Driver needed for ITV Programme

This is the bit I like

they would also need to be willing to take part in a couple of challenges.

Not my thing but i’ve got a mate who would would willingly oblige. Unfortunately he won’t be out till next month but if you can wait it’d make great tv. :laughing:

Hey I’ve got first dibs, Guvner!

Cor blimey, stone the crows. :wink:

:laughing: Sounds like a nice little earner guv, where’s me daisy roots :question: :laughing:

Ill do it, as a local by shouldnt be a problem … so long as I can head home in between shoots and get some relaxation therapy.
I`m sure we can come to an agreement on fees, and repeat fees etc

I can just see me in years to come on ITV12, staring on repeats of “Britains dumbest drivers” along side mad maureen the nutty learner car driver and others…

Will there be gratuitous ■■■ scenes between the volunteer driver and Lycra clad nubile 18 year olds? if so

ME

PS female 18 year olds.

Reading those replies was so funny. Good to see ITV is so well respected out there. :laughing:

Let me lay it down straight.

The programme will be looking at cycling issues in London.

Cyling has boomed in the capital since the 7/7 bombings and sadly this has led to an increase in the number of cyclists being killed and injured on Londons roads. Another sad fact is that around half of these deaths have had something to do with an LGV.

One part of this programme (about 5 minutes) is aiming to educate both groups of road users about how to avoid each other at accident blackspots.

The three things we need to film for this are:

1 - A drive through central London where a truck driver points out to our presenter (an avid cyclist) how cyclists put themselves at risk whilst cycling around trucks.

2 - Some reconstructions of how the most common crashes between bikes and lorries happen. (all filmed on private land)

3 - Getting a truck driver to go for a (very short) bike ride through London so they can put what they’ve learned about cycle safety into practice.

If any drivers from the London area do fancy taking part please do get in touch on either:

mark.pizzey@itv.com or 020 7737 8946

Say what you will :wink:

Mark

Pizzey:
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3 - Getting a truck driver to go for a (very short) bike ride through London so they can put what they’ve learned about cycle safety into practice.

If any drivers from the London area do fancy taking part please do get in touch on either:

mark.pizzey@itv.com or 020 7737 8946

Say what you will :wink:

Mark

So going by what you’ve put in point no 3 it’s not about teaching cyclist’s at all just another way to have a go at the truck drivers

Kate:
Can I ask a question?

Why a London based driver with a Cat C?

Why not an ‘outsider’ with an artic, then you could really show what irresponsible cyclists are like, whilst negotiating unfamiliar territory with a fully freighted artic.

In fact it’s a shame you weren’t with me this week, I could have shown you half a dozen idiots in just two days.

Oh yeah, and I know that was two questions :wink:

agree with this one…i had 3 drops i london on wednesday morning its not just the cyclists its arragont impatientcar drivers aswell. took a brandnew truck and came back i 1peace luckily.
1/ car impatient trys to overtake me going round traffic island and onto other side of road only just squeezing infront of me at lights.

2/ north circular stupid clio cut me up on exit slip road relising it was her exit forcing me to break from 50mph to 10mph

3/ negotiating a tight right turn mirrors checked starts to swing left for space half way round a vauxhall zafira trying to over take on blinde side only to relise no space for it and mounts kirb to get passed.

I hate london

Pizzey:
Reading those replies was so funny. Good to see ITV is so well respected out there. :laughing:

Hi Pizzey, Thanks for your answers. ITV would earn my respect, if what you’re trying to achieve were to be more balanced.

Pizzey:
Let me lay it down straight.

The programme will be looking at cycling issues in London.

Cyling has boomed in the capital since the 7/7 bombings and sadly this has led to an increase in the number of cyclists being killed and injured on Londons roads. Another sad fact is that around half of these deaths have had something to do with an LGV.

I’m happy to accept your figures, but will there be any attempt to tell us where the blame lay for for these sad deaths, or have you jumped to the conclusion that the LGV driver is always to blame :question:

If you come at this from the viewpoint that it’s never the cyclists’ fault, is it any wonder that ITV has a certain reputation :question:

I’d strongly advise you not to adopt the approach of “look what the big nasty juggernaut did to the poor cyclist” otherwise your programme might attract a some complaints to the broadcasting standards watchdog :wink:

Now you’ve kindly stated your aims, do you honestly claim that your programme will be fair and impartial :question:
I’d like to see the answer to that in writing please :smiley: (I might even watch your programme then :wink: )

Pizzey:
One part of this programme (about 5 minutes) is aiming to educate both groups of road users about how to avoid each other at accident blackspots.

Please consider that there’s not a great deal that a truck driver can do to avoid a cyclist in a slow-moving traffic situation, since a proportion of cyclists will simply weave their way through a traffic queue at a relatively fast pace, thereby placing themselves into a dangerous situation. The only thing an LGV driver can do is to keep up all-around observation, but this isn’t helped by the behaviour of a proportion of cyclists IMHO.

Pizzey:
The three things we need to film for this are:

1 - A drive through central London where a truck driver points out to our presenter (an avid cyclist) how cyclists put themselves at risk whilst cycling around trucks.

2 - Some reconstructions of how the most common crashes between bikes and lorries happen. (all filmed on private land)

These first two seem quite fair at first, but will you show an equal number of examples of LGV drivers’ fault Vs. cyclists’ fault :question:
If not, then perhaps you could justify this with some hard (verifiable) facts that LGV drivers are more to blame.

Pizzey:
3 - Getting a truck driver to go for a (very short) bike ride through London so they can put what they’ve learned about cycle safety into practice.

IMHO, #3 is potentially flawed. Let me explain in very general terms:

Most LGV drivers have cycled at some point in their lives, whereas generally, cyclists haven’t got a clue about trucks.
The cat “C” LGV driver you seek has passed at least two driving tests, one of them at a higher standard than a “car” test. What demonstrable competence must a cyclist have :question:
Generally, a truck diver is far better behaved in a traffic situation than a cylist.
There is a maintenance and MOT testing regime for trucks, but cycles have no equivalent.
(Just look at how many cycles a ridden willy-nilly on and off pavements, straight through red traffic lights, or at night without lights :smiling_imp: )
If your programme sought to highlight the disproportionate enforcement of the the rules of the road against LGV drivers Vs. cyclists, or qualifications to even be on the road for both groups, I think you’d get far more support from truckers.

Enforcement against LGV drivers is verifiable against CPS prosecution statistics, but what evidence is there of effective and even-handed enforcement against cyclists :question:

How often are cyclists made to take responsibility for their actions :question:

In terms of fairness and the breadth of remit, IMHO, the objective of this programme might be misconceived.

Over to you Pizzey. :smiley:

Why a ‘C’ licence? Joe public wouldn’t know the difference between a 7.5 tonner driven by someone on a car licence and an 18 tonner driven on a ‘C’ licence.

Given that the average driver 7.5 tonner has never had any training other than for a car licence, then there is every possibility that the HGV driver will be portrayed in a less than good light.

Does the programmer know the difference between a 7.5 tonner and an 18 tonner? How’s he going to hire one without an O licence?

Sorry Mr Programmer, but unless you are going to use an artic you’re wasting your time.

PS LICENCE is not spelt LICENSE unless you live in the USA :angry:

Thats better :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

Having done thousands of miles on the streets of London (mostly motorcycle and transit van) it’s bad, but not that bad.

Drive in Dublin for two minutes and it gives you a whole new experience of crap driving.

(I still use a pedal cycle and use 2,3,4 (and more) wheeled motor vehicles so I can see it from all sides)

Cycle couriers are quite adept at weaving about, but then they are also quite aware of what’s going on around them. Commuter cyclist on the other hand can be a bit poor at positioning themselves sensibly. Road engineers want shot for putting a cycle lane in the middle of the road on some of the bridges, absolute madness!

(A hof-pund o’sausages on the heid doesnae make you invincible)

sounds to me like you are looking for a driver to come on your prog in good faith then give him enough rope to hang himself and the rest of us no thanks

Some things I have seen bike riders do.

1 Wrong way down one way streets.

2 Ignore traffic lights.

3 No lights on bike, in fact more bikes without lights round here than with.

4 Go down side of truck while truck turning left.

5 No lights on dual carriageway at night in fog/rain.

6 Riding three or four abreast on busy roads making people take silly risks overtaking them.

The only thing that surprises me about road lice is that we do not have to scrape a couple of the wheels every night.

Edward Teller:
Some things I have seen bike riders do.

1 Wrong way down one way streets.

2 Ignore traffic lights.

3 No lights on bike, in fact more bikes without lights round here than with.

4 Go down side of truck while truck turning left.

5 No lights on dual carriageway at night in fog/rain.

6 Riding three or four abreast on busy roads making people take silly risks overtaking them.

The only thing that surprises me about road lice is that we do not have to scrape a couple of the wheels every night.

Ha ! I’ve seen truckers do EVERY one of those too !!

You perhaps Mike?

how about a programme where members of parliment go round hitting cyclist because they wont stop for a red light?, or how about the moron couriers who come down your left side then across the front of you just as your about to pull off, or go to the top of the tory party by fliming cameron cycling to work every day. you could even flim it from his car carrying his spare tie and socks! sorry mate dont like the sound of your programme, you could save yourself a lot of time by just going down to the itv canteen find the fattest, scruffiest bloke in there give him the keys to a 7.5 tonner and a johnny cash cd and let him loose round london! you want to be making an impartial programme then maybe the presenter should not be an avid cyclist or get him to spend a week out on the road with an experienced driver, let him see the pillocks that use our roads every day, and the fact that ■■■■■ are treated with more respect at services than a bloke trying to make a living in a job thats over regulated by muppets dont seem to realise the importance trucks have to the uk’s exsistance. i would scrap the idea mr pizzy, better off paying for more asbo morons to appear on jeremy vile! right rant over hope you have a nice weekend… :smiley:

Pizzey:
Cyling has boomed in the capital since the 7/7 bombings and sadly this has led to an increase in the number of cyclists being killed and injured on Londons roads. Another sad fact is that around half of these deaths have had something to do with an LGV.

Already making it sound like its the drivers fault.

Would be far, far, more useful to get as many cyclists as possible (not all at once :unamused: ) to ride in an artic in city centre traffic & have the diffuculties faced by the driver pointed out to them aswell as the blind spots & the crazy dangerous actions of other road users

2 - Some reconstructions of how the most common crashes between bikes and lorries happen. (all filmed on private land)

Now that’s sensible because it may just help to educate the public about the drivers field of vision & blind spots.

I’d hazard a guess that the single biggest cause is cyclists coming up the inside of trucks that are signaling to turn left. numpty cyclists!

A Class C vehicle is not as useful a tool for this project as an artic would be, as with a class C both sides can be seen in the mirrors at all times.

I would like to know the figures for the accidents that have already occured, as to how often its the LGV drivers fault & how often the cyclists fault.

I think more trucks should have that sticker on the back as a reminder:
“If you can’t see my mirrors, I can’t see you.”

Most truck drivers are also pedestrians, cyclists (at some point in their lives), & car drivers.
Now how many of the people in those categories can drive a truck?

surely this is a job for TK Dave
Driver Jorno of this parish

I’d offer my professional driving services, but you’ll have to fly me back from Thailand for the filming :wink:

Not so fast I’ll do it for the train fare if they pick me up at liverpool st. :stuck_out_tongue: