AndrewG:
This is the thing, once learnt never forgotten, you never know when you may be given a flat to load with an awkward load that wont go in a curtainsider. Roping and sheeting needs to be taught, the same as stripping and building up a tilt.
Ironically the rot might have set in all the way back when the curtainsider was introduced.With the flawed idea that (1) the curtain and it’s straps were also there to secure the load so (2) we won’t seem to bother with putting rope hooks there for anyone who disagrees.Which is even more ironic now that DVSA rightly views curtains as weather protection not load restraint.
On that note from the point of view of load security realistically a curtainsider and a tilt is a flat and both therefore should have rope hook provision for roping loads.
Rope hooks are only rated to secure the sheet with rope, not as a load restraint.
AndrewG:
This is the thing, once learnt never forgotten, you never know when you may be given a flat to load with an awkward load that wont go in a curtainsider. Roping and sheeting needs to be taught, the same as stripping and building up a tilt.
Ironically the rot might have set in all the way back when the curtainsider was introduced.With the flawed idea that (1) the curtain and it’s straps were also there to secure the load so (2) we won’t seem to bother with putting rope hooks there for anyone who disagrees.Which is even more ironic now that DVSA rightly views curtains as weather protection not load restraint.
On that note from the point of view of load security realistically a curtainsider and a tilt is a flat and both therefore should have rope hook provision for roping loads.
Dvsa changed their mind on curtain siders, they can be viewed as more than just weather protection
Carryfast:
On that note from the point of view of load security realistically a curtainsider and a tilt is a flat and both therefore should have rope hook provision for roping loads.
Rope hooks are only rated to secure the sheet with rope, not as a load restraint.
No rope hooks are classed as ok by DVSA to use to secure loads with ‘ropes’ but not straps or chains.
the nodding donkey:
Rope hooks are only rated to secure the sheet with rope, not as a load restraint.
Strange is that, because before there were straps and ratchets at hand, I secured many 20 tonne loads of stuff like timber for example, and even the worst …formica coated chipboard (double roped, double hitched on every other hook) and guess what ?
Perfectly restrained, proved in as much as I never lost a load.
Goes to prove that these ‘‘Theory world’’ tossers who come up with these new rules, are actually, surprise surprise, talking directly out of their collective arse holes.
But why let fact get in the way of theory, especially when they can make a few quid out of fines.
the nodding donkey:
Rope hooks are only rated to secure the sheet with rope, not as a load restraint.
Strange is that, because before there were straps and ratchets at hand, I secured many 20 tonne loads of stuff like timber for example, and even the worst …formica coated chipboard (double roped, double hitched on every other hook) and guess what ?
Perfectly restrained, proved in as much as I never lost a load.
Goes to prove that these ‘‘Theory world’’ tossers who come up with these new rules, are actually, surprise surprise, talking directly out of their collective arse holes.
But why let fact get in the way of theory, especially when they can make a few quid out of fines.
Except that they haven’t actually banned the use of rope hooks to secure loads with rope only straps or chains.
Maybe you are right and I am wrong Carryfast, but I thought I read somewhere (at least a couple of years ago) that trucks were getting pulled (possibly only in Scotland) and getting nicked for securing loads with rope as opposed to straps, as it was deemed insecure by their new ruling.
Apologies if I got it wrong, maybe somebody will back me up…pleeeease.
Btw…deffo did not hear it in an rdc waiting room.
robroy:
Maybe you are right and I am wrong Carryfast, but I thought I read somewhere (at least a couple of years ago) that trucks were getting pulled (possibly only in Scotland) and getting nicked for securing loads with rope as opposed to straps, as it was deemed insecure by their new ruling.
Apologies if I got it wrong, maybe somebody will back me up…pleeeease.
Btw…deffo did not hear it in an rdc waiting room.
As far as I remember it was that there’s no load rating on the rope or rope hooks
robroy:
Maybe you are right and I am wrong Carryfast, but I thought I read somewhere (at least a couple of years ago) that trucks were getting pulled (possibly only in Scotland) and getting nicked for securing loads with rope as opposed to straps, as it was deemed insecure by their new ruling.
Apologies if I got it wrong, maybe somebody will back me up…pleeeease.
Btw…deffo did not hear it in an rdc waiting room.
I thought the same thing until I think from memory someone posted the relevant DVSA instructions elsewhere some time ago.Which seemed to go by the correct logic that ropes can be used to make more passes over the load so less strain needed on the hooks to create the same level of restraint than fewer straps applying more.
‘‘Drivers who have traditionally roped/sheeted can use rope hooks to secure a load to the vehicle if this system is sufficient to do so’’.
In which case as I said roping a curtainsider,like a tilt,is obviously better than just using the curtains etc to hold the load.‘If’ the manufacturers could be bothered to fit the things.
xichrisxi:
Rope and sheet■■?
D’thuks that■■?,it’s the 21st century bruv I’ve got a trailer with a roof & sides
Love how just because someone once had to tie a knot it makes him some sort of super hero,get over yourself pal…so you know how to do something that was specific to YOUR job…I’m all out of medals I’m afraid but if you pop to nobodycares.com I think they have some.
Part of the new test to get your hgv license the examiner wheels out a trolly with a selection of straps, chains and ropes on, then you’re randomly asked how to do a specific one, which might be how to to a dolly knot properly.
I was taught how to do the knot for my CPC, went home spent ages practicing, did my test, trolley didn’t even come out! Afterwards I said to my trainer about it, he said even when the trolley does come out, he’s never heard of anyone being asked to do a dolly knot, they ask show what you would use to secure a particular load, any load where a dolly is appropriate, a strap would also be appropriate, he just always teaches it because he reckons it’s useful. I move cherry pickers and I use a dolly sometimes to secure plastic boxes with 110v transformers in, could use a strap but I like to show off my knot after all the time I spent practicing it haha
raymundo:
Must have tied hundreds if not thousands back in the day on a flat doing multi drop which was then called ‘groupage’ out of Felixstowe ICD and other such like places. And for Steviebyday I had a 40 drum of the smell they add to north sea gas fall of the side when the ropes came loose.
Reading your comment on the barrels reminded me of my days on Humber McVeighs,taking 40ft Seatrain containers to Felixstowe,returning with either a 20 or 30ft container back to Manchester,and as a cash paid bonus on the QT,we used to collect 5or 6 of those drums that they mixed with the gas to make it smell,nice little earner back in late 70’s,ensured each drum was secured with a barrel hitch(for those drivers that know what a barrel hitch is that is)!!!
robroy:
Maybe you are right and I am wrong Carryfast, but I thought I read somewhere (at least a couple of years ago) that trucks were getting pulled (possibly only in Scotland) and getting nicked for securing loads with rope as opposed to straps, as it was deemed insecure by their new ruling.
Apologies if I got it wrong, maybe somebody will back me up…pleeeease.
Btw…deffo did not hear it in an rdc waiting room.
few boys from up Aberdeen way iirc getting done at beattock.
And as a PS to this, how many drivers would know how to get home with a blown trailer air bag, there are so many get out of jail and get you home tricks that would save you having to wait x amount of hours for the repair man to arrive, then the x amount of hours for said repair man to attempt to fix the problem, then he realises that he can’t do SFA, so it’s ANOTHER x amount of hours for recovery to arrive to "GET YOU HOME, or to the repair garage!!!
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Why would a trailer need an air bag? It’s not like there would be passengers in it that would need protection in case of an accident…
Carryfast:
On that note from the point of view of load security realistically a curtainsider and a tilt is a flat and both therefore should have rope hook provision for roping loads.
The Tilts I used must have been the exception then (they weren’t) as they nearly all had rope hooks
I do apologies Carryfast me old mucker, as usual I come wading in halfway through, and cant be arsed to go back 16 pages to check the minutia of what already been posted.
Carryfast:
Ironically the rot might have set in all the way back when the curtainsider was introduced.With the flawed idea that (1) the curtain and it’s straps were also there to secure the load so (2) we won’t seem to bother with putting rope hooks there for anyone who disagrees.Which is even more ironic now that DVSA rightly views curtains as weather protection not load restraint.
On that note from the point of view of load security realistically a curtainsider and a tilt is a flat and both therefore should have rope hook provision for roping loads.
This post gave me the wrong impression, that you were inferring that Tilts didn’t have rope hooks when My experience was the opposite. Though these being fitted to any trailer are redundant if not used by drivers, and on that you are spot on. As I have said before you talk a certain amount of wisdom, just that some times your dogma gets the better of you
puggy:
Why would a trailer need an air bag? It’s not like there would be passengers in it that would need protection in case of an accident…
This is the point where you have got me wondering if you are being serious or not. …still deciding.
He might be onto something here, Imagine how little Milk would be spilt with the fitment of air bags, would take some explaining with a load Eggs though
Why would a trailer need an air bag? It’s not like there would be passengers in it that would need protection in case of an accident…
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This is the point where you have got me wondering if you are being serious or not. …still deciding.
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He might be onto something here, Imagine how little Milk would be spilt with the fitment of air bags, would take some explaining with a load Eggs though
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mabey he just means that we could all still be running on leaf springs made in britain,and in a/f sizes.
dieseldog999:
Why would a trailer need an air bag? It’s not like there would be passengers in it that would need protection in case of an accident…
This is the point where you have got me wondering if you are being serious or not. …still deciding.
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He might be onto something here, Imagine how little Milk would be spilt with the fitment of air bags, would take some explaining with a load Eggs though
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mabey he just means that we could all still be running on leaf springs made in britain,and in a/f sizes.
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Never catch on, lump off steel exploding out the dash board during a crash, that’s going to give you one hell of a headache
