we get the info off our cards downloaded every mon when we get to work
but what happens if you do some moonlighting for someone else on a sunday and they want to download all the info for the sunday at the end of the shift,how would that work , would all the info for your normal weeks work and the sunday be still on your card after your sunday jobs downloaded ,or by downloading on a sunday does that mean there would be nothing on it when your normal job go to download on a mon.
its a job ive been looking at but want to try it on agency 1st to see if i like it but the downloadings bothering me a bit. ta
Downloading the info doesn’t remove it from the card. The cards wouldn’t be much use if you could erase the data from them simply by downloading it would they?
OK, I may get this wrong cos I am not a techno type person but it is my understanding that the card fills up with data and when full it starts to re-write over the start again.
I am sure that some-one will correct me
ady1:
but what happens if you do some moonlighting for someone else on a sunday
if both download the info, both will know how many hrs you have driven in the previous 28 days.
if your primary employer has a clause in your employment contract forbidding you from working for someone else, theyll find out and youll be in the brown stuff.
I suspect your secretly hiding your sunday driving from your primary employer, so you could try using an analogue tacho for your sunday driving, or manually entering the info on the digi printout, the same as you would with a faulty digicard. or just be honest and hold your hands up to both employers
Does the actually Digital tachograph have an internal memory? If I was to get stopped by VOSA can they insert their own card and find out what the night shift and weekend drivers have been up to in my truck?
what is moonlighting
i’m sure you mean other business interests
as long as they dont conflict with your main occupation just get on with it
mikermhh:
Does the actually Digital tachograph have an internal memory? If I was to get stopped by VOSA can they insert their own card and find out what the night shift and weekend drivers have been up to in my truck?
Yes, it stores all the data from whoever has been driving it.
peirre:
if both download the info, both will know how many hrs you have driven in the previous 28 days.
It could be longer than 28 days. The card will hold at least 230 records of activities so if the type of work you do doesn’t involve many changes of mode it will hold more than 28 days. It will have to hold a minimum of 29 days when the rules change on 01/01/2008.
peirre:
or manually entering the info on the digi printout,
If he gets stopped driving the digi equipped truck and isn’t using his card he would also be in the brown stuff. 
The Regulation governing what tachos are and how they will be used; 3821/85 (now much modified) defines downloading as;
Copying, together with the digital signature, information held on a driver card or Vehicle Unit (VU) mass memory. Downloading cannot alter the original information stored nor delete it.
Both VU’s and cards store data. On average the VU will store 365 days of activity and the driver card 28 days. When the memory is full up, any new records overwrite those that were made first. The words ‘average day’ are important because they define how the VU and card treat a days’ record. The VU regards an ‘average day’ as 256 activity changes. An activity change is when you use the mode button eg change from ‘work’ to ‘break.’ An activity change is also when the vehicle changes from being stationary (during a break) to moving (you set off after the break). The driver card regards an ‘average day’ as being 96 activity changes. The difference is because the card records for a single driver, whilst the VU may have to deal with multiple drivers in a day.
If a driver does less than 96 activity changes in a ‘working day,’ quite likely if you are on trunking or general haulage, then you will have more than 28 days stored on your card. I’ve already seen driver cards with 60 + ‘working days’ stored on them. If there are less than 256 activity changes in a ‘working day’ on a vehicle then you will get more than 365 ‘average days’ stored in the VU. If you do more activity changes in a ‘working day’ (256 or 96) then the VU or card will store less than 365 or 28 ‘average days.’ You would not be prosecuted in this instance as it is the limit of the recording equipment that has been reached and you cannot control that.
Any employer, provided they have the correct kit can download a driver card and view all the records on there. They have a legal responsibility to check drivers hours and ensure that you comply with them. Whilst they can see the record of which vehicles you have driven they do not know who owns the vehicle, unless it is one of theirs.
When VOSA (or Police) insert their control card they are able to view, print or download the contents of the VU mass memory or the driver card, if one is inserted in the VU at the time. VOSA also have card readers that attach to laptops so they can read a card without needing to insert it in a VU, for example you are driving an analogue vehicle on the day of the check. Expect periods where a vehicle is driven without a card in it to be ‘investigated.’
geebee45:
The driver card regards an ‘average day’ as being 96 activity changes.
So the stuff I read about 230 records of activities was ■■■■■■■■ then. Good to know and another site dumped from my bookmarks. 
mikermhh:
Does the actually Digital tachograph have an internal memory? If I was to get stopped by VOSA can they insert their own card and find out what the night shift and weekend drivers have been up to in my truck?
Yes.
Actually Neil I got it wrong to - hangs head in shame. The actual nimber of activities that the driver card records for an ‘average day’ is 93.
At least I was closer than the other site 
I went back and reread the page, turns out the 230 records of activities was referring to company cards. 
I haven’t been to sleep for 29 hours so that’s my excuse.
my head hurts!!!
All this tacho talk i down load mine every 15 - 20 days (mmmmmmmmm how to remember that.) 1st time tomoro are they going to ask about the 4 overspeed warnings i accumilated in the last 18 days driving or not does anybody know out bout them. 
not 100% sure but if the truck exceeds the governed speed for over a minute then it records an overspeed. have a few on mine also.
as the limit is still 60 mph on motorways i dont think they can do anything, thats as long as you did 60 or less.
yet to here of a vosa prosecution for overspeed under 60.
now company policy may vary but i dont think they could much but you never know.
Still haven’t used my card since I “bought” it in August but I thought the whole idea of only ever being allowed to hold one card at a time was that you can’t hide other driving from your employer or VOSA.
As regards overspeeds I guess it depends on what the employer does about them. Regardless of whether or not you’ve brokem any laws if you’re going to get a bollocking every time it’s got to be worth avoiding them. If not, let it roll up to 60.
Whats the law regarding printouts?
Do you have to carry printouts of previous days work?
What happens if you havnt got them?
The way i see it is, all the info is on the card so why carry printouts.
pugwash:
Whats the law regarding printouts?
Do you have to carry printouts of previous days work?
What happens if you havnt got them?
The way i see it is, all the info is on the card so why carry printouts.
You have to carry printouts if you have made manual records on them (e.g. to record working time when your card wasn’t in the truck, or to correct an error you made). If you didn’t make any manual records, you don’t have to carry the printout.
Coffeeholic:
mikermhh:
Does the actually Digital tachograph have an internal memory? If I was to get stopped by VOSA can they insert their own card and find out what the night shift and weekend drivers have been up to in my truck?Yes, it stores all the data from whoever has been driving it.
for 12 months 
catclan:
my head hurts!!!
All this tacho talk i down load mine every 15 - 20 days (mmmmmmmmm how to remember that.) 1st time tomoro are they going to ask about the 4 overspeed warnings i accumilated in the last 18 days driving or not does anybody know out bout them.
overspeed warnings are when you go over the limiter speed