sorry my mistake with word “gay” now you catch the point? as i said english is my 2nd laguage. do you know any other language at the same level as i know english? what a laugh ha ha
jan_m:
sorry my mistake with word “gay” now you catch the point? as i said english is my 2nd laguage. do you know any other language at the same level as i know english? what a laugh ha ha
chill out fella i wasn’t having a pop your english and spelling is very good for your 2nd language 
jan_m:
sorry my mistake with word “gay” now you catch the point? as i said english is my 2nd laguage. do you know any other language at the same level as i know english? what a laugh ha ha
Was far from taking the ■■■■ out of your english my friend, yes it is a laugh, chill out and don’t be so up tight buddy, if I’d have said oh my god you have no grasp of the english language get the ■■■■ away from this forum then your reply would have been valid, but I didn’t say that, chill
ohterry:
whats your take on driver’s who flout the drink driving law?i am asking because a m8 of mine has just been refused a licence by his local commissioner for having 2 dr10’s on his licence.
I am confused by this post as it later states that the last DR10 was 7 years ago, so what was recently done that brought “ohterry” and his m8 to the local commissioners attention?
Wheel Nut:
ohterry:
whats your take on driver’s who flout the drink driving law?i am asking because a m8 of mine has just been refused a licence by his local commissioner for having 2 dr10’s on his licence.
I am confused by this post as it later states that the last DR10 was 7 years ago, so what was recently done that brought “ohterry” and his m8 to the local commissioners attention?
if you what your hgv licence back and you apply to DVLA there will ask the TC to see if he/she should be given it back
B. REFERRALS TO TRAFFIC COMMISSIONERS
6. DVLA is responsible for all aspects of drivers’ licences with the exception of deciding on conduct cases for vocational drivers which parliament has decided shall be referred to Traffic Commissioners by the Secretary of State.
7. Traffic Commissioners can only take action on a vocational conduct case upon the referral of that case to the Traffic Commissioners by the Secretary of State. Referrals will have been properly made in the following circumstances:
a. For endorsable convictions: by DVLA.
b. For non-endorsable offences and third-party notifications: under the authority of the Secretary of State for Transport
8. Under the legislation a Traffic Commissioner may deal with a case in writing or require the person concerned to attend a hearing before the Traffic Commissioner.
9. The cases which should be referred to the Traffic Commissioner by DVLA are set out below:
a. Under Section 113 of the Act, first-time applicants for a provisional vocational licence who have accumulated 9 penalty points on their Ordinary Driving Licence (ODL) over the past 3 years or been disqualified as well as previous holders of vocational licences whose ordinary driving entitlement has already been returned.
b. Under Section 113 of the Act any holder of a vocational licence aged 21 or more who has achieved 6 penalty points within 2 years of obtaining his ODL and has therefore reverted to learner status under the Road Traffic (New Drivers) Act 1995.
c. Under Section 117 of the Act, persons who have previously held a vocational licence, whether full or provisional, but who have been disqualified by a court for more than 56 days, and whose ordinary driving entitlement has not yet been restored.
d. The Secretary of State may also, under Section 116 of the Act, refer to Traffic Commissioners holders of LGV or PCV licences whose fitness may be in doubt. These may include drivers with non-endorsable offences, convictions, cautions or fixed penalties (such as drivers’ hour’s offences), relevant criminal convictions, cautions or fixed penalties in the case of PCV drivers, or others where, for instance, tachograph evidence demonstrates persistent speeding.
10. Any driver called to appear before a Traffic Commissioner will be dealt with individually. Such proceedings will be open to the public unless the case involves evidence where the Traffic Commissioner is of the opinion that the proceedings should be heard “in camera” in the interest of justice. All driver conduct proceedings will be recorded. Should an applicant for a licence not respond to two requests for written information, or fail twice without good reason to attend a hearing, the Traffic Commissioner will normally decline to proceed further with the application in which case the licence will be refused. This will be entered into DVLA’s drivers’ record as Refused (until 70th birthday); so that the system will produce an alert if a subsequent vocational licence application is made.
mmm interesting. wonder if same applies to a medical condition that has not reocurred in a set time limit also ?
In most cases though, doesn’t the TC become involved much earlier than that? like 7 years earlier, after or just before the ban expires. I got an invitation to Harehills House without any correspondence from DVLA
bigandy:
in my opinion there should be a zero tolerance to drinking and driving.
Good point, if the rules were the same as the UK rail network (zero tolerance to drink and drugs) we would’nt be having this discussion. Usually rail workers get adequate time off so they can have a drink and recover from its effects before returning to work. Random testing is the norm and failure to take a test is an admission of guilt which usually means you lose your job and right to work elsewhere on the rail network.
Workers get issued with a sentinel card, have this withdrawn and your looking at a change of career.
Most folk cope with the rules and plan their social life accordingly, if you go on a bender then you simply have to take time off before returning to work.
Advantages are good time off and everyone is safe.
Disadvantages are even a shandy will cost you your job, holiday pay and possably loss of pension. If your gaffer is a ■■■■ and smells even a hint of drink they can get you mediscreened and sacked if their assumptions are right, I know of one person who commited suicide because he lost everything, so you don’t give them the opportunity.
But as it stands, anyone who is convicted of drink driving is sentenced and once complete have paid their due’s to society and should be entitled to work. If folk are not happy, then change the rules.
http://www.ncca-sentinel.co.uk/docs/indivrules.pdf
Page 8 onwards if anyone is interested.
So i see all the happy clappy preachers are out, if you did a poll and everyone was honest i should imagine the MAJORITY on here drink the night before they drive, off for a swift whiskey now i deserve it.
Dafman:
So i see all the happy clappy preachers are out, if you did a poll and everyone was honest i should imagine the MAJORITY on here drink the night before they drive, off for a swift whiskey now i deserve it.
I did in my younger days (over 25 years ago) and never thought twice about the effects it could be having the next morning !!!
How many times have you gone out for a drink, met a couple of mates and then had a few more ?, after a certain amount (everyone is diferent) people tend to do daft things, end up bed with people that they normally would not, get in to a fight, wake up in a fountain in Switzerland at 3 o clock in the morning why ■■?.
Because alcohol impairs a persons judgement they tend to do daft things or react to situations in a manner that they normally would not.
Many of those caught drinking and driving have no recollection of getting in to the vehicle in the first place.
It is not something that most do intentionally. Hardly anyone goes down the pub thinking to themselves… right I am going to get smashed and then drive home for the fun of it.
ROG:
I did in my younger days (over 25 years ago) and never thought twice about the effects it could be having the next morning !!!
will your back allow you to pick up a pint then Rog ■■? 
Dafman:
So i see all the happy clappy preachers are out, if you did a poll and everyone was honest i should imagine the MAJORITY on here drink the night before they drive, off for a swift whiskey now i deserve it.
i don’t drink at all and would never do so, as i have see what it can do as it happened to me but that’s a long story
i do not begrudge anyone from having a drink its there body and the life and the licence but for one think i can’t stand it someone who does not care about the consequence of there actions
Vascoingles:
It is not something that most do intentionally. Hardly anyone goes down the pub thinking to themselves… right I am going to get smashed and then drive home for the fun of it.
rubbish, we all know at least a few eejits who do it intentionally, out of laziness, bravado, whatever
I have a dr on my brief its a few years out and i dont dd now more i got my licence bk and had to sign a big excess agreement despite a good truck record to get my job. But two dd is diferent
jj72:
Vascoingles:
It is not something that most do intentionally. Hardly anyone goes down the pub thinking to themselves… right I am going to get smashed and then drive home for the fun of it.rubbish, we all know at least a few eejits who do it intentionally, out of laziness, bravado, whatever
not met one yet during my 52 years on this planet
I must lead a sheltered life 
wake up in a fountain in Switzerland at 3 o clock in the morning why ■■?.
unless i missed it we need the story
Vascoingles:
How many times have you gone out for a drink, met a couple of mates and then had a few more ?, after a certain amount (everyone is diferent) people tend to do daft things, end up bed with people that they normally would not, get in to a fight, wake up in a fountain in Switzerland at 3 o clock in the morning why ■■?.
This isnt something Im particulary proud of nor do I like to talk about it but…
5 or 6 years ago I went out with a few mates for a few birthday drinks, went into town and erm, well got a bit drunk.
I remember walking into a bar but not coming out of it and apparently I tried to start a fight (those that know me will know Im not violent at all) and nearly got arrested…
However that isnt the worst of it - going home I collapsed at the front door and an ambulance was called and just as the doors were about to be closed I woke up and let out, no doubt if I hadnt have done I would have had my stomach pumped…
Since that day, I rarely drink and if I do its 2 pints maximum and I would never drink and drive, not even after 1 pint…
Any one who drinks and drives should never hold a licence to drive a h.g.v again. the should also serve a sentance of some sort wether it be a custodial or doing community service of some kind. they are a danger to other road users. they knew what they were doing when they had a drink and they knew they would be breaking the law so no excuse. might sound harsh but when you loose a friend due to an idiot who was 3 times over the limit maybe they will understand how it feels. 
Dafman:
So i see all the happy clappy preachers are out, if you did a poll and everyone was honest i should imagine the MAJORITY on here drink the night before they drive, off for a swift whiskey now i deserve it.
So everyones a happy clappy preacher because they don`t like running people off the road or drink driving.
We better not use our mobile phone when your about though or our boss is getting a phone call. 