driver shortage

UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
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Dolph:
The group’s research found that just 2% of all HGV drivers are under the age of 25, with 60% over 45.

theloadstar.co.uk/party-parliame … ge-crisis/

bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-30496851

The Government research and statistic clearly shows a shortage is coming in the next 5-10 years

What a surprise.In an industry which has historically applied discriminatory recruitment policies in favour of over 25, ‘experienced’ candidates v under 25 less experienced ones.

Together with an arbitrarily applied pecking order which often reserves the better more attractive jobs on the above basis.While conning many new inexperienced young recruits with the bs of start at the bottom on zb work based on the false promise that it will guarantee career progression later.

Unless,that is,their face fits or they get lucky.

As or the government if it is serious about attracting people into the industry then it needs to drop it’s pro rail anti road bs transport policy. :unamused:

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war1974:
just seen this advertised :

We are looking to recruit a Class 1 HGV driver for a long established haulage company near Guildford. You will drive a new Volvo with an XL Cab delivering anywhere in the UK. You will be trained to drive a Manitou fork lift. The job is 06.30hrs start Monday to Friday with occasional Saturday overtime possibilities Weekly pay approx £437.50 (Based on a guaranteed minimum of 45hrs a week, the first 40hrs at £8ph then overtime at £15ph, plus an attendance bonus of £32.50 per week and a £10 a week meal allowance). There is also an additional bonus of £11 per day for driving the Manitou. This is a temp-to-perm position

now take away the XL Volvo cab which is obviously worth a good £75-£150 a week. and is agency where your supposed to be paid a bit more :open_mouth:

I’m guessing that the omission of all the usual over 25 and ‘experience’ bs conditions means that it is a multi drop type job that ‘experienced’ drivers don’t want.Based on the idea that it isn’t all about the hourly rate but what you have to do for the money that counts.

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Here’s one for those who like weekend work and all for £8.60 an hour.

Cat. C+E Tramper Driver
Salary/Rate
£8.60/hour
Location
Cross Hands Industrial Estate
Posted
11/08/2015 (12:54)
Agency
Staffline Group plc
Apply Now
Description
Staffline are currently recruiting Cat. C+E Tramping Drivers on behalf of our client, a vastly expanding National chilled distribution specialist.

Our client requires a driver to work Thursday to Sunday completing multiple deliveries and collections across England and Wales. This is an ongoing role with the potential of becoming a full time job for the right candidate.

Applicants must have a Full UK Licence, Digital Tacho and Full CPC. Applicants with more than six penalty points will not be considered for this role.

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Why British HGV drivers are payed so little compare to the standard of living? It can’t be only the EE migrants fault.
In US and Canada HGV drivers are payed well, heck even in Bulgaria they are payed well - 1500 euros/month, which is 6 time more then the average monthly salary, but to gain them you have to drive minimum 20+ days in whole of EU. I’ve read the same in Germany, where drivers make several times more then the average employee.
Why in UK drivers are payed as much as Aldi shelf stockers, there is something fundamentally wrong with UK trucking industry.

Just my opinion.

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Fincham:
Here’s one for those who like weekend work and all for £8.60 an hour.

Cat. C+E Tramper Driver
Salary/Rate
£8.60/hour
Location
Cross Hands Industrial Estate
Posted
11/08/2015 (12:54)
Agency
Staffline Group plc
Apply Now
Description
Staffline are currently recruiting Cat. C+E Tramping Drivers on behalf of our client, a vastly expanding National chilled distribution specialist.

Our client requires a driver to work Thursday to Sunday completing multiple deliveries and collections across England and Wales. This is an ongoing role with the potential of becoming a full time job for the right candidate.

Applicants must have a Full UK Licence, Digital Tacho and Full CPC. Applicants with more than six penalty points will not be considered for this role.

I rest my case lol.

That’s another one of thousands of examples that you could use to prove that there isn’t a shortage. Yet, guys on here (who have gone conveniently quiet in this thread, who claim the opposite), turn a blind eye to what we are saying, because they can’t think of anything to add, that disproves what we are trying to point out!

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Dolph:
Why British HGV drivers are payed so little compare to the standard of living? It can’t be only the EE migrants fault.
In US and Canada HGV drivers are payed well, heck even in Bulgaria they are payed well - 1500 euros/month, which is 6 time more then the average monthly salary, but to gain them you have to drive minimum 20+ days in whole of EU.

Just my opinion.

In which case assuming the 6 times the average wage would allow a 20 days on 10 off rota combined with full load distance international haulage v zb uk multi drop distribution/building deliveries etc type work the choice is a no brainer.

So a potential future driver shortage.Based on the quality of the work on offer not just the wage and the combination of our historic discriminatory recruitment environment which counts against young drivers with little or no experience which is now biting back and an environment in which East Euro drivers decide to stay at home.Would probably explain what the employers are getting worried about. :bulb:

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Carryfast:

Dolph:
Why British HGV drivers are payed so little compare to the standard of living? It can’t be only the EE migrants fault.
In US and Canada HGV drivers are payed well, heck even in Bulgaria they are payed well - 1500 euros/month, which is 6 time more then the average monthly salary, but to gain them you have to drive minimum 20+ days in whole of EU.

Just my opinion.

In which case assuming the 6 times the average wage would allow a 20 days on 10 off rota combined with full load distance international haulage v zb uk multi drop distribution/building deliveries etc type work the choice is a no brainer.

So a potential future driver shortage.Based on the quality of the work on offer not just the wage and the combination of our historic discriminatory recruitment environment which counts against young drivers with little or no experience which is now biting back and an environment in which East Euro drivers decide to stay at home.Would probably explain what the employers are getting worried about. :bulb:

My employer doesn’t seem to be worried. This is all in your head. You’re dreaming!

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V40LLY:
We’d be getting paid £50 p/h if there was a shortage. Not shop assistant’s rate’s.

Any type of job that command’s not much more than the minimum wage, can not be referred to as being in demand. It’s quite the opposite.

NHS agency staff are apparently getting that… Yet hospitals are laying staff off. Once could argue from the opposite end that “Is there a medical staff shortage - or not?”
So… all the “extra ringfenced money” being thrown at the NHS by governments left, right, and centre these past few years - all gets donked away on things like:

(1) Excessive agency payments
(2) Settlements for being sued
(3) Management packages
(4) Fi fo fum fees of lawyers and other suits that have their arms up the NHS’s arse all the time

The NHS doesn’t need so much “more money” all the time - it just needs the corrupt and inefficient elements within it to be cut out like the cancer they are. :angry:

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Carryfast:

Dolph:
Why British HGV drivers are payed so little compare to the standard of living? It can’t be only the EE migrants fault.
In US and Canada HGV drivers are payed well, heck even in Bulgaria they are payed well - 1500 euros/month, which is 6 time more then the average monthly salary, but to gain them you have to drive minimum 20+ days in whole of EU.

Just my opinion.

In which case assuming the 6 times the average wage would allow a 20 days on 10 off rota combined with full load distance international haulage v zb uk multi drop distribution/building deliveries etc type work the choice is a no brainer.

So a potential future driver shortage.Based on the quality of the work on offer not just the wage and the combination of our historic discriminatory recruitment environment which counts against young drivers with little or no experience which is now biting back and an environment in which East Euro drivers decide to stay at home.Would probably explain what the employers are getting worried about. :bulb:

May be, I don’t know why UK employers are worried. I’ve read the jobs in BG, most have the same requirements as in the UK. Spoke with drivers here, many work in Germany, France, Belgium, Netherlands etc. Most require actually 18-20 days of work, 10 days off. Team driving is for 2 months driving 2 weeks off with hubs in EU where drivers get rooms/shower etc. I’m talking about good, decent companies that follow EU regulation and pay on time.
For example I talk to a young cab driver last week who’s father drives class 1 in Northern Italy, only for 3-4 months, only loads with tomatoes. It depends of the year(harvest) the guy is saving between 6000 and 12000 euro’s. Then he comes back in Bulgaria and drives his cab as he don’t want to sit and do nothing, they have 4 cabs father and son. The money he saved are enough for him to live whole year. He said there is no point of going to UK or at least for him and his father.
I’ve herd the same story from 2 other drivers who work and live in Italy, they make decent living, like the climate and with small kids in school.
It depends, but the UK HGV salaries are not on par with EU once, only the strong pound sterling might be a magnet for young EU drivers.

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Fincham:
Here’s one for those who like weekend work and all for £8.60 an hour.

Cat. C+E Tramper Driver
Salary/Rate
£8.60/hour
Location
Cross Hands Industrial Estate
Posted
11/08/2015 (12:54)
Agency
Staffline Group plc
Apply Now
Description
Staffline are currently recruiting Cat. C+E Tramping Drivers on behalf of our client, a vastly expanding National chilled distribution specialist.

Our client requires a driver to work Thursday to Sunday completing multiple deliveries and collections across England and Wales. This is an ongoing role with the potential of becoming a full time job for the right candidate.

Applicants must have a Full UK Licence, Digital Tacho and Full CPC. Applicants with more than six penalty points will not be considered for this role.

Staffline have this advert alongside the M11 at the moment. Without mentioning the pay (we can see why now) it reckons that the “ongoing work” is more than going to make up for the fact it’s such a pantsy hourly rate.

There’s another billboard near the A12… “Top Rates of Pay” it says. Well WHAT exactly you buggers!? - Tell us it’s a MINIMUM rate of £15ph PAYE and we might get excited about it FFS!. :imp: :angry:
Using fancy wording - a “Top Rate of Pay” could be “£7.80ph instead of our rival agency’s £7.75ph” for all I know. :frowning:

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Dolph:

Carryfast:

Dolph:
Why British HGV drivers are payed so little compare to the standard of living? It can’t be only the EE migrants fault.
In US and Canada HGV drivers are payed well, heck even in Bulgaria they are payed well - 1500 euros/month, which is 6 time more then the average monthly salary, but to gain them you have to drive minimum 20+ days in whole of EU.

Just my opinion.

In which case assuming the 6 times the average wage would allow a 20 days on 10 off rota combined with full load distance international haulage v zb uk multi drop distribution/building deliveries etc type work the choice is a no brainer.

So a potential future driver shortage.Based on the quality of the work on offer not just the wage and the combination of our historic discriminatory recruitment environment which counts against young drivers with little or no experience which is now biting back and an environment in which East Euro drivers decide to stay at home.Would probably explain what the employers are getting worried about. :bulb:

May be, I don’t know why UK employers are worried. I’ve read the jobs in BG, most have the same requirements as in the UK. Spoke with drivers here, many work in Germany, France, Belgium, Netherlands etc. Most require actually 18-20 days of work, 10 days off. Team driving is for 2 months driving 2 weeks off with hubs in EU where drivers get rooms/shower etc. I’m talking about good, decent companies that follow EU regulation and pay on time.
For example I talk to a young cab driver last week who’s father drives class 1 in Northern Italy, only for 3-4 months, only loads with tomatoes. It depends of the year(harvest) the guy is saving between 6000 and 12000 euro’s. Then he comes back in Bulgaria and drives his cab as he don’t want to sit and do nothing, they have 4 cabs father and son. The money he saved are enough for him to live whole year. He said there is no point of going to UK or at least for him and his father.
I’ve herd the same story from 2 other drivers who work and live in Italy, they make decent living, like the climate and with small kids in school.
It depends, but the UK HGV salaries are not on par with EU once, only the strong pound sterling might be a magnet for young EU drivers.

I was going by your statement concerning BG ( East Euro in general ) work being mostly about 20 days out EU distance work ?.Which seems to fit in with what we see in the real world throughout Europe.Having decimated the West European international running fleet.

On that basis and as it stands I’d guess that UK employers are caught in the very real potential catch 22 situation of their historic attitudes towards not employing young inexperienced drivers catching up with them.While even any change in that regard,still puts UK drivers looking for something better than typical local/distribution/building type zb work at a disadvantage.Compared to their East Euro counterparts,who also seem to enjoy the advantage of more opportunities for the ‘right’ work together with an environment which historically doesn’t apply any bs ‘experience’ pecking order.

In which case it is only a matter of time before the East Euros realise that it isn’t the headline wage figure which matters.It is all about the income v cost of living equation v the type/quality of the work on offer to earn it.On that note the advantages of staying at home v working here seem like a no brainer.While the UK employers realise that they don’t have anything better to offer the indigenous workforce regardless.

On that note I’ll believe there is a driver shortage,as opposed to a road transport industry that has been wrecked by it’s own and the government’s stupidity,when I see an advert stating full load distance/international work 20 days on 10 days off.New inexperienced drivers welcome.At double or even ‘the’ average UK annual wage let alone 6 times it. :bulb:

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There doesn’t seem to be much difference in rates of pay, between the North and South for HGV driver’s, going by what we are reading in this thread, so far.

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V40LLY:
We’d be getting paid £50 p/h if there was a shortage. Not shop assistant’s rate’s.

Any type of job that command’s not much more than the minimum wage, can not be referred to as being in demand. It’s quite the opposite.

Maybe they are paying you what you’re worth, not what the jobs worth.

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BillyHunt:

V40LLY:
We’d be getting paid £50 p/h if there was a shortage. Not shop assistant’s rate’s.

Any type of job that command’s not much more than the minimum wage, can not be referred to as being in demand. It’s quite the opposite.

Maybe they are paying you what you’re worth, not what the jobs worth.

Like every other MUG who drives an HGV.

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I thought that after the CPC debacle the ‘Word’ was ,well on here it was this time last year, that we would all be having a substantial pay rise? In fact I remember some people , who are still here, saying how the agencies had phoned them up & upped the rates due to the impending shortage…where did it all go wrong? On another note my basic hourly rate in 1987 @ B.O.C.( the maggie years of if you don’t want it there’s plenty who will) was £7.75P PH, a shift allowance, time & a half after 8 hrs, double time Sundays, treble time & a day in Leiu for B/Hols, which incidently you could take on a night shift week & get the extra night allowance when on days, so I ask again where did it all go wrong. The Rot started in our area with Tescos using XElogistics(?) who got a government subside when they opened a company in South Wales…all this was before our EU cousins visited us but it sounds as though the Greens/Stobarts of this country are carrying it on . :unamused:

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Carryfast:

Dolph:

Carryfast:

Dolph:
Why British HGV drivers are payed so little compare to the standard of living? It can’t be only the EE migrants fault.
In US and Canada HGV drivers are payed well, heck even in Bulgaria they are payed well - 1500 euros/month, which is 6 time more then the average monthly salary, but to gain them you have to drive minimum 20+ days in whole of EU.

Just my opinion.

In which case assuming the 6 times the average wage would allow a 20 days on 10 off rota combined with full load distance international haulage v zb uk multi drop distribution/building deliveries etc type work the choice is a no brainer.

So a potential future driver shortage.Based on the quality of the work on offer not just the wage and the combination of our historic discriminatory recruitment environment which counts against young drivers with little or no experience which is now biting back and an environment in which East Euro drivers decide to stay at home.Would probably explain what the employers are getting worried about. :bulb:

May be, I don’t know why UK employers are worried. I’ve read the jobs in BG, most have the same requirements as in the UK. Spoke with drivers here, many work in Germany, France, Belgium, Netherlands etc. Most require actually 18-20 days of work, 10 days off. Team driving is for 2 months driving 2 weeks off with hubs in EU where drivers get rooms/shower etc. I’m talking about good, decent companies that follow EU regulation and pay on time.
For example I talk to a young cab driver last week who’s father drives class 1 in Northern Italy, only for 3-4 months, only loads with tomatoes. It depends of the year(harvest) the guy is saving between 6000 and 12000 euro’s. Then he comes back in Bulgaria and drives his cab as he don’t want to sit and do nothing, they have 4 cabs father and son. The money he saved are enough for him to live whole year. He said there is no point of going to UK or at least for him and his father.
I’ve herd the same story from 2 other drivers who work and live in Italy, they make decent living, like the climate and with small kids in school.
It depends, but the UK HGV salaries are not on par with EU once, only the strong pound sterling might be a magnet for young EU drivers.

I was going by your statement concerning BG ( East Euro in general ) work being mostly about 20 days out EU distance work ?.Which seems to fit in with what we see in the real world throughout Europe.Having decimated the West European international running fleet.

On that basis and as it stands I’d guess that UK employers are caught in the very real potential catch 22 situation of their historic attitudes towards not employing young inexperienced drivers catching up with them.While even any change in that regard,still puts UK drivers looking for something better than typical local/distribution/building type zb work at a disadvantage.Compared to their East Euro counterparts,who also seem to enjoy the advantage of more opportunities for the ‘right’ work together with an environment which historically doesn’t apply any bs ‘experience’ pecking order.

**In which case it is only a matter of time before the East Euros realise that it isn’t the headline wage figure which matters.**It is all about the income v cost of living equation v the type/quality of the work on offer to earn it.On that note the advantages of staying at home v working here seem like a no brainer.While the UK employers realise that they don’t have anything better to offer the indigenous workforce regardless.

On that note I’ll believe there is a driver shortage,as opposed to a road transport industry that has been wrecked by it’s own and the government’s stupidity,when I see an advert stating full load distance/international work 20 days on 10 days off.New inexperienced drivers welcome.At double or even ‘the’ average UK annual wage let alone 6 times it. :bulb:

For the sake of the argument, I just check the fist job listings in BG biggest job websites and you are correct, people here offer more Europe jobs then British. I’m talking about Dutch or German companies. There is no difference if I’m driving all over western EU or UK, I’m still not going to be at home, so what is the point of moving to UK instead of Germany or Italy for example, I’m talking in general. For me is different, because I speak English and had lived in English speaking country for years.

Check this for instance: Jan De Rijk logistic Bulgaria - drivers wanted for western EU, C+E, dcpc, digital tacho, psychological certificate and ADR required, min 1 year exp. starting pay 1400euro net with all benefits. After 6 months 1500euro minimum pay, after 2 years 1700euro minimum pay, with all three different pays the maximum is open, so after 1 year you could make 2000+
jobs.bg/f2872959

Another Dutch company, same requirements, pay 1550-2000euro net pay.
jobs.bg/f2859854

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mas430:
I thought that after the CPC debacle the ‘Word’ was ,well on here it was this time last year, that we would all be having a substantial pay rise? In fact I remember some people , who are still here, saying how the agencies had phoned them up & upped the rates due to the impending shortage…where did it all go wrong? On another note my basic hourly rate in 1987 @ B.O.C.( the maggie years of if you don’t want it there’s plenty who will) was £7.75P PH, a shift allowance, time & a half after 8 hrs, double time Sundays, treble time & a day in Leiu for B/Hols, which incidently you could take on a night shift week & get the extra night allowance when on days, so I ask again where did it all go wrong. The Rot started in our area with Tescos using XElogistics(?) who got a government subside when they opened a company in South Wales…all this was before our EU cousins visited us but it sounds as though the Greens/Stobarts of this country are carrying it on . :unamused:

All those fools must have thought that the £400, needed by the HGV driver, to pay for the Driver CPC Course was a fortune, that nobody could possibly afford [emoji3][emoji3][emoji3].

Or

They thought that you had to be extremely clever to be able sit in a classroom and listen to someone talk about a load of nonsense and then not even have to do a written exam at the end. It’s not A Level Physics! Lol

Anyone and anything could get a Driver CPC card, so how could they possibly have thought it would have made them worth anymore!

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V40LLY:

BillyHunt:

V40LLY:
We’d be getting paid £50 p/h if there was a shortage. Not shop assistant’s rate’s.

Any type of job that command’s not much more than the minimum wage, can not be referred to as being in demand. It’s quite the opposite.

Maybe they are paying you what you’re worth, not what the jobs worth.

Like every other MUG who drives an HGV.

Correct, Its tough at the top, what’s it like you’re end? Don’t you drive an hgv then? Some can find it quite demanding.

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BillyHunt:

V40LLY:

BillyHunt:

V40LLY:
We’d be getting paid £50 p/h if there was a shortage. Not shop assistant’s rate’s.

Any type of job that command’s not much more than the minimum wage, can not be referred to as being in demand. It’s quite the opposite.

Maybe they are paying you what you’re worth, not what the jobs worth.

Like every other MUG who drives an HGV.

Correct, Its tough at the top, what’s it like you’re end? Don’t you drive an hgv then? Some can find it quite demanding.

I’m glad you agree with me. You’re not at the top, don’t go thinking you are. You are in the gutter.

And yes, I do drive.

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Dolph:
The group’s research found that just 2% of all HGV drivers are under the age of 25, with 60% over 45.

And did your reserch include foreners; No! I bet it did’int, coz if it did the goverment would have to cover it all up as all the Russian N.N. coming over hear are young men
And there is no shortage of them, everytime this country is invaded by the back door we see a new batch of Rusian N.Ns; last time it was Poland and this time it is Romaina.
Everytime Breen internatinal need a new driver they just call up plastic paddy (the half witted irish man with whom his mother was Romainian) and he get onto Romaina and brings 1 or 2 of them over they pay for flights and he picks them up in the car from the airport
Then when they have smashed a few thing up with no training (licnece) and experence they gain experance and move up the chain onto the agency RDC and Mr. Breen replaces them as the circle continues.
Forceing the white man onto the dole.
They dont need me then thats fine, I shall just hang up me keys and say tar tar