Changes to the CPC coming 2024/2025
quote from the government page
Driver CPC is not being scrapped, but there will be changes to make it more flexible for people who only drive in the UK. Subject to Parliamentary approval, these changes will be introduced in 2024 and 2025.
I do have a tendency to ignore information that isnt relevant to what i am doing but i dont remember europe being mentioned in any of the courses i have done
Have you never done a course on the hours regs then?
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a couple of times. however the rules arenât any different in france, germany or romania to what they are here (as far as i know). What would be useful are the laws of the road in say france. for example they have different speed limits on the motorway if its built up or if its raining
reading the article they are going to have two different cpcâs international one made up of 35 hours with courses 7 hours long. or a national one of 35 hours made up with classes of 3.5 hours
so in other words you can spend 5 days doing training courses and get an international one or 10 days and get a national one that isnt valid in the eu.
I wonder if companies will say that they only have to pay you for half a day or give you a run after the course.
Silk purse and sowâs ear.
They seem keen to get former drivers to return.
One 7 hr course to get back on the road (so long as not away for more than 2 yrs) and do the other necessary courses as and when over 12months. I can see that 35 hrs training to return to a job you have quit is a hurdle, so that might encourage some.
Nothing at all to do with standards, just to get bums on seats.
The splitting of courses in half?
Might help in some big companies with in house trainers, when it could be done before or after a short shift, but to get economically viable numbers doing the same small segments, without repetition might be a challenge otherwise.
I would think that there might be some economic advantage in doing 3 courses in 2 days, but can see many being âdisengagedâ with the course!
Sadly true.
Although there are some good trainers out there, the scheme does nowt to get the idiots off the roads.
We are told that a licence does not make you a driver, but enables you to carry on learning the trade, the UK system ticks boxes rather than do any good in that respect.
Aint done any Euro for a while,⌠but nice to know they are going to make the European drivers as âProfessionally Competentâ as they have successfully and most evidently, made the UK only drivers into, on our roads since this worthwhile qualification started.
Joke btw. 
Moi speaky non Englaisey, moi non compehendo, 35 hrs dross and me proffes competenty.
I have yet to be convinced from the industry how by not paying attention, not understanding the spoken language, in the past being able to sit the same module multiple times and with no exam at the end, even multi guess, makes an individual professionally competent.
DVSA are rubbish at getting messages across clearly.
Weâve always been able to do 3.5 hour âhalf-modulesâ but you needed to start the second half within 24 hours of the first half finishing, ie the next day.
In the future the gap between the two half modules will be increased (they havenât said how long the gap will be). So that is less of a new development and more a modification of an existing option.
Anyone and everyone can choose to do the current â35 hoursâ option, but doing ten 3.5-hour modules will take up more time than five 7-hour options, not just travelling, but all the other faff that goes with it, (many classroom courses can, and do, knock off a bit of time from the day, so youâd actually do less than 35 hours, you just need the right kind of trainer 
). Any kind of half-course tends to work out more like three-quarters when compared to a full course.
Those who are sure they wonât need to drive abroad could opt for the domestic or ânationalâ DCPC, which will be one or more pass or fail tests, the duration and costs of which are still to be announced, but it wonât be more than a few hours out of one day. I expect these tests will be done at a DVSA testing facility just like your theory and hazard perception, I doubt very much theyâll be letting your average training provider run them.
So the above post confirms what a further mockery the DCPC is and from the knowledge himself. By getting the right kind of trainer, nudge nudge wink wink, the 35 hours is often reduced by sitting a classroom course. Professional competency, donât make me laugh.
Try similar in Germany or France and see whether you get a card !
The content will be along the same lines, it is just that the law wonât be changing in Europe regarding CPC, so the length of the courses has to stay the same.
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I think this is just adding further complication to the whole process. Potentially you could get courses lasting 4, 5.5, 6 hours etc, which arenât factors of 35, so drivers could end up an hour short or whatever.
The trainers trying to make a living out of it would now have to offer courses to different groups while trying to make the numbers add up to make a living.
Reducing cost and time burdens
Completing 35 hours of training costs in the region of ÂŁ250 to ÂŁ500 for 35 hours of training. By comparison, a new periodic test for renewing a DCPC is expected to last 1 to 1 and a half hours and cost in the region of ÂŁ40 to ÂŁ70 for each attempt.
Costs may be different following implementation.
So, if on National rather than Euro work it will likely be cost and time effective to have 3, 4, or 5 goes at the muti guess paper.
But if you are really bad, pay the extra to do the longer coures and away you go.
Just box ticking.
The industry has always been a bit sketchy, and is getting no better.
My heart bleeds for the poor trainers.
FrangersâŚthe whole job is a plethora of box ticking with no substance.
It keeps many in the industry in their (non) jobs, who think they are so important, and sure as hell on more money than the drivers.
I know what you mean, but under the current system they are a necessary evil (for want of a better expression).
âEvilâ ? I aint sure about, but the word ânecessaryâ is grossly open to opinion.
They are a group who have jumped on a legislation (that in real terms has been proven worthless with no substance ) and made an industry/business/living out of it.
Tbf good on them for exploiting it, but letâs keep things real, the whole farce and cluster â â â â of supposedlly improving âprofessional competenceâ in truck drivers simply has not worked.
The evidence is painfully obvious out there on a daily basis.
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These arguments have been had before I suppose.
I have been in a situation of paying for courses myself and doing them in my own time but also latterly having them paid for and being paid for the time in attendance.
In the latter situation if I wasnât in the courses I would be out doing my normal duties. Sitting there for the 7 hours ainât actually that bad and I generally go home not feeling like I have done much work, because I havenât.
So it kind of leads me on to the fact that it is drivers having to pay for the courses and having to do them in their own time that is the issue.
I personally donât have enough information to say whether it has improved road safety, these are things the boffins decide. I do appreciate that everybody looks at it from their own perspective, but obviously the rules need to apply to everyone and there canât be arbitrary exceptions made.
It isnât going to work like that, the choices will still be either 7 hours or 3.5 hours, thereâs no scope for continual variation of course length