
Coffeeholic:
[The removal of the 5th wheel was to enable it to be driven on an ordinary licence because it made it sn incomplete motor vehicle or something, like those mad blokes in the padded suits and crash helmets driving the coach chassis on a car licence.
Got a pic? Ta.
No, but they used to be s common sight on the motorway. I guess elf ‘m’ safety have put an end to it
i can remember these ,i used to think wow how bloody cold it must have been and in the pooring rain as well
