cypry0:
Not a problem, have a look at the ,common travel agreement.
That will be the common travel agreement, which is subject to change once Brexit is finalised.
It will also be an agreement that will differ from the rest of EU travel, which will include arrangements for cross border travel as well as ROI - England travel.
Will it?
Or is that speculation?
The major flaw in Brexit negotiations was the Irish border was it not ? The Irish on both sides felt hard done by with the possibilities and neither side want the same border issues that will face U.K. into EU.
As ROI is in the EU a different agreement will need to be made.
Grumpy Dad:
I think it will be interesting to watch Franglais, as I wrote in another thread, the immigration process is to be based on a key skill points system which will be open to any nationality to apply through, and as drivers we are not classed as skilled professionals, after several years of failed promises and backing by certain bodies.
But an EU company that has a depot in the U.K. may be allowed to transfer staff from one depot to another ie Dixon’s initially employ a driver at the Dublin HQ and then out base him for a period of several weeks at the Rugby depot, officially he’s employed in ROI and isn’t employed or living in the U.K. so will be under the radar.
Under the pre brexit negotiations the majority of EU countries did say there was to be no restrictions on U.K. nationals applying for jobs across the EU.
But it’s early days and anything planned is no doubt subject to change before it’s set in stone.
I really think that you are mixing what has been provisionally agreed, with any possible future agreement, and are assuming many things. Remember that although a decent trade deal is in the best agreement of both the UK and the EU, the form it ends up in (assuming a deal is made!) will likely defy common-sense in at least a few aspects.
toby1234abc:
Most Irish firms have depots in the UK , Dixons have a depot and do trailer swaps at Crewe truckstop , Nolans have depots in England and Wales .
I am not sure how you get a tax number for working in Ireland , maybe go to the tax office .Switchlogic would advise you on that .
Work for an Irish firm? Easy, since we’re all in… oh…
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Edit. Yes, working for a UK depot on a UK truck, is still easy, working for an Eire company direct is changing
This will be interesting as it unravels for any non U.K. haulage company trading within the borders of the U.K.
Will it be ok for Dixon’s ( for example ) to continue trading in the U.K. and employ non U.K. nationals without having to conform to foreign labour and immigration rules ?
The likes of Virginia would be OK as they have a UK registered office with UK reg vehicles.
Don’t know about the rest.
Dixon’s do have a depot in Belgium for those that are interested.
toby1234abc:
Most Irish firms have depots in the UK , Dixons have a depot and do trailer swaps at Crewe truckstop , Nolans have depots in England and Wales .
I am not sure how you get a tax number for working in Ireland , maybe go to the tax office .Switchlogic would advise you on that .
Work for an Irish firm? Easy, since we’re all in… oh…
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Edit. Yes, working for a UK depot on a UK truck, is still easy, working for an Eire company direct is changing
This will be interesting as it unravels for any non U.K. haulage company trading within the borders of the U.K.
Will it be ok for Dixon’s ( for example ) to continue trading in the U.K. and employ non U.K. nationals without having to conform to foreign labour and immigration rules ?
The likes of Virginia would be OK as they have a UK registered office with UK reg vehicles.
Don’t know about the rest.
Dixon’s do have a depot in Belgium for those that are interested.
But, that would surely be a UK driver, working for an EU company? And although that has been ok, will it be in the future?
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Edit. I’m talking generally. I don’t know whether this particular company employs has Irish employees who happen to be in Belgium, or has a Belgian subsidiary company, or whatever.
the common travel area between UK and IRE has nothing to do with the EU. its been around since before the EU existed and its staying in effect whatever happens after brexit
brits can live and work in ireland and vice versa even if no deal
Grumpy Dad:
I think it will be interesting to watch Franglais, as I wrote in another thread, the immigration process is to be based on a key skill points system which will be open to any nationality to apply through, and as drivers we are not classed as skilled professionals, after several years of failed promises and backing by certain bodies.
But an EU company that has a depot in the U.K. may be allowed to transfer staff from one depot to another ie Dixon’s initially employ a driver at the Dublin HQ and then out base him for a period of several weeks at the Rugby depot, officially he’s employed in ROI and isn’t employed or living in the U.K. so will be under the radar.
Under the pre brexit negotiations the majority of EU countries did say there was to be no restrictions on U.K. nationals applying for jobs across the EU.
But it’s early days and anything planned is no doubt subject to change before it’s set in stone.
In time they will again let anyone and anything into the uk to drive trucks they don’t have a choice, there will be a special disposition for truck drivers, the business cannot cope without the influx of cheap labour. So Brexit won’t make a slight bit of a difference to the haulage business, it has to be kept at the lower end of the barrel
chrisdalott:
the common travel area between UK and IRE has nothing to do with the EU. its been around since before the EU existed and its staying in effect whatever happens after brexit
brits can live and work in ireland and vice versa even if no deal
I would agree with Chris, the movement of people between the UK and Ireland can continue regardless of the Brexit situation.
For anyone wanting to work for an Irish haulier I would suggest contacting the firm of your choice and see if they have a vacancy. As for the issue of taxation, they all have had drivers from the UK before and I’m sure will be able to offer advice.
I’m not familiar with working in another country and paying tax in your home country, would that be an option?
chrisdalott:
the common travel area between UK and IRE has nothing to do with the EU. its been around since before the EU existed and its staying in effect whatever happens after brexit
brits can live and work in ireland and vice versa even if no deal
I would agree with Chris, the movement of people between the UK and Ireland can continue regardless of the Brexit situation.
For anyone wanting to work for an Irish haulier I would suggest contacting the firm of your choice and see if they have a vacancy. As for the issue of taxation, they all have had drivers from the UK before and I’m sure will be able to offer advice.
I’m not familiar with working in another country and paying tax in your home country, would that be an option?
Plenty of people in ROI/NI working cross border paying tax in one country and living in the other I’ve been doing it for the last 9 years with no issues. The Irish hauliers who have UK depots are registered through the UK and these depots are effectively UK companies in the same way as other multinationals in other business work
And the UK Eire Common Travel Area dfa.ie/brexit/getting-irela … avel-area/
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Note it says the UK gov signed up to maintain that agreement.
What yesterday’s signature is worth tomorrow is anyone’s guess now.
Don’t see the relevence of using the Dutch example when talking about Ireland the situation in Ireland is different in many ways
The OP wasn’t specifically about Irish work, but about Euro work in general. Cross border working was discussed so I put up links to both the general case ( the Gov site chose Holland as a typical case) and the unique case of the Eire/UK.
OwenMoney:
Will you Irish drivers be using the Dublin- Zeebrugge ferry ?
Which ones that? Brittany Ferries are in the process /or have set up a run from Rosslare to Cherbourg?
I was reading in the Irish times of a Dublin - Zeebrugge or Rotterdam ferry - To avoid the landbridge of the UK post Brexit - Seems a bit of a long way round - Rosselare to Cherbourg and then on is probably cheaper.
Brittany ferries are asking the French Gov for handouts due to a collapse in revenue.
OwenMoney:
Will you Irish drivers be using the Dublin- Zeebrugge ferry ?
Which ones that? Brittany Ferries are in the process /or have set up a run from Rosslare to Cherbourg?
I was reading in the Irish times of a Dublin - Zeebrugge or Rotterdam ferry - To avoid the landbridge of the UK post Brexit - Seems a bit of a long way round - Rosselare to Cherbourg and then on is probably cheaper.
Brittany ferries are asking the French Gov for handouts due to a collapse in revenue.
Cobelfret run a direct service from Zeebrugge to Dublin only takes 12 drivers not sure of the total sailing time but I know you get a 45 hr break on it, will probably result in more drivers turning in Belgium
Don’t see the relevence of using the Dutch example when talking about Ireland the situation in Ireland is different in many ways
The OP wasn’t specifically about Irish work, but about Euro work in general. Cross border working was discussed so I put up links to both the general case ( the Gov site chose Holland as a typical case) and the unique case of the Eire/UK.
To be honest Brexit or not it is unlikely that a continental firm will take you on when there is the endless supply of EE drivers as well as the non EU countries to the east that are providing drivers a plenty. The likes of Post Kogeko and Daily Fresh employ a number of UK based drivers but I believe this is through a UK based agency, in around 2013 the Dutch amended their law about it being legal to pay foreigners less hence the flagging out of many lorries to EE countries and obviously the wages to match. If you want to see Europe and money isn’t an issue the Waberer’s is an option, if money is an issue then the likes of Dixon or Carna would be a good option
PARIS (Reuters) - The French government will reimburse 30 million euros (£27 million) in payroll costs to French ferry companies hit by the coronavirus crisis and Brexit, Prime Minister Jean Castex told parliament. Shipping firms have suffered from lower traffic to and from Britain due to quarantine measures and uncertainty around Britain’s exit from the European union.
“We have decided to reimburse all of Brittany Ferries’ payroll costs for the 2021 financial year. This represents a commitment of around 15 million euros,” Castex said, adding that an equivalent amount would be offered to other ferry companies.
Don’t see the relevence of using the Dutch example when talking about Ireland the situation in Ireland is different in many ways
The OP wasn’t specifically about Irish work, but about Euro work in general. Cross border working was discussed so I put up links to both the general case ( the Gov site chose Holland as a typical case) and the unique case of the Eire/UK.
To be honest Brexit or not it is unlikely that a continental firm will take you on when there is the endless supply of EE drivers as well as the non EU countries to the east that are providing drivers a plenty. The likes of Post Kogeko and Daily Fresh employ a number of UK based drivers but I believe this is through a UK based agency, in around 2013 the Dutch amended their law about it being legal to pay foreigners less hence the flagging out of many lorries to EE countries and obviously the wages to match. If you want to see Europe and money isn’t an issue the Waberer’s is an option, if money is an issue then the likes of Dixon or Carna would be a good option
Are you saying that in Holland a person’s pay in any particular job is dependent upon their country of origin?
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UK and French companies use out-based drivers. Maybe not huge numbers, but any Brexit, deal or no-deal, may have effects on this. And I doubt it will be to make things easier.
Dutch companies have also done so in the past, but I don’t know how many do so currently.
To be honest Brexit or not it is unlikely that a continental firm will take you on when there is the endless supply of EE drivers as well as the non EU countries to the east that are providing drivers a plenty. The likes of Post Kogeko and Daily Fresh employ a number of UK based drivers but I believe this is through a UK based agency, in around 2013 the Dutch amended their law about it being legal to pay foreigners less hence the flagging out of many lorries to EE countries and obviously the wages to match. If you want to see Europe and money isn’t an issue the Waberer’s is an option, if money is an issue then the likes of Dixon or Carna would be a good option
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Are you saying that in Holland a person’s pay in any particular job is dependent upon their country of origin?
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UK and French companies use out-based drivers. Maybe not huge numbers, but any Brexit, deal or no-deal, may have effects on this. And I doubt it will be to make things easier.
Dutch companies have also done so in the past, but I don’t know how many do so currently.
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It used to be, I think this was changed in about 2013 I remember talking to a Pole around then who was about to lose his job due to this change as he would become to expensive. Around this time was you saw a lot more flagging out of Dutch lorries which gets round paying Dutch wages. I gave an example of two Dutch firms that use UK drivers but as I said they are in the main through an agency based in the UK
Mazzer2:
It used to be, I think this was changed in about 2013 I remember talking to a Pole around then who was about to lose his job due to this change as he would become to expensive. Around this time was you saw a lot more flagging out of Dutch lorries which gets round paying Dutch wages. I gave an example of two Dutch firms that use UK drivers but as I said they are in the main through an agency based in the UK
So, a Dutch company has labour supplied by a UK company?
Watch this space…!