Warren T. Claim:
Whats the law regarding being over the limit and sleeping in your cab? I believe that if you were asleep drunk in your car you would get done for drunk in charge. Is it safe to have a skinfull in a truckstop bar?
I only had a skin full if i was weekended in Geneva on a sat night parked up in port francs 
great days where have they all gone 
limeyphil:
Warren T. Claim:
Whats the law regarding being over the limit and sleeping in your cab? I believe that if you were asleep drunk in your car you would get done for drunk in charge. Is it safe to have a skinfull in a truckstop bar?to cover your arse. you should shut your curtains before you go for a drink. enter your cab from the passenger side. lock your keys in a cupboard.
a women was aquited in blackpool some years ago. she was asleep on the back seat of her car, she was drunk, but she told the court that she had drank whiskey to get her to sleep, as it was a very cold night, she had started living in the car as she had left her husband recently. she had no intention of driving the vehicle. and i think the prosecution need to prove intent.
Thought you said she was in a car ā ā 
billybigrig:
Never in this country but I hate to imagine what I would have registered some mornings after a good night in a routiersYouād be suprised how many English drivers who wouldnāt dream of doing it over here do it on a regular basis over there.
A mate of mine on a double man job had issues with his copilot being piā¦ err drunk at the wheel. He only realised when he was woken up by the offending fellow polishing the trailer on the crash barrier
Youād be suprised how often that happens, especially on rock and roll work
limeyphil:
Warren T. Claim:
Whats the law regarding being over the limit and sleeping in your cab? I believe that if you were asleep drunk in your car you would get done for drunk in charge. Is it safe to have a skinfull in a truckstop bar?to cover your arse. you should shut your curtains before you go for a drink. enter your cab from the passenger side. lock your keys in a cupboard.
a women was aquited in blackpool some years ago. she was asleep on the back seat of her car, she was drunk, but she told the court that she had drank whiskey to get her to sleep, as it was a very cold night, she had started living in the car as she had left her husband recently. she had no intention of driving the vehicle. and i think the prosecution need to prove intent.
I think its a dumb law, mind was going out with this girl who lived about 40 miles away from my house. Was out drinking with her one night and we had an argument, has Ā£10 on me and nowhere to go. So thought better not sleep in the motor so went for a walk at 1am, was freezing middle of winter. Sat in a park for ages, thinking first bus is at 10am cause its a Sunday.
Ended up going back risking it sleeping in the motor in the street, thought that or i,m gonna die of hypothermia. Luckly had a estate car at the time and used to keep my work stuff in the motor, a sleeping bag and pillow, so pulled over the cover bit that covered the boot, and folded down back seat, had my feet sticking out in the back seat, covered them up with a few jackets so no one passing would see me sleeping in the motor.
With being illegal and chance someone seeās you sleeping in the car, its no wonder some people in same circumstances just drive home, going to get done for drink driving anyways !
swordtail:
billybigrig:
Never in this country but I hate to imagine what I would have registered some mornings after a good night in a routiersYouād be suprised how many English drivers who wouldnāt dream of doing it over here do it on a regular basis over there.
A mate of mine on a double man job had issues with his copilot being piā¦ err drunk at the wheel. He only realised when he was woken up by the offending fellow polishing the trailer on the crash barrierYouād be suprised how often that happens, especially on rock and roll work
Funnily enough it was on a music tour fella. It was an overnight run in Germany and suprisingly not that long ago.
I thought this kind of thing had become less common these days, what with harsher penalties and inter country cooperation.
In a previous life when I was on that work (didnāt mix with wife and kids 
) the authorities kept a weather eye on those type of trucks specifically for that reason and the alleged consumption of other substances.
Needless to say given the potentially catastrophic consequences, I believe the boss is none to pleased
billybigrig:
swordtail:
billybigrig:
Never in this country but I hate to imagine what I would have registered some mornings after a good night in a routiersYouād be suprised how many English drivers who wouldnāt dream of doing it over here do it on a regular basis over there.
A mate of mine on a double man job had issues with his copilot being piā¦ err drunk at the wheel. He only realised when he was woken up by the offending fellow polishing the trailer on the crash barrierYouād be suprised how often that happens, especially on rock and roll work
I thought this kind of thing had become less common these days, what with harsher penalties and inter country cooperation.In a previous life when I was on that work (didnāt mix with wife and kids
Needless to say given the potentially catastrophic consequences, I believe the boss is none to pleased
I wouldnāt like to be in his Hi Viz if thats the case surely if he was doing a job well known for this he would have taken more care beggars belief especially if its recent too doubly so.
swordtail:
I wouldnāt like to be in his Hi Viz if thats the case
HiVis T-shirt and flips fella 
The bloke in question was a barely wet behind the ears newby. I think he got a bit carried away with the whole occasion, thinking he was king of the heap being on that job and all that
Itās not uncommon for that to happen with some folk. As Iām sure Kindle and Matt will confirm, some come at it with a bad attitude. Itās a whole different world in that job and you either take to it like a duck to water or youāre gonna be peeing in the wind until you ā ā ā ā up and you will.
The good lads are the quiet ones not the rock n roll beer heros
billybigrig:
Never in this country but I hate to imagine what I would have registered some mornings after a good night in a routiersYouād be suprised how many English drivers who wouldnāt dream of doing it over here do it on a regular basis over there.
A mate of mine on a double man job had issues with his copilot being piā¦ err drunk at the wheel. He only realised when he was woken up by the offending fellow polishing the trailer on the crash barrier
Now i confess to not having the cleanest of licences on this planet but i hope the 2nd man of this operation duly kicked out the offending person and left him there to find his own way home and sod the conseqences if he had run out of hours
think about this is you were in a double manned truck and you co-driver was drunk and driving and you was not what would you do, well this as happened to me, i donāt drink at all,
so this was worrying for me as the other driver was a big man( weightlifting is is hobby ) and and i was only small at the time so when i asked him if he was drinking he said no i never drink and drive, but one day i saw him drink from a small bottle of vodka and asked him what he was drinking he said none of your business and if you say something you will not get up again ok.
well i could not get back in the truck after that comment as i was in fear of what he would do so i did the next best thing and got a train home and quit the job.
this bit will hit you hard, i rang the boss and told him what i was doing and why i left and he said to me donāt be so silly he can drink 5 bottles of vodka before he not fit to drive heās been a drinker for 10 years for me and never hit a thing.
that was very disconcerting
lucky for me i got another job a week later
a few weeks later someone told me that some drinkers can drink lots of alcohol and not suffer from it, there a word for it but canāt remember it
its called tolerance del 
they think they can do it while under the influence but in reality i.e- the alcohol content in their bodies say different if stopped by the old bill
delboytwo:
a few weeks later someone told me that some drinkers can drink lots of alcohol and not suffer from it, there a word for it but canāt remember it
Yeah, thatās true.
If they drink heavily and reguralry their tolerance is rising.
There was a case in Poland someteen years ago, the guy had accident and as a result of driving into a tree he diedā¦
Autopsy showed, that he had 12.6 promiles of alcohol in his blood (1.26 % that is !!!) and died OF INJURIES. (He was driving a car over 100 km/h while so drunk).
Normal person gets about 5 promiles and diesā¦
As for a topic: if that would be once, I canāt see any problem. But it was twice: guy did not learned his lesson. And if you drove when drunk once, you should know how stupid is it. I was once drunk-driving. It was emergency situation. I had only few vodka shots and my father had an accident during the stormy weather - he was bleeding severly and we could not stop it. The phone lines werenāt working and it was before mobile phones were popular, so I took his car and drove to the nearest ambulance station. The road was soooo wiiiiideee, yet I had problems to stay on it. I called ambulance (as I did not wanted to take my father with me when I was not safe to drive) and came back home by taxi. Next day when I took the car from parking I was shocked how bad it was parked - in fact it was just dumped in the middle of the hospital car park.
Therefore I know how dangerous is driving after alcohol. And if someone did that once, he should know that too and never do the same mistake again. So my opinion is: after two bans for drink-driving the driver should not be allowed to work as a driver.
Never again!
delboytwo:
a few weeks later someone told me that some drinkers can drink lots of alcohol and not suffer from it, there a word for it but canāt remember it
That is one of the biggest MYTHS around
Some people can ācopeā with it better but the blood alcohol level is the same in everyone - had a talk on this by experts at our local AD group - medical & police speakers.
Unless someone has 2 liversā¦
at last a sensible thread
1 question that nobody has asked.
what if that person had a medical problem ?. and even the slightest bit of alchol could make them look or appear to be drunk
i i remember correct a case where a bloke had some cough medicine and that put him over the top.
but then again should that person have a car licence if the medical prob was bad enough. i bet there are med probs where it has no effect on your licence yet another prob they can take it away.if your mate has a history terry then its up to him to prove he does not have a drink/drugs problem. rather than the courts to say you have.
r slicker:
what if that person had a medical problem ?. and even the slightest bit of alchol could make them look or appear to be drunk
The roadside test would prove otherwise - it deals with facts not a visual viewpoint
I think the way the authorities deal with drink driving is a national disgrace.
Less than one in six road traffic deaths are credited to drivers over the legal limit. Statistics prove itās the sober drivers that create all the mayhem.
Drivers turning up for work completely sober should be shown the statistics, disciplined with a written warning, sent home immediately and told not to return until thoroughly ā ā ā ā ā ā ā
agree rog. i should have highlighted bill big rigs comment. sorry. e;g if a 2nd driver assumed his mate was rats bummed but in fact had a medical condition wether known or unknown to that person.
has anybody every used one of the drink drive kits from halfords 
ROG:
delboytwo:
a few weeks later someone told me that some drinkers can drink lots of alcohol and not suffer from it, there a word for it but canāt remember itThat is one of the biggest MYTHS around
Some people can ācopeā with it better but the blood alcohol level is the same in everyone - had a talk on this by experts at our local AD group - medical & police speakers.
Unless someone has 2 liversā¦
Really ā ā
My good lady is of a medical background and her inference is that as everyones body is different, that is not the case. Everyones liver functions at a different metabolic rate, as does the rest of the body. If someone has a healthy liver, Kidneys and good blood flow(in terms of oxygen carriage) they can process alcohol many times faster than someone who has not. She herself suffers from a serious underlying medical condition and has lower than normal kidney and liver function. As a result she is a real ācheap dateā, she gets drunk quicker and stays drunk longer than I do. Although she is allowed alcohol in moderation her consultant advised her of the dangers of drink driving as a result of her low processing rate.
Many people DO handle alcohol much better than others and are not as debilitated by itās effects. I can go for a meal or a night out with friends and despite all drinking the same amount of wine, clearly the skinny woman who is staggering to the bathroom is clearly worse than the fat bloke who casually walks outside has a ciggy and then strolls to the bathroom himself.
Another example I would offer here would be the roadside sobriety test in the USA. This is the first thing you are asked to complete if you are suspected of having had a tipple. The test involves various reaction and coordination tests, to indicate how or indeed if, the amount of alcohol you have consumed is affecting your basic abilitys. Only if you fail are you then required to āblow into the machineā to give a quantifiable number for prosecution purposes. Conversely there are plenty of people who might fail this test despite being stone cold sober. So should they not be driving ā ā ?
As has already been pointed out medications, be they prescription or none prescription, can make a person far more unfit to be behind the wheel than being a quantifiable 1/2 glass of wine over a pre set limit. On another site a member of the Met Police did in fact post a warning and an example case of a driver who had a bump and admitted to have taken (i think) a hayfever remedy. He was then prosecuted for being under the influence (or whatever the technical name of the offence was).
In some cases the lack of common sense and this insistence of sticking to rigid limits backed up by overpaid idiots pumping out āstatisticsā really is a nonsense.
Without sliding off topic, Rslicker, the driver in question was seen heavily drinking before hand by others and I suspect being a newby was unaware of the strength of foreign drinks as opposed to Britsh
Warren T. Claim:
Whats the law regarding being over the limit and sleeping in your cab? I believe that if you were asleep drunk in your car you would get done for drunk in charge. Is it safe to have a skinfull in a truckstop bar?
I thought to be considered āDrunk in Chargeā the keys of the vehicle need to be in the ignition. 
If you parked in a truck stop as well Arnt you on private land as opposed to the public highway, so driving laws dont apply as such.
What if your in a camper van & have had a few. Can plod knock on the door when your fast asleep & breathalize you. I think not.
As to the original question. Depends how long ago your mate got done for DD. 10 years ago, maybe give him another chance.Unfortunatly some people never learn!
billybigrig:
My good lady is of a medical background and her inference is that as everyones body is different, that is not the case. Everyones liver functions at a different metabolic rate
I can only suggest that your good lady asks an expert on the liver function this question -
Does the liver filter out alcohol at the same rate in everyone?
Perhaps you could get back to us with the answer she gets
