Driver security/self defence

So long as theyre outside make a phone call. The chances are they have at least a knife to ■■■■■ curtains. Make that plain to the operator. Keep quiet, dont advertise the fact you know theyre there. Dont frighten the scrotes away before the police arrive. If they start bashing in windows, then yes make a noise.
If theyre already inside the cab when you awake, then realistically they are probably far nastier than any of us, and any resistance will be pretty pointless. But, number one, dont park in isolated places, safety in numbers etc.

Franglais:
But, number one, don`t park in isolated places, safety in numbers etc.

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The Aires on a sunday they’ll be numbers :wink:
Re the load, if they fancy some nice glossy pink stones, theyre welcome to them…bring a fork lift though…

If they want the load, help yourself. All our trucks have 1kg metal fire extinguishers in the cab, which could be useful as a last resort if they try to enter the cab.

Another wee thought: Any one in this line of activity is not a Peter Niven type Pink Panther gentleman burglar. If he is coming through the door it isnt because he is a fair minded person who plays Marquis of Queensbury rules of "one on one". If you intend taking him down with your weapon of choice consider how youll do against the two or three others backing him up?
In all the stories youll hear about how theyre all cowards who run away at the first sign of resistance, but havent we seen the yobs who get a couple of bevvies inside themselves, get each other wound up, and act as a mob? Individually they wouldnt say “boo!” to a goose, but, as part of a gang?
Even rather calm types become idiots when they are afraid of being thought a ■■■■■ by their mates. They may well be silly little cowards alone, but in a pack of ■■■■■■■■■ kids there is always one or more who will do something they`d never do if they stopped to think.

if im abroad then the biggest chopper/kitchen knife jammed against the window and a handy flick stick does me. only had need to use it a cpl of times as a vermin deterrent. in the uk,i just keep the stick tucked away handy.following the herd instinct and parking in the crowd does better unless im more than 6 hours away from calais,then il be tempted for somewhere secluded.

If they want the load I’ll ask them where they want it for a small fee. Everyone wins then. (Except the boss)

Most ner-do-wells, don’t want to be seen or heard, if you are having you diesel or load robbed, Make as much noise as possible, become highly noticeable, lights on etc, You are safer locked in the cab, with all that noise and illumination, the whole lorry park-industrial estate will be awake, wondering what the freck is going on, very rarely now are you parked on your own.

If you are on own, start up drive away. Remove yourself from the situation.

kcrussell25:
They can have what they want from the trailer, thats insured. I keep the doors locked and so anyone coming through those means me harm. I will use whatever is to hand to defend myself. I keep a 4d maglite torch by my bunk for just this purpose. Why was it there? To do checks and thought needed to exit the vehicle to check whats happening. A perfectly reasonable “tool” to have on me, that I just happen to defend myself with. If you start going out with hammers/baseball bats your looking at assault

I was told exactly the same thing by a police officer friend, a length of 4X4 could be deemed an offensive weapon, having one of them big long heavy torches you could have a quiet legitimate reason to have it and it can do a lot of damage.

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ItsJoe:

robroy:

ItsJoe:
Do none of you have kitchen knives in your cab for making food? I’d rather be using a kitchen knife which I have a valid reason to have than a baseball bat which could get me in trouble…

I reckon there would be more chance of ending up on a murder or manslaughter rap, by using a knife rather than a bat mate tbh.

You hit somebody with a baseball bat and they die then you’re looking at manslaughter charges straight away as you can’t carry something purely for defensive purposes. With a knife, you have a valid reason to have it in your cab. With a baseball bat you don’t.

Ok maybe so, but I know my own limitatations.
Killing someone would not be my intention obviously, but I really don’t think I’d be capable of burying a blade into someone,.
As for a bat, and if I was genuinely under threat, not a problem.

you could always try and passively defending yourself like this dude?

youtube.com/watch?v=7dEKQL0I4LU

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Something else , illegal in the UK but wont have lasting effects, the same as the pepper spray/ CS gas. Banned and with big fines but…bashing someone with a maglite/bat or pushing a kitchen knife into someone will have far more serious consequences…

Just for the record a baseball bat isn’t as good a weapon as some people think. It looks intimidating but you basically have a one shot weapon. Get it wrong and you are more likely to have it used on you. Against multiple scroats you got to hope they take flight.

youtu.be/gWXj1qNX84I

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Keep a bottle o’ ■■■■ handy…even better if it’s been fermenting for a few days. :laughing:

Just read through this thread and in my opinion, some of you are paying too much attention to ‘the law’… If someone is trying to attack you (in your cab or wherever), you have the right to defend yourself. If they end up dead, so be it ! If they’re trying to get at you or trying to attack you or trying to steal your stuff/load, then they’re clearly up to no good… Can’t be considering what the ‘law’ says in such circumstances or it could be you who’s dead !
I would have thought that ‘castle doctrine’ would apply in these cases/situations… Remember, if someone’s trying to do you harm, the police are only half an hour away ! …That’s if they don’t just give you a ‘crime number’… :unamused:

I’ve read a lot about random acid attacks in London lately. A couple sat in a car at a set of light, paramedics at a set of lights… all seemingly random, unprovoked attacks. The couple in the car suffered life changing facial disfigurements.

So when I travel through London, I always lock my door, and have my window about half way up at least. People do throw stuff too. An egg was thrown at my open window on the M32 a few years ago by a group of boy racers, who sped off. It hit the pillar and sprayed my face with raw egg. In London, I’m legitimately worried about random acid being thrown. sad times we live in these days.

eagerbeaver:
The law allows you to use reasonable force to defend yourself. Middle of the night and someone is trying your handle, what do you do? The smart move is simply to drop your window an inch and find out what the score is. If you are intimidated or have genuine concerns for your safety, put all your lights on and sound your horn.

What you are trying to achieve is for any aggressor/s to simply scarper. Bit different if you are at lights with your drivers door unlocked. The surprise/shock of your door being opened and a weapon being presented to you at close quarters simply doesn’t give you sufficient time and/or space to plan a retaliation. In this instance you need to scamper over to the n/s door and simply exit.

Multiple aggressors/overwhelming numbers is simply academic.

One on one conflict is where the fight/flight scenario needs to be followed. Are you trained in any self defence or unarmed combat? If the answer is " no " then I would advise a conciliatory or even potentially submissive approach.
If you have some training behind you and/or you have the confidence to do so, decisive action MUST be taken. If your instinct is that an attack is imminent, you must act fast and commit to a rapid plan of action. A leg sweep is often the quickest way to gain control of the situation, once your attacker is down you have two choices; 1. Restrain or 2. Disable.

This is where you have to be careful within the law. Is it ’ reasonable ’ to kick an aggressor whilst down in order to prevent the person from recommencing an attack? My own view is that if a weapon such as a blade is involved, then disabling the attacker is a MUST.
If it is a simple handbags jobbie over a fuel pump break :laughing: , the law would come down on you like a ton of bricks if you for example, head butted someone :neutral_face:

If you land a blow and your opponent falls and busts his skull on a kerb, you could be looking at a murder or manslaughter case :open_mouth:

In most cases it is simply best to not get involved, but if you decide to do so (or have no choice), it MUST be decisive and measured.

Summed it up really well, the use of force to protect oneself has to be deemed necessary, you can use as much force as legally allowed. But if the danger subsides and you continue then it’s not reasonable. There are plenty of items that can be lawfully kept down the side of a drivers seat… if at a set of lights and a person opens the door use the boot to kick him in his face, just hopefully knock him down in 1hit that’s reasonable jumping out and hitting him with a baseball is not … if a spray is used your open to assault charges … unless you are AndrewG , and think you are Bruce Willis.

Franglais:
Mobile phone in my hand. But I wouldnt use it. I wouldnt want anyone to think I`m some sort of a grass.

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I have an ice pick under my pillow, if the police quiz me over it, I am a fridge man.

UKtramp:
I have an ice pick under my pillow, if the police quiz me over it, I am a fridge man.

Are you Ramón Mercader?

I always carried the wheel brace in the cab, 3ft long and very heavy at one end, sharp at the other!