Unbelievable - this individual must have sat across the desk from someone who thought he was the pick of the bunch (from the ad).
Why do firms keep hiring people with appalling driving records - it’s completely beyond me.
TC should ban him for life (especially since this awful tragedy he’s managed to acquire a DD as well) 
The TM should be hauled in for an assessment, too.
Socketset:
Unbelievable - this individual must have sat across the desk from someone who thought he was the pick of the bunch (from the ad).Why do firms keep hiring people with appalling driving records - it’s completely beyond me.
It really is beyond belief - why don’t they prosecute the companies who hire these people. And sadly this is not an isolated case, here are another two
Three previous convictions for drink driving + 20 for driving without a licence, and someone gave him the keys to an 8 legger and told him to drive it in rush hour traffic in central london
dailymail.co.uk/news/article … phone.html
Another ex drink driver with 5, yes FIVE, previous driving bans kills another road user in a tipper
standard.co.uk/news/crime/ki … 50978.html
The companies that employ people like this should also be in court.
“Why, hello, good morning, is that N E Prat insurance company? Deliverance Bros Transport here, just to let you know we’ve got Johnny Skullcrap starting on Monday - yes, yes, top bloke only thing is he’s been banned a few times and at least one DD. Sorry, what you say, no problem, OK right you are then, I’ll pass on his particulars to you if he bothers to show up. By the way whilst you’re on the phone, hows those three claims against us going?”
Socketset:
“Why, hello, good morning, is that N E Prat insurance company? Deliverance Bros Transport here, just to let you know we’ve got Johnny Skullcrap starting on Monday - yes, yes, top bloke only thing is he’s been banned a few times and at least one DD. Sorry, what you say, no problem, OK right you are then, I’ll pass on his particulars to you if he bothers to show up. By the way whilst you’re on the phone, hows those three claims against us going?”
Sadly it’s probably true with some bosses… who should be locked up along with the arses they employ. The truck probably only weighed three ton without him in it.
I wouldn’t look at his cv, driving records etc. Just a look at him should trigger a rejection letter.
Evil8Beezle:
I’m guessing one that didn’t check his licence…
I am no longer surprised when drivers arrive for DCPC courses and upon checking their licence it has expired, or they don’t hold the category for which they drive - that means whoever employs them does not check licences.
Back in the day when we had to check the paper counterpart I saw A LOT with DR codes on - and they were employed as drivers. Of course now it is all online and no paper counter part I expect some employers just don’t have the time or inclination to actually check and take the drivers word.
I hope the TC now gets onto this particular individual and of course whoever employed him.
In the case of Dennis Putz…
Who killed a cyclist whilst he was hungover and on the phone in London in 2010, “He was jailed for seven years and disqualified from driving for life.” (that’s from the DailyMail link Bluey Circles put up)
In Danny Warby’s case, a greedy profit motivated insurance company has seen fit to insure someone who should have been permanently banned from driving lorries for a litany of previous convictions.
The whole thing stinks.
yourhavingalarf:
In the case of Dennis Putz…Who killed a cyclist whilst he was hungover and on the phone in London in 2010, “He was jailed for seven years and disqualified from driving for life.” (that’s from the DailyMail link Bluey Circles put up)
In Danny Warby’s case, a greedy profit motivated insurance company has seen fit to insure someone who should have been permanently banned from driving lorries for a litany of previous convictions.
The whole thing stinks.
You’re not wrong.
The drink driving conviction this guy had was in 2015, they fatal accident he was being sentenced for this week occurred in 2014, so any sanction for the DD offence wouldn’t have prevented the fatal.
It’s possible that the TC was waiting for the outcome of the pending criminal proceeding before taking action so they’d be able to take both offences into account. In any case he had a year’s ban from last year, so I doubt he’s done much driving since the DD.
As for his sentence, six years in prison is at the higher end of what courts tend give for killing someone with a motor vehicle.
Socketset:
Unbelievable - this individual must have sat across the desk.
Don’t you mean got stuck?
Glen A9:
As for his sentence, six years in prison is at the higher end of what courts tend give for killing someone with a motor vehicle.
No that’s actually 14 years max.
m.a.n rules:
I don’t think he will have to worry if he drop’s the soap in the shower.
Very much doubt he even knows what soap is let alone uses it looking at the state of him!
Carryfast:
No that’s actually 14 years max.
I said what tends to be issued by courts, not what the legal maximum is.
shep532:
I am no longer surprised when drivers arrive for DCPC courses and upon checking their licence it has expired, or they don’t hold the category for which they drive - that means whoever employs them does not check licences.Back in the day when we had to check the paper counterpart I saw A LOT with DR codes on - and they were employed as drivers. Of course now it is all online and no paper counter part I expect some employers just don’t have the time or inclination to actually check and take the drivers word.
I hope the TC now gets onto this particular individual and of course whoever employed him.
Going by the plummeting standards of driving in all types of vehicles the issue of unlicenced drivers or possibly dodgy driving test activeties seems like an epidemic.Driving while disqualified or without a licence should be classed as a serious dangerous driving offence. 
Glen A9:
Carryfast:
No that’s actually 14 years max.I said what tends to be issued by courts, not what the legal maximum is.
That’s fair enough.Maybe having to give out excessively lenient sentences in some cases to protect others from the precedent of excessively harsh ones in the case of more borderline circumstances.
Carryfast:
Driving while disqualified or without a licence should be classed as a serious dangerous driving offence.
+1
The slap on the wrist given at present isnt working so it needs to be toughened up. I read about a guy caught driving while disqualified who was given a further increase of disqualification. The fact he had proven to simply ignore the original one didnt seem to make them think he would ignore this one as well! Perhaps the threat of jail time would deter some of them
The-Snowman:
Carryfast:
Driving while disqualified or without a licence should be classed as a serious dangerous driving offence.+1
The slap on the wrist given at present isnt working so it needs to be toughened up. I read about a guy caught driving while disqualified who was given a further increase of disqualification. The fact he had proven to simply ignore the original one didnt seem to make them think he would ignore this one as well! Perhaps the threat of jail time would deter some of them
I’ve never understood the whole concept of driving penalties, as if you are caught without insurance, the penalty is generally a fine, some points and a huge jump in insurance premiums that I suspect makes them even less likely to have some!
Lock them up for a stint…
Evil8Beezle:
I’ve never understood the whole concept of driving penalties, as if you are caught without insurance, the penalty is generally a fine, some points and a huge jump in insurance premiums that I suspect makes them even less likely to have some!
Lock them up for a stint…
Considering the cost of insurance for new, young drivers is (usually) thousands and the fine for driving without insurance is hundreds, it’s no wonder people take the risk.
The only solution is to make it financially unviable to get caught.
Evil8Beezle:
I hope he tops himself inside…But what firm hires a driver with a DD conviction?
I’m guessing one that didn’t check his licence…
Just to play devil’s advocate, not everyone with a DD conviction is a repeat offending danger on the road. I agree with the ‘two strikes and never drive again’ , but there are drivers (even hgv drivers) who have made mistakes in the past, and learned from them.
Still see plenty of lorry drivers on the phone.
