Someone more knowledgable than me may correct me but I seem to remember you cannot be credited twice for the same course within the 5 year period. I may have dreamt it.
The other thing is if the previous statement is not correct and you are allowed to be credited twice, you would not be able to drive under ADR regs until you pass ADR course even though you had gained your DCPC
ROG:
limeyphil:
vocational training is excempt from VAT. it always has been, and is unlikely to change.Would you provide some evidence of that please
4.1 How do I establish the VAT liability of the business supplies I make?
To do this you must first decide whether:
you’re an “eligible body” (see paragraph 4.2); and
your supplies are of education, research or vocational training (see section 5).
If…
then…
you’re an eligible body (see paragraph 4.2)
your supplies of education and vocational training are exempt from VAT
both you and your customer are eligible bodies (see paragraph 4.2)
your supplies of research are also exempt from VAT
you’re not an eligible body (see paragraph 4.2)
consider whether the services you provide are either:
private tuition (see section 6); or
examination services (see section 7)
I cannot read that and put it into context - please supply a link to where that is from
gogzy:
alamcculloch:
People like Gogzy by virtue of being Scottish can and should apply for an I.L.A. INDIVIDUAL LEARNING ACCOUNT its worth £200. per annum.I think the whole thing is a tax ,but there we go. There was a post about a month ago guy said that the Dutch are saying if you were born prior to 1955 you dont need to do the training.im hoping to be away from trucks by 2014 tbh, not really driving much anymore, i see it as a tax on us by the government for something we know already, its a good thing for new drivers without a clue,
I’ve just done a course, most were older drivers with 7.5t licences that didn’t have a clue about half of what was taught including hours.
Some others on the course have had their licences for donkeys and were still working on the old rules.
1 other on the course has been on plant for 20yrs, so it was a refresher / update for him…
But, then there was me and 2 others that make it our business to keep upto date with rules and regs that affect our job and it was just a waste of time and money for us.
1 thing 1 of the people pointed out… 2hrs driving, 15 mins break, 2.5hrs driving, 30 mins break, 4.5hrs driving… This is legal… BUT, take out the 1st 2hrs driving and it becomes illegal… and what he was saying was that you’re not aloud to drive more than 4.5hrs without having a 45 min break, but in that example you’ve basically done 6.5hrs with only 30 mins break.
Now, I know it’s a legal example, but you can see where he’s coming from and he said that there was a court case years ago where they used that argument but I can’t find the details of what happened.
done one day, which if i did learn anything i have already forgotten it. the whole thing is a joke and a pure money making scheme. im all for training and improving driving standards but if they want to do that every driver on the road should be doing it. it cost me the travel to the course
C10HOO:
Slept through 21 hours so far, called DSA to ask about my hiab course counting towards it and they confirmed I have done 7 hours so farSomehow 14 hours have gone missing somewhere.
have you got the certificates to prove you attended ?
I’ve done nothing towards it so far, and since the word on the grapevine is such that my employer has no plans to pay for it, then I will be doing nothing towards it at any point.
I certainly will not pay for this driver CPC out of my own pocket, just to retain the so called privilege of driving trucks (sorry, lorries) to pay the bills. I have somehow survived this far without the miracle of driver CPC, and I see no reason for it. I learn all I need through asking questions, listening to others, reading, liberal filtering of the male cow excretion products and my mate told me. Plus moderated use of the Mk1 eyeball.
Come 2014 I will happily say goodbye to this nonsense and find something else to do. It will be 7 years by then, that is plenty for me.
I reserve the right to return with tail firmly between legs if and when I cannot earn as much elsewhere for similar time/effort invested (besides driving licence I have nothing beyond GCSE’s) but that is yet to be proven, and 2014 is a way off yet.
Done so far = Zero
What I will do before Oct. 2014 = Zero (unless i can get someone else to pay fot it)
I am lucky that the Oct.2014 deadline coincides with the end of my mortgage.
If I am still driving for a living at that time I will simply walk into the dole office and say I want to sign on as I am no longer qualified to do the job I have been doing since 1996 due to new EU regs, Please pay me dole and income support.
Let them say i have made myself dellibretly unemployed when I show them my bank statements for the last twenty years that show i have been living on a permanent overdraft just to survive in this rip-off country without ever claiming benefits or dole and paying tax and NI since 1982!
It might be interesting to see what the jobcentre would say if a driver walked in during august 2014 and said - I will no longer have a job after 9th september because I will not have a DQC and need 35 hours of the dcpc, will you pay for it so I can carry on working or would you rather I signed on?
Hmmm…
going to start doing mine this year.
already done another rip off scheme to enable me to work on the hard shoulder(16 hrs over 2 days),which so far hasn’t been enforced by the highways agency across the recovery industry,so seems top be worthless.
so will be really sick when this turns out to be aload of ■■■■■■■■ too.
when you add up all the licences/shemes/vocational training required it’s mind boggling,especially if you are self employed as taking time off to do this stuff is difficult and double costly.
Haven’t got mine, not sure if I really want one. Complete load of BS if you ask me
ROG:
It might be interesting to see what the jobcentre would say if a driver walked in during august 2014 and said - I will no longer have a job after 9th september because I will not have a DQC and need 35 hours of the dcpc, will you pay for it so I can carry on working or would you rather I signed on?
Hmmm…
heres your answer
Sign here…and this is your sign on date and time
goodbye
ROG:
It might be interesting to see what the jobcentre would say if a driver walked in during august 2014 and said - I will no longer have a job after 9th september because I will not have a DQC and need 35 hours of the dcpc, will you pay for it so I can carry on working or would you rather I signed on?
Hmmm…
probably "sit down over there , we’ll deal with you as soon as we can " 
ROG:
I cannot read that and put it into context - please supply a link to where that is from
I would say it’s come from one of the O- Licence modules
ROG:
I cannot read that and put it into context - please supply a link to where that is from
But not all education and training qualifies so you also have to read section 5, particularly 5.3 to see if the type of training being provided does indeed qualify. And you also have to read section 4.2 to see if you are an eligible body.
Section 5 could be taken as DCPC training is exempt from VAT but I don’t think many providers would be an eligible body under section 4.2 although some may be eligble thanks to section 5.5 Only way to be sure would be to check with HMR&C regarding your circumstances if you are a training provider.
Im doing my 2nd module of it on Tuesday . Not looking forward to sitting in a room with a load of boring drivers for a whole shift , I’d rather be out on the road . However , it’s at no expense to me so I can’t complain and as I intend to drive till I’m an old git , I suppose I’ll have to do as I’m told . Not happy about the DCPC at all but if it improves the driving attitude of drivers from countries who’s standards are lower than others then there may be some merit to it .
I doubt it though.
Thanks coffeeholic - it seems as though those in a profit making training business are generally not exempt from the VAT rules
Had our first one today, not sure on the next, did learn some things and sorted others.
