So we get invaded by other human beings,their country of origin doesn’t matter,after all they are human beings who are only playing the system.The system in the mean time plays you,(me) then wants us to work the same as the other human beings for less pay because there is now a bigger pool of human beings to choose from. Business likes that and so does the system its a circle that cant be broken,unless we as human beings just say no.No need for violence,just down tools and talk.But be careful because the system and business is very clever because it plays one human being off against the other,we end up labeling each other,foreigners,southerners,northerners,ect ect.So the one thing that the system and business cant defeat is if all the human beings unite and don’t turn against each other.
Reminder of what the system is,its the courts all over the world,its the media,its the lawyers,police,army,its councils.So the system is huge almost frightening but its rather tiny when it comes to all us human beings,infact if we all stick together the system and business almost disappear. I think that’s how we sort out a lot of the problems facing not just drivers but all human beings.
1rustyspring:
So we get invaded by other human beings,their country of origin doesn’t matter,after all they are human beings who are only playing the system.The system in the mean time plays you,(me) then wants us to work the same as the other human beings for less pay because there is now a bigger pool of human beings to choose from. Business likes that and so does the system its a circle that cant be broken,unless we as human beings just say no.No need for violence,just down tools and talk.But be careful because the system and business is very clever because it plays one human being off against the other,we end up labeling each other,foreigners,southerners,northerners,ect ect.So the one thing that the system and business cant defeat is if all the human beings unite and don’t turn against each other.
Reminder of what the system is,its the courts all over the world,its the media,its the lawyers,police,army,its councils.So the system is huge almost frightening but its rather tiny when it comes to all us human beings,infact if we all stick together the system and business almost disappear. I think that’s how we sort out a lot of the problems facing not just drivers but all human beings.
The working class have already tried the idea of workers of the world unite.Which ended up with -------------------- The People’s Republic of China and the former Soviet Union. 
Dyslexics of the World Untie!
I am afraid the workers were defeated in the late 70’s when the free market economy model was adopted as used in America. Laws curtailed the unions and the message went out that if you strike we will sack you and bring in the army if need be as in 1977 when the firemen went on strike. Of course Margaret Thatcher took this to a whole new level by taking on the press, miners, ship yards, farmers and everyone else who wanted to cling on to the “workers have rights” mantra and she defeated the lot. Of course New Labour and Tony Blair who were seen as the saviours of the working class went one better than Thatcher. Why rely on the army or let industry and the fat cats suffer while disputes linger when you can simply import mass cheap labour and at the same time harvest the new labours forces votes? So today any notion of militancy or standing up for old fashioned rights will be met with there is the door.
The saying “The graveyards are full of indispensable people” is as true today as ever. There will always be someone to do your job and probably at a cheaper price.
Ironically the saying is attributed to Charles de Gaulle, who was the one that refused to let us join the then Common Market in 1963. Perhaps for once we should have listened to a Frenchman.
Fincham:
The saying “The graveyards are full of indispensable people” is as true today as ever. There will always be someone to do your job and probably at a cheaper price.Ironically the saying is attributed to Charles de Gaulle, who was the one that refused to let us join the then Common Market in 1963. Perhaps for once we should have listened to a Frenchman.
Labourers (like us) are indispensable people.
Whereas, high paid professionals, like surgeon’s, are not. They are paid a lot of money for a reason.
I reckon whats needed is the qualified hgv drivers with adr, cpc,keep them updated and eventually there will be a real driver shortage,lets face it as one of the other OPs said it costs too much nowadays to get these items and a lot of the younger generation do not want to come into this profession and who can blame them.
V40LLY:
BillyHunt:
Like every other MUG who drives an HGV.Correct, Its tough at the top, what’s it like you’re end? Don’t you drive an hgv then? Some can find it quite demanding.
I’m glad you agree with me. You’re not at the top, don’t go thinking you are. You are in the gutter.
And yes, I do drive.
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So you’re doing a job that you think makes your a mug, how odd. Why don’t you do something else?
But I am at the top, driving class 1, on days, no weekends or nights out, average 43 hrs a week, that’s at work btw not driving, take home £500. I don’t want to work in the office or “progress” to TM so I would say, yes I’m at the top of my particular tree. I will leave the gutter to the bell ends that get jobs that make them feel like they’re mugs.
I gave up driving HGV full time in 1978, probably the best decision I have ever made, career wise.
alder:
I am afraid the workers were defeated in the late 70’s when the free market economy model was adopted as used in America. Laws curtailed the unions and the message went out that if you strike we will sack you and bring in the army if need be as in 1977 when the firemen went on strike. Of course Margaret Thatcher took this to a whole new level by taking on the press, miners, ship yards, farmers and everyone else who wanted to cling on to the “workers have rights” mantra and she defeated the lot. Of course New Labour and Tony Blair who were seen as the saviours of the working class went one better than Thatcher. Why rely on the army or let industry and the fat cats suffer while disputes linger when you can simply import mass cheap labour and at the same time harvest the new labours forces votes? So today any notion of militancy or standing up for old fashioned rights will be met with there is the door.
^ This.
But there is another way in the form of protectionist nationalism like Le Pen and the FN propose.As opposed to the Reaganite/Thatcherite bankster scam that runs the place at present.The run up to the French presidential elections will be crucial in that regard and hopefully a turning point in wether the bankers succeed or fail in their plans.
BillyHunt:
V40LLY:
BillyHunt:
Like every other MUG who drives an HGV.Correct, Its tough at the top, what’s it like you’re end? Don’t you drive an hgv then? Some can find it quite demanding.
I’m glad you agree with me. You’re not at the top, don’t go thinking you are. You are in the gutter.
And yes, I do drive.
So you’re doing a job that you think makes your a mug, how odd. Why don’t you do something else?
But I am at the top, driving class 1, on days, no weekends or nights out, average 43 hrs a week, that’s at work btw not driving, take home £500. I don’t want to work in the office or “progress” to TM so I would say, yes I’m at the top of my particular tree. I will leave the gutter to the bell ends that get jobs that make them feel like they’re mugs.
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You’re in the gutter.
Fincham:
I gave up driving HGV full time in 1978, probably the best decision I have ever made, career wise.
Some like it, some don’t, I’ve no problem with that. For me it’s always been an easy way to make money, get out & about seeing different places & meeting different people, the vast majority of which are just fine. That said I’ve not always enjoyed where I’ve worked so I moved on, you don’t know until you get there as I prefer to find out myself, rather than rely on heresay. I cannot understand anyone staying in a job they don’t like, or working at a place they don’t like, for a boss they don’t like, on money they don’t like. It gets you all bitter & twisted, as evidenced by some on here, the glass half empty crew.
I don’t know about a driver shortage, I do know I’ve never struggled to find driving work in the “allegedly” desolate North East, earning enough to live a comfortable life, throughout the recession so it’s difficult to judge. I have seen some of the bigger companies up here advertising for drivers, ones I’ve never seen do it before so there might be something in it.
BillyHunt:
Fincham:
I gave up driving HGV full time in 1978, probably the best decision I have ever made, career wise.Some like it, some don’t, I’ve no problem with that. For me it’s always been an easy way to make money, get out & about seeing different places & meeting different people, the vast majority of which are just fine. That said I’ve not always enjoyed where I’ve worked so I moved on, you don’t know until you get there as I prefer to find out myself, rather than rely on heresay. I cannot understand anyone staying in a job they don’t like, or working at a place they don’t like, for a boss they don’t like, on money they don’t like. It gets you all bitter & twisted, as evidenced by some on here, the glass half empty crew.
I don’t know about a driver shortage, I do know I’ve never struggled to find driving work in the “allegedly” desolate North East, earning enough to live a comfortable life, throughout the recession so it’s difficult to judge. I have seen some of the bigger companies up here advertising for drivers, ones I’ve never seen do it before so there might be something in it.
I didn’t give it up because I didn’t like it, I changed because I could earn more money doing something else. I passed my class 1 in 1979 and I have done two spells of five years casual driving 1996-2001 and 2008-2013, and much as I enjoy driving HGV’s there is still no money in it.
When I retired in 2005 aged 55 I was grossing just under £28000 for a 39 hour week 8-5 Mon-Fri with no nights or weekends.
Fincham:
I didn’t give it up because I didn’t like it, I changed because I could earn more money doing something else. I passed my class 1 in 1979 and I have done two spells of five years casual driving 1996-2001 and 2008-2013, and much as I enjoy driving HGV’s there is still no money in it.
Ironically that’s what everyone told me from the time when I said I wanted to drive trucks before leaving school and when I was lucky enough to have ditched the factory job,which I got lumbered with instead,for the opportunity of finally doing what I wanted to do.
As for ‘the money’ in general I don’t think that finishing my training and staying in engineering instead would have made me significantly any richer.While possibly even lessening my job opportunies.While it certainly would have made every hour spent at work seem like double every hour spent driving trucks for a living.
At the time I made the change I was working for BRS driving a 7.5tonne Bedford TK delivering chocolate for Cadburys in the City of London on eight hours a days, with no overtime.
Where I was living there were virtually no other transport companies as the docks had closed and the firms went with them. It would have involved commuting miles and as I didn’t have a car at the time it wasn’t practical to do it. If I could have found a suitable job that I liked I would have carried on driving but it was not to be.
I have enjoyed doing the casual work but unfortunately employers take liberties and abuse any goodwill that there might be.
war1974:
no mention of the pay rates though ^
i tip with a lot of montys drivers at telford all be it there tanker men none of them hav a bad word to say abought the firm all on hours never seem to pushed 
but then again im a lomas driver 
and when montys men block my fill pipe ido tend to rush em on a bit 
it takes you HOW F… LONG TO BLOW ALL GOOD LADS you can hav a laff we em
I think that geographically living in the South East,especially in the more expensive to base a transport operation,home counties areas,was always one of the worst case scenarios regards opportunities in the job.Especially when that was put with the economic and jobs environment of the early 1980’s.
In my case trying to deal with all that by walking away back to working inside was never an option though.While I’ve always been more bitter about the bs experience and arbitrary face fits pecking order which seemed to characterise the availabilty of what opportunities there were in the job.Rather than the money which is what it is especially considering the road fuel taxation issue which cripples the industry economically v others.
boredwivdrivin:
There is no driver shortage . just jobs that are short on wages and no one wants to doThere may be a shortage of GOOD drivers , and judging by the pillocks on this forum thats certainly true
Also ,keep bosses on their toes by leaving jobs regularly
The amount of times that there us no money for a wage rise . i stick my notice in and suddenly wage rise is offered .Just dont tell the other drivers , or they will all want it
i started this driving bull 8 month ag and i asked for a pay rise my boss said F£$% off you Greedy ■■■■
1rustyspring:
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Business likes that and so does the system its a circle that cant be broken,unless we as human beings just say no.No need for violence,just down tools and talk.But be careful because the system and business is very clever because it plays one human being off against the other,we end up labeling each other,foreigners,southerners,northerners,ect ect
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No that is not what Business likes that is what the government like you to think
Business likes more Business and more Business for its self; but when Business has an influx of competition i.e new people starting up in Business because the population has exploded. then Business is not happy coz there is the same Business spread out over more Businesses.
Unless it’s the corrupt MOB that monopolize the market who hide behind the government for the right back handers of course; then that is why your argument holds water since they have the monopoly, more staff to choose from for NMW is great for them
Since when has the North invaded the south and visor versor?
I see nothing but division in all of the reply’s,whats that gonna get you.