Carryfast:
It won’t work because cyclists refuse to cooperate with anything that doesn’t fit in with their idea that they should be able to use the roads as they wish regardless.As in this case where,amongst other issues,the cyclist ignored the laid out cycle way and then blamed the truck driver for the results.
How, with all respect, was the cyclist ignoring the laid out cycle way in that video? As I see it, he was in the cycle lane throughout. Which was the problem, in my view … you’ll have noticed that he undertook the truck at the same time as some scooter riders were overtaking it, and the driver can only concentrate on so many things. This underlines my point that cyclists really need some training: the safest place for that cyclist to be was either with the scooters on the outside of the traffic, or if he didn’t feel confident (ie fast) enough for that, hanging back behind the truck. The problem with cycle lanes at the edge of the road is that they encourage cyclists to believe that they’re safe at all times, which they aren’t.
Suggest you check out the video again the cycleway actually diverted off the road before the lights and carried on as shared cycleway/pedestrian provision from there past the bust stop.The signs showing the continuation of that offroad cycle way are at 1.30 and 1.31
Carryfast:
Suggest you check out the video again the cycleway actually diverted off the road before the lights and carried on as shared cycleway/pedestrian provision from there past the bust stop.The signs showing the continuation of that offroad cycle way are at 1.30 and 1.31
Indeed, I’ve just edited my original response. Did you also spot that the pavement cycle lane had ended by the time the truck driver knocked the cyclist off?
Carryfast:
It won’t work because cyclists refuse to cooperate with anything that doesn’t fit in with their idea that they should be able to use the roads as they wish regardless.As in this case where,amongst other issues,the cyclist ignored the laid out cycle way and then blamed the truck driver for the results.
That is quality, oh look a cycle lane ….I don’t need to use that because I’m fantastic, look at me go, undertaking vehicles Willy nilly, ooooo I fell off and have ripped my Lycra, YouTube here I come.
The safest place for him to be was on the right hand side of the traffic, with the other two wheeled traffic which was overtaking. Undertaking traffic is a dangerous game for cyclists, and I’d prefer to see them trained not to do it. Although in fairness to the cyclist, he was well past the tipper by the time he was knocked off, and the tipper driver really should have seen him. If he did see him, as Carryfast suggests, and still knocked him off, then that’s just unforgiveable: someone like that isn’t fit to push a pram, never mind drive a lorry.
As I’ve said I’m happy to burst your bubble and the even more that of the idiot cyclist.At least he had no excuse for selectively missing the solid lines marking the cycleway diverting him off the road and the circular cycleway signs beyond that.While the tipper never knocked the ■■■■■■ off at all because if he had the cyclist would have been under the wheels.There was no contact at all the cyclist steered into the bus stop and threw the bicycle on the ground.
Carryfast:
Suggest you check out the video again the cycleway actually diverted off the road before the lights and carried on as shared cycleway/pedestrian provision from there past the bust stop.The signs showing the continuation of that offroad cycle way are at 1.30 and 1.31
Indeed, I’ve just edited my original response. Did you also spot that the pavement cycle lane had ended by the time the truck driver knocked the cyclist off?
The place where the cyclist and truck actually met was within the scope of the cycleway the cyclist shouldn’t have been on the road at that point at all.
Carryfast:
Suggest you check out the video again the cycleway actually diverted off the road before the lights and carried on as shared cycleway/pedestrian provision from there past the bust stop.The signs showing the continuation of that offroad cycle way are at 1.30 and 1.31
Indeed, I’ve just edited my original response. Did you also spot that the pavement cycle lane had ended by the time the truck driver knocked the cyclist off?
The place where the cyclist and truck actually met was within the scope of the cycleway the cyclist shouldn’t have been on the road at that point at all.
Oh, FFS. Look, however much you dislike it, cyclists don’t have to use cycle lanes. Using shared space at any speed other than just above walking pace is dangerous. If the cyclist chooses to use the road - and I won’t disagree that he should really not have undertaken all that traffic at that speed; I winced when I saw him going for it with no apparent appreciation of the dangerous position he’d put himself in - then other road users should allow for him, just as they would allow for any other road user. He didn’t fall off deliberately: cyclists don’t do that because it tends to hurt.
Carryfast:
Suggest you check out the video again the cycleway actually diverted off the road before the lights and carried on as shared cycleway/pedestrian provision from there past the bust stop.The signs showing the continuation of that offroad cycle way are at 1.30 and 1.31
Indeed, I’ve just edited my original response. Did you also spot that the pavement cycle lane had ended by the time the truck driver knocked the cyclist off?
The place where the cyclist and truck actually met was within the scope of the cycleway the cyclist shouldn’t have been on the road at that point at all.
Oh, FFS. Look, however much you dislike it, cyclists don’t have to use cycle lanes. Using shared space at any speed other than just above walking pace is dangerous. If the cyclist chooses to use the road - and I won’t disagree that he should really not have undertaken all that traffic at that speed; I winced when I saw him going for it with no apparent appreciation of the dangerous position he’d put himself in - then other road users should allow for him, just as they would allow for any other road user. He didn;t fall off deliberately: cyclists don;t do that because it tends to hurt.
Cyclists don’t have to use cycle lanes although the solid lines denoting the cycle lane and circular sign means/should mean it’s compulsory.However it’s no good then moaning when it all goes pear shaped at a recognised hazard situation whereby the idiots have been diverted off the road for their own safety if a driver has made the understandable mistake of taking it for granted that no one would be suicidal enough to selectively take advantage of and then ignore the cycleway.Ironically in this case no surprise that it’s been taken advantage of in a dangerous place where it’s unsafe while ignoring it in a place where it does contribute to road safety.
I recently had a brown trousers moment when I met one of the tossers on a recumbent cycle.He was riding at high speed in city traffic ,how any one would see him was down to luck.
kemaro:
At each junction where possible paint a large red checkered area on the ground just bigger than a truck length , then introduce a ruling to cyclists that they do not enter the boxed area whilst a truck iis in it , they stay back & wait for the truck to perform its maneuver , & then when its safe then can move forward to use the junction , fit cameras to cover the junction & if a cyclists enters it whilst a truck or other large vehicle is in it they can be stopped by the bike police who will be informed by the control room & fined
At risk of getting back on topic I have to say what a great idea this is.
A red/death zone at each junction would be perfect. Yes we can’t be sure everyone takes notice of it but you can only lead a horse to water (or in this case a cyclists to a longer life expectancy) you can’t force it to drink.
Some will ignore it some will carry on regardless, but its all about saving that one life and that one novice or nutty cyclist who thinks hang on I really shouldn’t be in the red checkered box. They can either hang back or more likely scoot forward a bit out of the danger/death zone.
kemaro:
At each junction where possible paint a large red checkered area on the ground just bigger than a truck length , then introduce a ruling to cyclists that they do not enter the boxed area whilst a truck iis in it , they stay back & wait for the truck to perform its maneuver , & then when its safe then can move forward to use the junction , fit cameras to cover the junction & if a cyclists enters it whilst a truck or other large vehicle is in it they can be stopped by the bike police who will be informed by the control room & fined
At risk of getting back on topic I have to say what a great idea this is.
A red/death zone at each junction would be perfect. Yes we can’t be sure everyone takes notice of it but you can only lead a horse to water (or in this case a cyclists to a longer life expectancy) you can’t force it to drink.
Some will ignore it some will carry on regardless, but its all about saving that one life and that one novice or nutty cyclist who thinks hang on I really shouldn’t be in the red checkered box. They can either hang back or more likely scoot forward a bit out of the danger/death zone.
Not only that its quite cost effective.
Thanks for getting back on topic , I think something along these lines could work , maybe I will forward my idea to Boris …
Carryfast:
And you’d be tha typical type of not straight-up bright copper whoz ■■■ drops some lyrics ta playas ta ride a funky-■■■ bicycle on tha road where they can be,and often are,run over by trucks,when there be a a perfectly acceptable alternatizzle off tha road,and whoz ■■■ can’t KNOW tha advantage of tha ‘flexibility’ which log books provided up in straight-up addin ta road safety by allowin tha driver ta take a rest when tha guvnor wanted dat driver ta be driving/working.
While if you’d have read n’ straight-up understood what tha ■■■■ I holla’d ( would done been ) tha level of tha bs so called ‘offence’ ‘if’ there’d done been a cold-■■■ lil copper or ministry playa all up in tha time who’d done been wack enough ta straight-up look fo’ n’ prosecute drivers fo’ havin a funky-■■■ break while tha guvnor wanted tha driver ta be driving/working.While even up in tha case of tachos tha so called ‘offence’ would obviously only be a mode infringement not a minutes ‘offence’ assumin all legal break requirements was also complied with.Which,as a underpaid council worker all up in tha time,I can assure you they were, so peek-a-boo, clear tha way, I be comin’ thru fo’sho. .
Can you give be 6hrs until I win one of these on eBay so I can decipher your post.
Using the power of gizoogle.net I have rendered Carryfasts post into more understandable language, well, as understandable as the original I suppose
This morning on BBC news they were reporting that London police are having a crackdown on the behaviour of all road users at junctions, with police stationed at various points at rush hour. They reported the biggest problem so far was car drivers encroaching into the cycle only box.
The police just being a biased group run by their political masters.The biggest problem with the bs two stop line cycle box is that the extra stop line has been added as an afterthought but the lights placing and amount remain the same as before.So you’re approaching and cross the ‘motor vehicle’ stop line then the lights change while you’re in the cycle box and before you’ve crossed the ‘actual’ stop line but which the PC tossers have now made into a so called cycle only stop line.Which just puts drivers of all vehicles into a catch 22 situation of either stopping in the cycle box or carry on across the junction against an amber or red light.
kemaro:
At each junction where possible paint a large red checkered area on the ground just bigger than a truck length , then introduce a ruling to cyclists that they do not enter the boxed area whilst a truck iis in it , they stay back & wait for the truck to perform its maneuver , & then when its safe then can move forward to use the junction , fit cameras to cover the junction & if a cyclists enters it whilst a truck or other large vehicle is in it they can be stopped by the bike police who will be informed by the control room & fined
At risk of getting back on topic I have to say what a great idea this is.
A red/death zone at each junction would be perfect. Yes we can’t be sure everyone takes notice of it but you can only lead a horse to water (or in this case a cyclists to a longer life expectancy) you can’t force it to drink.
Some will ignore it some will carry on regardless, but its all about saving that one life and that one novice or nutty cyclist who thinks hang on I really shouldn’t be in the red checkered box. They can either hang back or more likely scoot forward a bit out of the danger/death zone.
Not only that its quite cost effective.
The type of cyclist who’ll be bothered about a red painted ‘death zone’ would be on the pavement crossing the junction as a pedestrian would anyway.The use the roads at all costs lot won’t give a zb in just the same way that they ignore cycle way provision.
The police just being a biased group run by their political masters.The biggest problem with the bs two stop line cycle box is that the extra stop line has been added as an afterthought but the lights placing and amount remain the same as before.So you’re approaching and cross the ‘motor vehicle’ stop line then the lights change while you’re in the cycle box and before you’ve crossed the ‘actual’ stop line but which the PC tossers have now made into a so called cycle only stop line.Which just puts drivers of all vehicles into a catch 22 situation of either stopping in the cycle box or carry on across the junction against an amber or red light.
It’s not called a “cycle only stop line” it is called an “advanced stop line” (advanced meaning “brought forward”). The law is quite clear that in normal circumstances motor vehicles MUST stop at the first line if the signals are already red, but that if you have already passed the first line when the signals change, you MUST stop at the second line. Highway Code rule 178 sets it out in black and white.
… no, Roymondo, that’s wrong. It’s actually a conspiracy on behalf of the lizard - headed incredibly powerful use the roads at all costs bs cycling lobby. Obviously.
, if all cyclist were forced to ride Penny Farthings we’d be able to see their heads when they pull up alongside the cab 
