Hi anyone has experience with MX11 10.8L DAF engine? Pros and cons…thanks
Don’t just don’t, we had a few and we’re on full weight work, they won’t pull you out of bed and no they arn’t economical because you end up thrashing the living daylights out of it to make it move.
The other issue is cab vibration (CF cabs at least), after driving the thing its such a relief to switch the engine off to cut out the noise and vibration which goes right through you.
Cab switchgear all over the shop, though you’d get used to that.
Arsetronic box defaults to eco mode which is frustrating as hell, but can be programmed out by a competent dealer.
I remember you being interested in MAN’s, nothing suitable? when going past MAN’s main site at Swindon note their parking area which used to be rammed with tractors is now nearly empty, though there could be umpteen reasons for that i did wonder if they’ve been flogging off the previous model to make way for new gen cabs.
thanks Judian, yes MAN is what i would like the most, budget is limited tho. And been told to stay away from tgx 440, most for sale are 440.
With DAF i am looking mainly how reliable small engine is. Everything else i can live with.
if you need a budget truck go for VOLVO 450 or Renault T.
patrokloscy:
if you need a budget truck go for VOLVO 450 or Renault T.
there is more factors i need to consider, was about to view one T range in our town but sold within 24hrs. Their prices went up too, as people realised they are not usual Renault ■■■■■■■■■■ bit of it 
Juddian:
Don’t just don’t, we had a few and we’re on full weight work, they won’t pull you out of bed and no they arn’t economical because you end up thrashing the living daylights out of it to make it move.
The other issue is cab vibration (CF cabs at least), after driving the thing its such a relief to switch the engine off to cut out the noise and vibration which goes right through you.
Cab switchgear all over the shop, though you’d get used to that.
Arsetronic box defaults to eco mode which is frustrating as hell, but can be programmed out by a competent dealer.I remember you being interested in MAN’s, nothing suitable? when going past MAN’s main site at Swindon note their parking area which used to be rammed with tractors is now nearly empty, though there could be umpteen reasons for that i did wonder if they’ve been flogging off the previous model to make way for new gen cabs.
Shocking Juddian just shocking …Mx11 is one of the quietest smoothest engines i have seen …If a model 17 then you can put the switches where you prefer them ,and the MY17 comes with Traxton …Daf dealers can’t change the programming of the gearbox .The software can be updated if there is an update ,but the programming is set in stone …We don’t get any complaints about the MX11 …Making sure the eco mode is switched off is a priority unless you prefer the fuel saving .which equals less oomph
Norb, I spoke today with seller, they have several of them and at least once a week AdBlue malfunction message on one of them. Do you know if that can be erased easily or only main dealer can sort this?
Mentioned trucks are XFs 2016.
norb:
Juddian:
.Shocking Juddian just shocking …Mx11 is one of the quietest smoothest engines i have seen …If a model 17 then you can put the switches where you prefer them ,and the MY17 comes with Traxton …Daf dealers can’t change the programming of the gearbox .The software can be updated if there is an update ,but the programming is set in stone …We don’t get any complaints about the MX11 …Making sure the eco mode is switched off is a priority unless you prefer the fuel saving .which equals less oomph
With all due respect Norb, its one thing admiring an engine by itself as a mechanic, its another thing when you’ve been in the saddle for several hours and you come to a halt and finally turn the thing off and you realise just how much vibration has just vanished, it’s not noise so much as vibration or maybe the combination of noise and vibration, but you don’t realise just how mad or bad it is till you feel the relief of switching the bloody thing off.
Daf CF is in my humble one of the worst cabs for this, i don’t know why but engine vibration is transmitted throughout the whole vehicle, the whole (ridiculously large these days) catwalk will be shaking providing yet more racket.
You just don’t find this with other makes, the engines of whcih could well be noiser from outside but are better insulated and don’t transmit this vibration to the passenger cell, you could drive 4 hours and quite happily leave the engine ticking over all day if you have any specialist equipment that needs to run, but when i’ve had to use a CF any excuse to switch the engine off for some peace quiet and relief.
Don’t get me wrong, one of my favourite wagons was a 460 CF with the manual 16 speed box, because it was a good rapid reliable economical machine a driver could make progress with, not frustrating as the newer auto stuff is, the 440 from my point of view has all the drawbacks without the go factor, no i haven’t driven a 440 with Traxon box, but have used Traxons in other chassis and to be quite honest it’s not a great deal different to Arsetronic to me, in manual i found if anything Arsetronic to be the better because it doesn’t try to interfere annoyingly as Traxon does now and again at junctions.
Being issued with a Daf CF auto, particularly a 440 would see me out of the job as soon as i found something else.
Odd that the gearbox can’t be reprogrammed on Daf, it can be done on other makes, the problem with eco on Daf’s is that it defaults back to eco from manual or normal after a couple of mins at most, if you could stick it manual and it stayed there that would be half the battle.
The quietest lorry engine i’ve ever heard from outside was when i walked past a Hino grab loader on fast idle operating the grab, uncannily quiet smooth engine from a then 5 years old tipper.
Juddian I almost thought you are explaining how i feel driving Actros sht…
I drove many CFs and XFs and euro6 is indeed very quite outside and inside too. Only reason why i am considering Daf is its smooth ride especially XF even with cab on springs.
LL79:
Juddian I almost thought you are explaining how i feel driving Actros sht…
I drove many CFs and XFs and euro6 is indeed very quite outside and inside too. Only reason why i am considering Daf is its smooth ride especially XF even with cab on springs.
The XF. Ride quality is a lot better than a MAN TGX
New pastures
I quite often at the moment drive a 68 plate 450 CF and I like it, the problems I found is the power isn’t up to much and warning lights come on every now and again.After a 400hp Actros its heaven 
The 480 XF is heaven but no CF in my opinion is good unless you running at max weight all the time.
elsa Lad:
I quite often at the moment drive a 68 plate 450 CF and I like it, the problems I found is the power isn’t up to much and warning lights come on every now and again.After a 400hp Actros its heaven
480 mines a 530 
blue estate:
elsa Lad:
I quite often at the moment drive a 68 plate 450 CF and I like it, the problems I found is the power isn’t up to much and warning lights come on every now and again.After a 400hp Actros its heaven480
No one likes a show off 
Juddian:
Odd that the gearbox can’t be reprogrammed on Daf, it can be done on other makes, the problem with eco on Daf’s is that it defaults back to eco from manual or normal after a couple of mins at most, if you could stick it manual and it stayed there that would be half the battle.
I wish it was a couple of minutes! More like 10 seconds! They can be programmed because Turners’ XFs stay in manual mode if you press the button on the end of the stalk as does the one I drive for a subbie. The eco-roll on mine combined with the hill hold is great 99% of the time, but annoys me on the stretch of the M1 southbound leading up to J26 as there are sections which have really shallow dips and cause it to drop into eco-roll for a few seconds for no point. I stab the stalk and set it to M to stop it doing it until I’m past the junction.
On a related DAF note, there are 2 settings in the menus about trailer de-coupling where you can set them on/off. I presume it has something to do with the eco-roll (which is a separate setting), but I’ve tried them on and off and haven’t noticed any difference at all. Anyone know what they’re supposed to do? 
LL79:
Norb, I spoke today with seller, they have several of them and at least once a week AdBlue malfunction message on one of them. Do you know if that can be erased easily or only main dealer can sort this?
Mentioned trucks are XFs 2016.
You can never just erase a fault unless it is like your home pc when it has a brain ■■■■ …Fault finding is basically down to the person who is working on the vehicle and has an understanding of how the system works…The dealer if their staff can be assed and there is a lot of guys who can be ,have a basic yes no flow chart for fault finding,though it is bt no means perfect it is 95% successful i would say …ad blue hasbeen out long enough where it isnt rocket science
Juddian:
norb:
Juddian:
.Shocking Juddian just shocking …Mx11 is one of the quietest smoothest engines i have seen …If a model 17 then you can put the switches where you prefer them ,and the MY17 comes with Traxton …Daf dealers can’t change the programming of the gearbox .The software can be updated if there is an update ,but the programming is set in stone …We don’t get any complaints about the MX11 …Making sure the eco mode is switched off is a priority unless you prefer the fuel saving .which equals less oomph
With all due respect Norb, its one thing admiring an engine by itself as a mechanic, its another thing when you’ve been in the saddle for several hours and you come to a halt and finally turn the thing off and you realise just how much vibration has just vanished, it’s not noise so much as vibration or maybe the combination of noise and vibration, but you don’t realise just how mad or bad it is till you feel the relief of switching the bloody thing off.
Daf CF is in my humble one of the worst cabs for this, i don’t know why but engine vibration is transmitted throughout the whole vehicle, the whole (ridiculously large these days) catwalk will be shaking providing yet more racket.
You just don’t find this with other makes, the engines of whcih could well be noiser from outside but are better insulated and don’t transmit this vibration to the passenger cell, you could drive 4 hours and quite happily leave the engine ticking over all day if you have any specialist equipment that needs to run, but when i’ve had to use a CF any excuse to switch the engine off for some peace quiet and relief.Don’t get me wrong, one of my favourite wagons was a 460 CF with the manual 16 speed box, because it was a good rapid reliable economical machine a driver could make progress with, not frustrating as the newer auto stuff is, the 440 from my point of view has all the drawbacks without the go factor, no i haven’t driven a 440 with Traxon box, but have used Traxons in other chassis and to be quite honest it’s not a great deal different to Arsetronic to me, in manual i found if anything Arsetronic to be the better because it doesn’t try to interfere annoyingly as Traxon does now and again at junctions.
Being issued with a Daf CF auto, particularly a 440 would see me out of the job as soon as i found something else.
Odd that the gearbox can’t be reprogrammed on Daf, it can be done on other makes, the problem with eco on Daf’s is that it defaults back to eco from manual or normal after a couple of mins at most, if you could stick it manual and it stayed there that would be half the battle.
The quietest lorry engine i’ve ever heard from outside was when i walked past a Hino grab loader on fast idle operating the grab, uncannily quiet smooth engine from a then 5 years old tipper.
The eco can be switched off with DAVIE ,So there is 1 plus lol…Yep i agree i am not sat in them all day …The worst engines i find and this is just on short drives collecting or delivering are MERCS sound like tractors and if a manual you need 2 feet to press the clutch ,absolutely brutal trucks …and if they require parts MERC cant identify the part ie a shock absorber from their parts catalogue ,nope they need the number off the shocker…And booking 1 in for a repair .we will call you in 2weeks when we can fit it in …I think they are upset a customer brought his mercs to us lol
DCPCFML:
Juddian:
Odd that the gearbox can’t be reprogrammed on Daf, it can be done on other makes, the problem with eco on Daf’s is that it defaults back to eco from manual or normal after a couple of mins at most, if you could stick it manual and it stayed there that would be half the battle.I wish it was a couple of minutes! More like 10 seconds! They can be programmed because Turners’ XFs stay in manual mode if you press the button on the end of the stalk as does the one I drive for a subbie. The eco-roll on mine combined with the hill hold is great 99% of the time, but annoys me on the stretch of the M1 southbound leading up to J26 as there are sections which have really shallow dips and cause it to drop into eco-roll for a few seconds for no point. I stab the stalk and set it to M to stop it doing it until I’m past the junction.
On a related DAF note, there are 2 settings in the menus about trailer de-coupling where you can set them on/off. I presume it has something to do with the eco-roll (which is a separate setting), but I’ve tried them on and off and haven’t noticed any difference at all. Anyone know what they’re supposed to do?
DAF dealers unless they get a specific software from DAF can not programme the gearbox they can update the software if there is new software but they cant change the change parameters …There has been software recalls that have been issued to change the strategy
Our 65 plate XFs came with the, then new, Auto/Eco-Off/Man settings. If Man was selected and a gear chosen for manoeuvring simply backing off the throttle would revert the system back to auto.
Absolutely awful.
The dealer changed it so it stayed in Man if that is what the driver selected. Much better.
The newer boxes are meant to be better at guessing the correct gear, but I personally haven’t used them much yet.
The old boxes would ■■■■■■ too high a gear when going slow on inclines, then change back down, loose all speed, and the truck would halt again.
Road work was mostly ok, but on country lanes etc useless. As the demo driver correctly said “auto is a compromise, so use manual” The problem was (out the factory) it wouldn’t let you stay on manual.
We have a 440 manual eight wheeler and it goes ok-but,so many electrical faults ,
Mine is only a 400 and it’s totally gutless,but at least it’s manual,and I love the cab.plenty of room for a day cab.
Our spare lorry is a 410 on an eleven plate with the 13 litre engine-I love driving it.feels like a proper lorry and goes like a train but it looks rough lol