If I work for 2 hrs then have a 15 min break, Do I then need another break in 4 hours or 3.45 hrs?
What I’m asking is if wtd includes breaks. I know poa are not included.
valks1:
If I work for 2 hrs then have a 15 min break, Do I then need another break in 4 hours or 3.45 hrs?
What I’m asking is if wtd includes breaks. I know poa are not included.
I assume you’re talking about the 6 hour rule, if you work for 2 hours then have a 15 minute break you can work for another 6 hours before you need another 15 minute break.
However you should have at-least 30 minutes total break if the shift is no longer than 9 hours and 45 minutes total break if the shift is more than 9 hours working time.
WTD breaks can be taken in segments of 15 minutes and where appropriate WTD breaks also count as driving breaks and vice versa.
Thanks.
If I am going to be working for more then 9 hrs.
I have a break of 15 min after 2 hrs when do I need another 30 min break in?
7 hrs or 6.45 hrs?
My question is do you include the break time or not ?
valks1:
Thanks.
If I am going to be working for more then 9 hrs.
I have a break of 15 min after 2 hrs when do I need another 30 min break in?
7 hrs or 6.45 hrs?
My question is do you include the break time or not ?
If you’re working time is more than 9 hours you could have a 15 minute break after 2 hours then another 15 minute break 6 hours after the end of the first break, then another 15 minute break some time before you finished work.
For the 6 hour rule it’s only working time that counts not the duration of the break, so no you do not include the break.
valks1:
Thanks.
If I am going to be working for more then 9 hrs.
I have a break of 15 min after 2 hrs when do I need another 30 min break in?
7 hrs or 6.45 hrs?
My question is do you include the break time or not ?
RTD break for 15 mins at 1000 til 1015 means next 15 min break for RTD must be started by 1615
Sorry Roger but you have lost me.
Can anyone advise in basic terms.
valks1:
Sorry Roger but you have lost me.
Can anyone advise in basic terms.
The 6 hour rule says that you can work for 6 hours then must have a break, breaks do not count towards working time.
Example for RTD only and does not address any breaks for driving time … for the purpose of this example it is assumed that only 4 hours driving was done in this shift with no POA
work 0600 to 1000
break 1000 to 1015
work 1015 to 1615
break 1615 to 1630
work 1630 to 2000
break 2000 to 2015
work 2015 to 2100
Your working time is reset at the END of your break time not at the start. I think this is what you were trying to ask.
So if I have a 30 min break the six hours mark would actually be at 6.30 hrs.
valks1:
So if I have a 30 min break the six hours mark would actually be at 6.30 hrs.
No, if you have a break the 6 hours working time starts at the end of the break.
If you have a 15 minute break that ends at 10:15 you must start another 15 minute break no later than 16:15, that’s 6 hours from the end of the last break.
It’s a maximum of 6 hours working time between breaks.
valks1:
So if I have a 30 min break the six hours mark would actually be at 6.30 hrs.
If that 30 min break was at 1000 then yes, the next break would be needed at 1630 which is 6.5 hours after 1000
Rog - so what you are saying is you will never hit the 9 he rule of 45 min break because at 6 hrs it gets reset. But it says you can split your break time of 30 and then 15. But according to you after the 30 min break you would start a new count of 6 hrs. Confused . com.
After working 5.30 hrs I have a 15 min break how long after this break can I work until I need another break under the 6 hr rule.
I think it is 30 mins. I would then need a 30 min break.
valks1:
Rog - so what you are saying is you will never hit the 9 he rule of 45 min break because at 6 hrs it gets reset. But it says you can split your break time of 30 and then 15. But according to you after the 30 min break you would start a new count of 6 hrs. Confused . com.After working 5.30 hrs I have a 15 min break how long after this break can I work until I need another break under the 6 hr rule.
I think it is 30 mins. I would then need a 30 min break.
I think you are getting mixed up between RTD and tacho regs because only tacho driving break regs mention 15 +30 for a split driving time break
Keeping only with RTD breaks and ignoring driving time breaks then there is no rule which states that 30 mins MUST be taken by the 9 hour working point when the working time in the shift is more than 9 hours
The rules are simple if you take them one at at time …
No mobile worker shall work (driving time/other work) more than 6 hours at any point in a shift without taking a break
Breaks must be at least 15 mins long to count as a break for RTD
Then we go onto how much total break must be taken in a shift …
If the total working time in a shift is between 6 and 9 hours then the total amount of breaks must add up to at least 30 mins
OR - not both
If the total working time in a shift is over 9 hours then the total amount of breaks must add up to at least 45 mins
TAKE EACH RULE IN TURN and see if has been complied with
There are two principles involved:
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You shouldn’t work more than six hours without a break of at least 15 mins. Every time you take such a break, the six-hour clock is reset to zero.
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If the total of your working time (ignoring breaks) is between 6 and nine hours, you’ll need at least 30 mins of break(s) over the course of your shift. if it’s more than 9 hours, you’ll need at least 45 mins of break(s).
valks1:
Rog - so what you are saying is you will never hit the 9 he rule of 45 min break because at 6 hrs it gets reset. But it says you can split your break time of 30 and then 15. But according to you after the 30 min break you would start a new count of 6 hrs. Confused . com.After working 5.30 hrs I have a 15 min break how long after this break can I work until I need another break under the 6 hr rule.
I think it is 30 mins. I would then need a 30 min break.
I don’t mean any offence mate but your question has already been answered several times in this thread, are you even reading the replies ? 
valks1:
After working 5.30 hrs I have a 15 min break how long after this break can I work until I need another break under the 6 hr rule.
6 hours, or before the end of the shift whichever comes first. That 15 minute break resets the 6 hour counter to zero so you can go another 6 hours before another working time break would be required.
This has already been answered several times in this thread.
Coffeeholic:
valks1:
After working 5.30 hrs I have a 15 min break how long after this break can I work until I need another break under the 6 hr rule.6 hours, or before the end of the shift whichever comes first. That 15 minute break resets the 6 hour counter to zero so you can go another 6 hours before another working time break would be required.
This has already been answered several times in this thread.
Your wrong coffee . Because as in your example you would work 12hrs with 30 mins …
nick2008:
Coffeeholic:
valks1:
After working 5.30 hrs I have a 15 min break how long after this break can I work until I need another break under the 6 hr rule.6 hours, or before the end of the shift whichever comes first. That 15 minute break resets the 6 hour counter to zero so you can go another 6 hours before another working time break would be required.
This has already been answered several times in this thread.
Your wrong coffee . Because as in your example you would work 12hrs with 30 mins …
As long as you have a total of 45 minutes break interrupting the total working time there’s nothing illegal about working 12 hours with only 30 minutes of break, obviously that’s as long as you haven’t done more than 4½ hours driving.
tachograph:
nick2008:
Coffeeholic:
valks1:
After working 5.30 hrs I have a 15 min break how long after this break can I work until I need another break under the 6 hr rule.6 hours, or before the end of the shift whichever comes first. That 15 minute break resets the 6 hour counter to zero so you can go another 6 hours before another working time break would be required.
This has already been answered several times in this thread.
Your wrong coffee . Because as in your example you would work 12hrs with 30 mins …
As long as you have a total of 45 minutes break interrupting the total working time there’s nothing illegal about working 12 hours with only 30 minutes of break, obviously that’s as long as you haven’t done more than 4½ hours driving.
Just to be clear I was talking about coffee saying 15 min re-sets the 6 hr rule which is incorrect 