Debt recovery plus are sending in letter regarding some men not having paid for parking, do these need paid?
ConnorV8:
Debt recovery plus are sending in letter regarding some men not having paid for parking, do these need paid?
The registered keeper can end up in county court if they don’t. They’re invoices and like any invoice if they’re valid they need to be paid or the issuer can take civil action to recover the debt and since the change in parking law a few years ago which saw wheel clamping being made illegal, if the driver isn’t identified then the parking company can go after the registered keeper of the vehicle.
Can this be passed onto the driver who has since left employment. Drivers are paid expenses which include parking so no reason for not paying it
ConnorV8:
Can this be passed onto the driver who has since left employment. Drivers are paid expenses which include parking so no reason for not paying it
Is this “expenses” their night out money, or do you pay parking on top when they provide a receipt?
No its paid on top when i am given a receipt
Debt Recovery Plus (the enforcement division of CP Plus) are not currently known to be litigious.
Had one of these “invoices”, they make threats just short of death and violence!!!. They will sell the debt on to other firms, they will make an offer of a “discount” if you pay quickly and warn you the fees will increase dramatically if you don’t pay. Just ignored them all, did not reply, did not ring up, the letters stopped after about 12 months.
tommie1shunt:
Had one of these “invoices”, they make threats just short of death and violence!!!. They will sell the debt on to other firms, they will make an offer of a “discount” if you pay quickly and warn you the fees will increase dramatically if you don’t pay. Just ignored them all, did not reply, did not ring up, the letters stopped after about 12 months.
Not good advice as things have changed now and a lot of parking co.s will follow these invoices up. Employers are duty bound to give out drivers details especially if a parking area is council owned otherwise they become liable themselves for payment and i doubt theres many firms out there willing to pay drivers fines for them more so if already paid night out money…
Debt collection agencies have no powers whatsoever.They only pretend to have powers.
They cannot take yer car, telly or the daffodils off your front lawn. If they’re actially saying you owe them the money not the origional parking firm then, they’ve bought the alleged debt and in effect, have paid the ‘fine’ for you. Write them a letter of thanks and them tell 'em to eff off.
Bailiffs do. But bailiffs won’t get involved until there’s been a court ruling against you.
parkingcowboys.co.uk/debt-collectors/
Hope this helps.
tommie1shunt:
Had one of these “invoices”, they make threats just short of death and violence!!!. They will sell the debt on to other firms, they will make an offer of a “discount” if you pay quickly and warn you the fees will increase dramatically if you don’t pay. Just ignored them all, did not reply, did not ring up, the letters stopped after about 12 months.
I was informed by the CAB just last month that the debt collectors have only 12 months to collect for parking fines.
No one need pay any written-off debt or unsecured loan whatsoever.
It’s upto the collectors to try and “peacefully” collect the money - but they have no entitlement to take goods and cash away - as that requires official court-appointed Bailiffs which some any-old-sod “Debt Recovery” outfit is NOT. They even try to pretend they ARE court appointed (illegal) or demand access to your home (illegal) or try and re-possess goods from wherever they think they can serve their unofficial warrants (Illegal, and illegal again)
If you don’t pay - the “parking firm” will put a flag on the unpaid file to clamp that vehicle next time they come across it - but that’s all they can do.
The only debts that ever need paying - are ones secured upon high-value possessions like expensive cars or property. 
Harry Monk:
Debt Recovery Plus (the enforcement division of CP Plus) are not currently known to be litigious.
So it’s really “Debt Recovery Minus” then. 
I have lots of correspondence from D.C.P. I ignore them.I wrote to them once asking them to arrange a court date and reminding them that they would have to prove loss and as they had lost nothing they would be entitled to nothing.Have a look on www.pepipoo.co.uk,other than that give them nothing.
If you don’t answer the correspondence - they have little chance of proving any loss at all. 
OP - If you name the driver, that relinquishes you of the “Keeper Liability” under the Protections of Freedoms Act.
Let them sort it out.
Winseer:
If you don’t pay - the “parking firm” will put a flag on the unpaid file to clamp that vehicle next time they come across it - but that’s all they can do.
^^^BILLY BULL ■■■■ ALERT!!!^^^
Clamping on private land / by a private company is ILLEGAL. Look up Protection of Freedoms Act
Anyone claiming that “You don’t have to pay it” “It’s Unenforceable” and “They can’t charge you more than the amount they “Lost”.” are wrong too. Look up Beavis vs Parking Eye LTD - as heard in the SUPREME COURT. That set case law stating that “Parking Charges” to deter abuse or whatever crap they call is are not “Unreasonable”.
Enjoy reading.
SEDriver:
Winseer:
If you don’t pay - the “parking firm” will put a flag on the unpaid file to clamp that vehicle next time they come across it - but that’s all they can do.^^^BILLY BULL [zb] ALERT!!!^^^
Clamping on private land / by a private company is ILLEGAL. Look up Protection of Freedoms Act
Anyone claiming that “You don’t have to pay it” “It’s Unenforceable” and “They can’t charge you more than the amount they “Lost”.” are wrong too. Look up Beavis vs Parking Eye LTD - as heard in the SUPREME COURT. That set case law stating that “Parking Charges” to deter abuse or whatever crap they call is are not “Unreasonable”.
Enjoy reading.
Yes, you are correct, however Debt Recovery Plus do not at the present time take court action over unpaid penalty notices
Harry Monk:
SEDriver:
Winseer:
If you don’t pay - the “parking firm” will put a flag on the unpaid file to clamp that vehicle next time they come across it - but that’s all they can do.^^^BILLY BULL [zb] ALERT!!!^^^
Clamping on private land / by a private company is ILLEGAL. Look up Protection of Freedoms Act
Anyone claiming that “You don’t have to pay it” “It’s Unenforceable” and “They can’t charge you more than the amount they “Lost”.” are wrong too. Look up Beavis vs Parking Eye LTD - as heard in the SUPREME COURT. That set case law stating that “Parking Charges” to deter abuse or whatever crap they call is are not “Unreasonable”.
Enjoy reading.
Yes, you are correct, however Debt Recovery Plus do not at the present time take court action over unpaid penalty notices
“at the present time”
Once upon a time Parking Eye were not litigious, now look at them.
Naming the driver would see this kicked into the long grass, especially as the OP said the driver does not work for him and he has no way of reclaiming the money. Also, if there was a legitimate reason for appeal, the driver would have the chance to appeal.
SEDriver:
Harry Monk:
SEDriver:
Winseer:
If you don’t pay - the “parking firm” will put a flag on the unpaid file to clamp that vehicle next time they come across it - but that’s all they can do.^^^BILLY BULL [zb] ALERT!!!^^^
Clamping on private land / by a private company is ILLEGAL. Look up Protection of Freedoms Act
Anyone claiming that “You don’t have to pay it” “It’s Unenforceable” and “They can’t charge you more than the amount they “Lost”.” are wrong too. Look up Beavis vs Parking Eye LTD - as heard in the SUPREME COURT. That set case law stating that “Parking Charges” to deter abuse or whatever crap they call is are not “Unreasonable”.
Enjoy reading.
Yes, you are correct, however Debt Recovery Plus do not at the present time take court action over unpaid penalty notices
“at the present time”
Once upon a time Parking Eye were not litigious, now look at them.
Naming the driver would see this kicked into the long grass, especially as the OP said the driver does not work for him and he has no way of reclaiming the money. Also, if there was a legitimate reason for appeal, the driver would have the chance to appeal.
+1… if it’s someone else that should pay the ‘fine’ then I would be happy to pass on their details… end of the day, I don’t want the hassle of stretching this sort of thing out if it’s not me at fault.
SEDriver:
Winseer:
If you don’t pay - the “parking firm” will put a flag on the unpaid file to clamp that vehicle next time they come across it - but that’s all they can do.^^^BILLY BULL [zb] ALERT!!!^^^
Clamping on private land / by a private company is ILLEGAL. Look up Protection of Freedoms Act
Anyone claiming that “You don’t have to pay it” “It’s Unenforceable” and “They can’t charge you more than the amount they “Lost”.” are wrong too. Look up Beavis vs Parking Eye LTD - as heard in the SUPREME COURT. That set case law stating that “Parking Charges” to deter abuse or whatever crap they call is are not “Unreasonable”.
Enjoy reading.
This won’t be done on ‘private land’ though - it will be done by a contractor who operates on land, say owned by a MSA which they are already contracted to do. So… You get say, a fine for over-staying 2 hours at one MSA, and then get clamped in your car when parking up at another one months later. Yes. This does happen. What doesn’t happen is a parking fine appears on your doormat, which if ignored - results in you getting a CCJ against your name.
Jesus Wept - I’ve kicked “debts” amounting to well into five figures into touch over the years - I’m telling you there’s bugger all they can do about it when the only “loss” that they attempt to claim from the punter - is one they cannot then prove, because it’s made up of “fi fo thumb fees” which don’t stand up in court. The court will enforce the reasonable loss in question, which might be a fiver. No one takes anyone to court to get awarded a fiver - so you only have to dodge the debt collectors who think they’ll go for the “Spite” award: Claiming an amount that will lose them overall big time.
It saves a LOT of money for punters - if the punter doesn’t hand over pound one - and lets the other side pay all the legal fees, only to either lose the case, or get awarded a pittance even if they “win”.
At the other end of the scale, there have been two fines I DID pay - because It would have been easier to prove “breach of contract” against me had it gone to court. They were not trying to claim “financial loss” - but were accusing me of “breach of contract” which I could not duly wriggle out of. So I paid up. (overstaying a pre-paid parking ticket)
Most civil court cases rely upon the person being “sued” being ignorant of knowing what exact burden proof is being placed on the plaintiff.
As for all this “supreme court” stuff - I have two letters pertaining to be from them right now - just internet mailing scams. Anyone can call themselves “the supreme court” and claim you must pay “this fine by return of post”. Really! I don’t throw these in the dustbin - I keep them as evidence should these jokers every try and trip me up with a real court letter at some future date.
The scam works by:
(1) You send someone an invoice for something they have not contracted to have, but cannot prove they have not contracted to have it.
(2) When the person ignores the invoice, you then send them another letter saying that “we will now recover this outstanding debt in a county court”. You continue to ignore it.
(3) They actually bother to put it to the county court for real (unlikely, as this costs them money!) - at which point you need to start taking it a bit more seriously. The scammer relies on the fact that you’ll ignore all correspondence, including the genuine court letter when it comes… If you don’t turn up to defend yourself - the case is automatically found in the plaintiff’s favour, and you’ll then owe that money, and a court-appointed bailiff could even be appointed to enforce it. - Not good! The trick is recognizing the bull court letters from the genuine ones. The trick for the scammer - is recognizing that a person both has the money to pay, the urge of that victim to “not want any trouble” or be “troubled by the threat to their credit rating” or some other tosh, and of course - is ignorant of being able to defend themselves should a court appearance actually be required. THIS latter stage is unlikely ever to be reached - because it costs the scammer a lot of money to do, and 99% of the time they won’t be spending that money. BUT that doesn’t stop them from sending you bogus correspondence saying things like “The supreme court has accepted full payment from Steve Cammers Inc to pursue a claim vs defending ” implying that they have “paid this bond to fully initiating proceedings against you”. It’s just another lie of course, to try and scare you into paying up for something you don’t owe.
The very best defence against being scammed though - isn’t “being smart” - but rather “being too skint to pay them off even if you wanted to”! That kinda gives crystal clarity when you come to defend yourself…
Been a Tourist in America lately? - Got a letter from an apparent “Foreign Office” official stating that you have an “Unpaid Jaywalking fine” from NYC which you visited six months ago?
Get emails pertaining to be from Paypal informing you of “suspicious activity on your account”?
…It’s a lot easier to know you’re not guilty in the slightest - if you’re so hard up you’ve never had a trip to NYC or ever opened a paypal account or whatever…
These type of scams are aimed at “generic citizens” however who ARE assumed to have done thus in their past at some point. The better-off you are then - the easier it is to be scammed by the whole thing being “perfectly believable”. The made up debt in question then becomes enforceable the moment the scam victim contacts in to apparently acknowledge it. You never give these people any kind of contact of course… Not even out of curiosity!