If you run under domestic rules and have opted out of the wtd rules and are supplied with a van and fuel to travel to and from yard unpaid ,does this count as duty time 
The travelling time to and from the yard does not count as duty time even though it’s done in a company vehicle.
Your working day starts when you book on at the yard and are available to carry out your employers instructions, and ends when you book off and are no longer responsible for carrying out your employers instructions.
tachograph:
The travelling time to and from the yard does not count as duty time even though it’s done in a company vehicle.Your working day starts when you book on at the yard and are available to carry out your employers instructions, and ends when you book off and are no longer responsible for carrying out your employers instructions.
many thanks for that 
Another little question has popped up for filling in our logbooks , We have a week on standby for out of hours jobs (no work in the day rest time ) ,Now if i go out at say 7pm tuesday and do not get home until 4am wednesday do , do i put 5 hours for tues up to midnight , then the rest on for weds ,although i will still have more hours to add for weds if i get called out in the evening
cheers graham
You can’t opt out of the wtd as your a mobile worker
alix776:
You can’t opt out of the wtd as your a mobile worker
When on domestic regulations you work to the Working Time Regulations 1998, most of which can be opted out of.
d4c24a:
Another little question has popped up for filling in our logbooks , We have a week on standby for out of hours jobs (no work in the day rest time ) ,Now if i go out at say 7pm tuesday and do not get home until 4am wednesday do , do i put 5 hours for tues up to midnight , then the rest on for weds ,although i will still have more hours to add for weds if i get called out in the eveningcheers graham
It’s that long since I’ve filled in a log sheet I can barely remember what one looks like to be honest
However driving time and duty time for domestic regulations is calculated on an actual period of 24 hours from the start of the shift, the 24 hour period isn’t reset like it is on EU regulations so I don’t suppose it makes much difference which days sheet you put it down on.
Thanks again , the out of hours work is emergency work for water , so we could just run record free , but it’s not worth the hassle 
d4c24a:
Thanks again , the out of hours work is emergency work for water , so we could just run record free , but it’s not worth the hassle
why don’t you just put your digi in? that’s what i do when on domestic, whether i need to make a record or not
There was some chin wagging today with people who know the rules and they are saying that while we are waiting at a job , or for a job , which can sometimes be hours , if we log that as rest on the tacho (we take print outs )and in our books it is not then counted against the duty time
so say you have done 4 hours work , then "rest " for 3 hours while waiting for a job , we could then have 7 hours duty time left ,total hours would be 14
thanks in advance
d4c24a:
There was some chin wagging today with people who know the rules and they are saying that while we are waiting at a job , or for a job , which can sometimes be hours , if we log that as rest on the tacho (we take print outs )and in our books it is not then counted against the duty timeso say you have done 4 hours work , then "rest " for 3 hours while waiting for a job , we could then have 7 hours duty time left ,total hours would be 14
thanks in advance
i guess they are referring to this , but surely if you are waiting in the truck for a job its still duty
Length of working day (‘spreadover’)
A driver should work no more than 16 hours between the times of starting and finishing work (including work other than driving and off-duty periods during the working day).
d4c24a:
There was some chin wagging today with people who know the rules and they are saying that while we are waiting at a job , or for a job , which can sometimes be hours , if we log that as rest on the tacho (we take print outs )and in our books it is not then counted against the duty timeso say you have done 4 hours work , then "rest " for 3 hours while waiting for a job , we could then have 7 hours duty time left ,total hours would be 14
thanks in advance
This is correct. Under Domestic rules ‘duty’ is when you do something. Time sitting waiting is not duty completely opposite to EU Rules.
Recovery guys are often on ‘duty’ 24 hours in their little caravan at the side of the roadworks but they only have to account for the hours when they actually do something.
d4c24a:
d4c24a:
There was some chin wagging today with people who know the rules and they are saying that while we are waiting at a job , or for a job , which can sometimes be hours , if we log that as rest on the tacho (we take print outs )and in our books it is not then counted against the duty timeso say you have done 4 hours work , then "rest " for 3 hours while waiting for a job , we could then have 7 hours duty time left ,total hours would be 14
thanks in advance
i guess they are referring to this , but surely if you are waiting in the truck for a job its still duty
Length of working day (‘spreadover’)
A driver should work no more than 16 hours between the times of starting and finishing work (including work other than driving and off-duty periods during the working day).
the 16 hour limit is for buses / coaches. there’s different gb domestic rules for them and HGVs, there is no limit for HGVs, but you’re entitled to adequate rest
stevieboy308:
d4c24a:
d4c24a:
There was some chin wagging today with people who know the rules and they are saying that while we are waiting at a job , or for a job , which can sometimes be hours , if we log that as rest on the tacho (we take print outs )and in our books it is not then counted against the duty timeso say you have done 4 hours work , then "rest " for 3 hours while waiting for a job , we could then have 7 hours duty time left ,total hours would be 14
thanks in advance
i guess they are referring to this , but surely if you are waiting in the truck for a job its still duty
Length of working day (‘spreadover’)
A driver should work no more than 16 hours between the times of starting and finishing work (including work other than driving and off-duty periods during the working day).the 16 hour limit is for buses / coaches. there’s different gb domestic rules for them and HGVs, there is no limit for HGVs, but you’re entitled to adequate rest
Record keeping
Under the GB domestic rules on drivers’ hours, there is no requirement for drivers of passenger vehicles to keep records. A person driving both passenger and goods vehicles under the domestic rules should keep written records of hours of duty and driving of goods vehicles.
stevieboy308:
d4c24a:
d4c24a:
There was some chin wagging today with people who know the rules and they are saying that while we are waiting at a job , or for a job , which can sometimes be hours , if we log that as rest on the tacho (we take print outs )and in our books it is not then counted against the duty timeso say you have done 4 hours work , then "rest " for 3 hours while waiting for a job , we could then have 7 hours duty time left ,total hours would be 14
thanks in advance
i guess they are referring to this , but surely if you are waiting in the truck for a job its still duty
Length of working day (‘spreadover’)
A driver should work no more than 16 hours between the times of starting and finishing work (including work other than driving and off-duty periods during the working day).the 16 hour limit is for buses / coaches. there’s different gb domestic rules for them and HGVs, there is no limit for HGVs, but you’re entitled to adequate rest
Buses on GB Domestic Rules (local routes, carrying a route card) are max 15hours. Coaches without 'Set Timed Route cards Local Route cards, are EU Tacho rules same as non exempt Hgvs. Difference between a bus and a coach is ‘only’ - “you can stand up in a bus”.
Nav900:
Buses on GB Domestic Rules (local routes, carrying a route card) are max 15hours.
The maximum spread-over for passenger carrying vehicles on UK domestic regulations is 16 hours.
Nav900:
Coaches without 'Set Timed Route cards Local Route cards, are EU Tacho rules same as non exempt Hgvs.
There are EU exemptions for PCV vehicles just as there are LGV exemptions.
Nav900:
Difference between a bus and a coach is ‘only’ - “you can stand up in a bus”.
It doesn’t matter whether you’re standing, sitting, lying down or standing on your head, buses and coaches are classed as passenger carrying vehicles in the UK domestic regulations.