DOLLY KNOT

Theres some very good apps with animated instructions around. I used one to teach myself knots for when I go sailing

I cant tie a Dolly knot :open_mouth: , anymore as I’m deemed unsafe in the presence of rope :wink:

I done a bit of roping and sheeting, but to be honest I tried to avoid it, in favour of stripping Tilts :wink: :wink:

That was what you could do with a proper haulier (hide from any graft) who had many irons in many fires, find a type of work that suited you and avoid everything else to the best of your abilities. I’m not sure that there are that many proper general hauliers nowadays :wink:

tachograph:

the nodding donkey:
A hitch. It’s a hitch. A knot is found at end of a sheet, to stop it going through the block.

According to the dictionary a hitch is a form of knot :wink:

From The Free Dictionary
hitch - Any of various knots used to secure a line to another object such as a post or ring.

From Wikipedia
Hitch, a knot used to attach a rope to a fixed object, see list of hitch knots

Apart from that, as far as I can remember it’s always been known as a dolly knot in the UK, truckers hitch is yet another Americanism that’s found it’s way into the English language :frowning:

Nodding donkey’s hitch thing seemed a bit fishy. I’m sure I don’t tie the ends of my shoe laces onto ship blocks and that’s a knot.

eddie snax:
I done a bit of roping and sheeting, but to be honest I tried to avoid it, in favour of stripping Tilts :wink: :wink:

I was the opposite…

I’d avoid stripping tilts at all costs if I could. Memories of both doors falling onto the floor as I lifted the roof off an old SCAC trailer from Pompey docks. It was the tilt itself holding the doors on. Battering the ■■■■ thing to death to with a lump hammer, in an effort to get it all back together again. Trapping my fingers on more than one occasion. Having side boards drop on my leg/napper/shoulder.

Nope, don’t miss that at all.

yourhavingalarf:

eddie snax:
I done a bit of roping and sheeting, but to be honest I tried to avoid it, in favour of stripping Tilts :wink: :wink:

I was the opposite…

I’d avoid stripping tilts at all costs if I could. Memories of both doors falling onto the floor as I lifted the roof off an old SCAC trailer from Pompey docks. It was the tilt itself holding the doors on. Battering the ■■■■ thing to death to with a lump hammer, in an effort to get it all back together again. Trapping my fingers on more than one occasion. Having side boards drop on my leg/napper/shoulder.

Nope, don’t miss that at all.

Come on, it was the making of the Man you are today :smiley: you don’t have a blue badge I hope :open_mouth: , and yes I had plenty of dogs like that too :wink:

yourhavingalarf:

eddie snax:
I done a bit of roping and sheeting, but to be honest I tried to avoid it, in favour of stripping Tilts :wink: :wink:

I was the opposite…

I’d avoid stripping tilts at all costs if I could. Memories of both doors falling onto the floor as I lifted the roof off an old SCAC trailer from Pompey docks. It was the tilt itself holding the doors on. Battering the ■■■■ thing to death to with a lump hammer, in an effort to get it all back together again. Trapping my fingers on more than one occasion. Having side boards drop on my leg/napper/shoulder.

Nope, don’t miss that at all.

Give me a flat with 3 sheets and rope over a tilt any day.
I hope I never see another ■■■■ tilt as long as I live.

Are they still in use? You only ever see Euro Liners these days. (Haven’t been over the water for about 6 years btw)

robroy:

yourhavingalarf:

eddie snax:
I done a bit of roping and sheeting, but to be honest I tried to avoid it, in favour of stripping Tilts :wink: :wink:

I was the opposite…

I’d avoid stripping tilts at all costs if I could. Memories of both doors falling onto the floor as I lifted the roof off an old SCAC trailer from Pompey docks. It was the tilt itself holding the doors on. Battering the ■■■■ thing to death to with a lump hammer, in an effort to get it all back together again. Trapping my fingers on more than one occasion. Having side boards drop on my leg/napper/shoulder.

Nope, don’t miss that at all.

Give me a flat with 3 sheets and rope over a tilt any day.
I hope I never see another [zb] tilt as long as I live.

Are they still in use? You only ever see Euro Liners these days. (Haven’t been over the water for about 6 years btw)

Not really that common but we use them all the while.Many are old Gronewegan and VanHool tilts, mechanically theyre all fine but cosmetically they look a bit ■■■■■■ :grimacing:

switchlogic:
Theres some very good apps with animated instructions around. I used one to teach myself knots for when I go sailing

Used to splice wires fairly often but now they are deemed unsatisfactory by the authorities although used for yonks before, now have to be crimped, but can still splice 3 or 4 layered rope and even multiplat but usually get one of my minions to do it :slight_smile:

robroy:

yourhavingalarf:

eddie snax:
I done a bit of roping and sheeting, but to be honest I tried to avoid it, in favour of stripping Tilts :wink: :wink:

I was the opposite…

I’d avoid stripping tilts at all costs if I could. Memories of both doors falling onto the floor as I lifted the roof off an old SCAC trailer from Pompey docks. It was the tilt itself holding the doors on. Battering the ■■■■ thing to death to with a lump hammer, in an effort to get it all back together again. Trapping my fingers on more than one occasion. Having side boards drop on my leg/napper/shoulder.

Nope, don’t miss that at all.

Give me a flat with 3 sheets and rope over a tilt any day.
I hope I never see another [zb] tilt as long as I live.

Are they still in use? You only ever see Euro Liners these days. (Haven’t been over the water for about 6 years btw)

Presented with one now I’d probably say your having a laugh, and get back behind the wheel of my box jockey machine :smiley: and probably you would do the same if presented with a flat, but I do get nostalgic when very occasionally I see one, over here from some far flung land to the east, to that point I’ve seen a few on the back of Latvian and Lithuanian trucks but very rare having said that :wink:

Load lock bars…

Shut doors.

Turn on noisy engine at the front.

Do a days driving.

That’s quite enough for a days work.

when you get to my age yadder yadder yadder

WOW! 5 pages about a f*****g knot.

Tony Saprano:
WOW! 5 pages about a f*****g knot.

Make that 6.

yourhavingalarf:
Load lock bars…

Shut doors.

Turn on noisy engine at the front.

Do a days driving.

That’s quite enough for a days work.

when you get to my age yadder yadder yadder

Now that’s proper work driver :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

I often say that Container logistics is home for the chronically bone idle, and I’m quite happy as a box jockey these days :smiley: :smiley:

Once learned, never forgotten, I stood and watched a driver in 1975, he spent an hour teaching me. When I moved here I hadn’t tied a dolly since 1988, first company I for I had to secure a large septic tank on a trailer and tied them without even thinking.

Pat Hasler:
Once learned, never forgotten, I stood and watched a driver in 1975, he spent an hour teaching me. When I moved here I hadn’t tied a dolly since 1988, first company I for I had to secure a large septic tank on a trailer and tied them without even thinking.

This is the thing, once learnt never forgotten, you never know when you may be given a flat to load with an awkward load that wont go in a curtainsider. Roping and sheeting needs to be taught, the same as stripping and building up a tilt.

apparantly you will never need to tie one in todays world of modern trucking…all you need is a cpl of rachet straps…though of you ever had to go and lift a flat sheeted load,( assuming you could sheet it),then you would only need to carry about 140 of them to cover and secure it to the same extent as a cpl coils of rope…you live and learn…theres modernisation for you. :slight_smile:

AndrewG:
This is the thing, once learnt never forgotten, you never know when you may be given a flat to load with an awkward load that wont go in a curtainsider. Roping and sheeting needs to be taught, the same as stripping and building up a tilt.

Ironically the rot might have set in all the way back when the curtainsider was introduced.With the flawed idea that (1) the curtain and it’s straps were also there to secure the load so (2) we won’t seem to bother with putting rope hooks there for anyone who disagrees.Which is even more ironic now that DVSA rightly views curtains as weather protection not load restraint. :open_mouth: :confused:

On that note from the point of view of load security realistically a curtainsider and a tilt is a flat and both therefore should have rope hook provision for roping loads. :bulb:

Carryfast:

AndrewG:
This is the thing, once learnt never forgotten, you never know when you may be given a flat to load with an awkward load that wont go in a curtainsider. Roping and sheeting needs to be taught, the same as stripping and building up a tilt.

Ironically the rot might have set in all the way back when the curtainsider was introduced.With the flawed idea that (1) the curtain and it’s straps were also there to secure the load so (2) we won’t seem to bother with putting rope hooks there for anyone who disagrees.Which is even more ironic now that DVSA rightly views curtains as weather protection not load restraint. :open_mouth: :confused:

On that note from the point of view of load security realistically a curtainsider and a tilt is a flat and both therefore should have rope hook provision for roping loads. :bulb:

The Tilts I used must have been the exception then (they weren’t) as they nearly all had rope hooks, and tensioner coils to wrap a strap around in place of a Ratchet, and often heavy duty securing shackles embedded in the floor, a ■■■■■ to lift up after a year or 2 of being run over by forklifts, luckily the times you needed them were generally when loading some kind of machinery and those guys would normally have means of a more substantial method than a crow bar and lump hammer to achieve the required result :wink:

Although as with every thing nowadays, the H&S bull has gone over the top. When Boalloy launched the Tuatliner(as opposed to curtainsider) it marketed it on the fact that unlike curtainsiders previously, a tautliners curtains were load rated having straps embedded in the curtain affixed to a load bearing rail, the fact that many drivers took this to extreme and believed they would loads such as steel, is more down to driver education :wink:

PS when Boalloy used CF trailers as their standard rolling bed, other than from specific customer requirments, the CF rolling decks did have rope hooks, again other than specific customer requirments, its more that drivers didn’t use them, and now we have a situation where everything needs securing independently when in reality some loads don’t :unamused:

PPS Tautliner is a Boalloy product name for a certain model of curtainsider, Bit like Vacuum cleaners being called Hoovers :wink:

Roping and sheeting ! how i remember those days, i still get splits in my fingers when its cold and wet…had to do split dollies where hooks were missing ( never a concern when you reported a trailer for having them missing ) Loved it when rolling up the sheets, and other drivers would drive over them…instead of waiting…struggling to get them on the cat walk, and the roof of the cab where necessary, didnt always need them, but a clear flat trailer needed for container work…the good old days eh !..but like riding a bicycle…you never forget.

eddie snax:

Carryfast:
On that note from the point of view of load security realistically a curtainsider and a tilt is a flat and both therefore should have rope hook provision for roping loads. :bulb:

The Tilts I used must have been the exception then (they weren’t) as they nearly all had rope hooks

:wink:

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