Carryfast:
That didn’t exactly answer the question.
Without any waffle asks your question again?
eg is the sky blue?
ie a straight forward question?
Carryfast:
It won’t work because cyclists refuse to cooperate with anything that doesn’t fit in with their idea that they should be able to use the roads as they wish regardless.As in this case where,amongst other issues,the cyclist ignored the laid out cycle way and then blamed the truck driver for the results.
That is quality, oh look a cycle lane ….I don’t need to use that because I’m fantastic, look at me go, undertaking vehicles Willy nilly, ooooo I fell off and have ripped my Lycra, YouTube here I come.
Yes technically the cyclist should have take to the cycle lane, but that doesn’t absolve the half wit in the tipper who, as a vocational driver, should be experienced and competent enough to make allowances for other idiots, frustrating though they might be.
I wasn’t defending the Tipper driver!
But just watched it again, Lycra fool rode up the inside of the tipper, into a blind spot. Quite likely the driver didn’t even see him.
Don’t know if this has been posted before but check this out…
bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18920294
it’s sort of a bicycle with an engine in it!!
Very lucky indeed!!
happysack:
But just watched it again, Lycra fool rode up the inside of the tipper, into a blind spot. Quite likely the driver didn’t even see him.
Should have though, tipper appears to be a MAN, with 4 very good mirrors on the NS including the down mirror over the screen, the cyclist should have been visible from that clip for at least 10/15 seconds vi 2 or three of those mirrors assuming they are set correctly and not for owl spotting, even if he hadn’t appeared through the windscreen view.
Cyclist wasn’t in the right thats for sure, but tipper chappie should have spotted him nonetheless, or maybe he did…
Run them all over I say 
yes…hardly defensive riding.
they keep telling us they ARE traffic…well perhaps if they made more effort to actually read the road,instead of just peddling on regardless,they wouldnt find themselves in these situations. as a motorcyclist,i often filter through traffic...but its risky,so you have to be extra careful…and YIELD occaisionally.just because I can get through smaller gaps and make progress when others cant,doesnt mean I have the right to barge past everything and expect them to YIELD to me.
I still think part of the problem is that they are actually on a “workout” and as such are trying to “feel the burn”.stopping peddling=less burn…which why they plough on.
every other road user will use their BRAKES now and then in an attempt to merge with other traffic.fast…slow…fast…fast…slow.arrogant cyclists,however…try to maintain a high as possible speed,and even time themselves/work out their average speed.
its almost as though,the left hand side of the road is their own little superhighway and under no circumstances should anybody impede their progress. this attitude will create problems..as a motorcyclist I was taught,that every accident Im involved in(regardless of technical blame) is my fault…simply because I failed to anticipate the hazard and take appropriate action.
Carryfast:
Yes or no.
I’ve had cyclists riding two abreast on the road going up hill with a designated cycle path along side them … when I beeped to inform them they should be using the path I just got hand gestures , fingers up & abuse …
Carryfast:
chester:
Carryfast:
And you’d be the typical type of not very bright copper who tells people to ride a bicycle on the road where they can be,and often are,run over by trucks,when there’s a perfectly acceptable alternative off the road,and who can’t understand the advantage of the ‘flexibility’ which log books provided in actually adding to road safety by allowing the driver to take a rest when the guvnor wanted that driver to be driving/working.While if you’d have read and actually understood what I said ( would have been ) the level of the bs so called ‘offence’ ‘if’ there’d have been a copper or ministry man at the time who’d have been stupid enough to actually prosecute a driver for having a break while the guvnor wanted the driver to be driving/working.While even in the case of tachos the so called ‘offence’ would obviously only be a mode infringement not an hours ‘offence’ assuming all legal break requirements were also complied with.Which,as an underpaid council worker at the time,I can assure you they were.
Can you give be 6hrs until I win one of these on eBay so I can decipher your post.
Unfortunately even that won’t be any substitute for common sense which is what it would actually take to understand what I’ve said.I’m guessing you’ve never actually driven a truck under log books as opposed to tachos and therefore you don’t have a clue as to what I’ve described.
Here you go gents have fun …
I like the idea, but prefer the educate the cyclists route myself. Cycle paths and cycle tracks do not absolve the cyclist from following the Highway Code.
Also I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again.
When my daughter did her cycling proficiency several years ago they were taught never, ever go up the inside of lorries or vans at junctions. At the age of 13 she still knows it.
Extracts from the on-line Highway code book thingy, taken from sections 59-82 which is for cyclists.
72
On the left. When approaching a junction on the left, watch out for vehicles turning in front of you, out of or into the side road. Just before you turn, check for undertaking cyclists or motorcyclists. Do not ride on the inside of vehicles signalling or slowing down to turn left.
73
Pay particular attention to long vehicles which need a lot of room to manoeuvre at corners. Be aware that drivers may not see you. They may have to move over to the right before turning left. Wait until they have completed the manoeuvre because the rear wheels come very close to the kerb while turning. Do not be tempted to ride in the space between them and the kerb.
There’s more about cycle lanes and cycle tracks.
62
Cycle Tracks. These are normally located away from the road, but may occasionally be found alongside footpaths or pavements. Cyclists and pedestrians may be segregated or they may share the same space (unsegregated). When using segregated tracks you MUST keep to the side intended for cyclists as the pedestrian side remains a pavement or footpath. Take care when passing pedestrians, especially children, older or disabled people, and allow them plenty of room. Always be prepared to slow down and stop if necessary. Take care near road junctions as you may have difficulty seeing other road users, who might not notice you.
Law HA 1835 sect 72
63
Cycle Lanes. These are marked by a white line (which may be broken) along the carriageway (see Rule 140). Keep within the lane when practicable. When leaving a cycle lane check before pulling out that it is safe to do so and signal your intention clearly to other road users. Use of cycle lanes is not compulsory and will depend on your experience and skills, but they can make your journey safer.
64
You MUST NOT cycle on a pavement.
Laws HA 1835 sect 72 & R(S)A 1984, sect 129
Ops how did the pavement bit drop in there, never mind!!!
66
You should
keep both hands on the handlebars except when signalling or changing gear
keep both feet on the pedals
never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends
not ride close behind another vehicle
not carry anything which will affect your balance or may get tangled up with your wheels or chain
be considerate of other road users, particularly blind and partially sighted pedestrians. Let them know you are there when necessary, for example, by ringing your bell if you have one. It is recommended that a bell be fitted.
67
You should
look all around before moving away from the kerb, turning or manoeuvring, to make sure it is safe to do so. Give a clear signal to show other road users what you intend to do
look well ahead for obstructions in the road, such as drains, pot-holes and parked vehicles so that you do not have to swerve suddenly to avoid them. Leave plenty of room when passing parked vehicles and watch out for doors being opened or pedestrians stepping into your path
be aware of traffic coming up behind you
take extra care near road humps, narrowings and other traffic calming features
take care when overtaking (see Rules 162 to 169).
68
You MUST NOT
carry a passenger unless your cycle has been built or adapted to carry one
hold onto a moving vehicle or trailer
ride in a dangerous, careless or inconsiderate manner
ride when under the influence of drink or drugs, including medicine.
Law RTA 1988 sects 24, 26, 28, 29 & 30 as amended by RTA 1991
69
You MUST obey all traffic signs and traffic light signals.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD reg 10(1)
Finally, because if you want more the link is… gov.uk/rules-for-cyclists-59-to-82
Juddian:
happysack:
But just watched it again, Lycra fool rode up the inside of the tipper, into a blind spot. Quite likely the driver didn’t even see him.Should have though, tipper appears to be a MAN, with 4 very good mirrors on the NS including the down mirror over the screen, the cyclist should have been visible from that clip for at least 10/15 seconds vi 2 or three of those mirrors assuming they are set correctly and not for owl spotting, even if he hadn’t appeared through the windscreen view.
Cyclist wasn’t in the right thats for sure, but tipper chappie should have spotted him nonetheless, or maybe he did…
That sounds like albion’s ideas.It was actually a case of the cyclist being happy enough with the same,or less,amount of room at the side when he undertook the tipper but then went nuts when the tipper overtook him leaving the same amount of room.The tipper driver obviously knew the idiot was there or the cyclist would have been under the wheels.Although it seems obvious that the tipper driver,understandably,got caught out by taking it for granted that the cyclist had left the road for the cycle way as provided for his own safety.But as usual the cyclists want to use the road at all costs and then moan at others for their own stupidity.It’s ironic when truck drivers defend cyclists in that situation.
Carryfast:
Juddian:
happysack:
But just watched it again, Lycra fool rode up the inside of the tipper, into a blind spot. Quite likely the driver didn’t even see him.Should have though, tipper appears to be a MAN, with 4 very good mirrors on the NS including the down mirror over the screen, the cyclist should have been visible from that clip for at least 10/15 seconds vi 2 or three of those mirrors assuming they are set correctly and not for owl spotting, even if he hadn’t appeared through the windscreen view.
Cyclist wasn’t in the right thats for sure, but tipper chappie should have spotted him nonetheless, or maybe he did…
That sounds like albion’s ideas.It was actually a case of the cyclist being happy enough with the same,or less,amount of room at the side when he undertook the tipper but then went nuts when the tipper overtook him leaving the same amount of room.The tipper driver obviously knew the idiot was there or the cyclist would have been under the wheels.Although it seems obvious that the tipper driver,understandably,got caught out by taking it for granted that the cyclist had left the road for the cycle way as provided for his own safety.But as usual the cyclists want to use the road at all costs and then moan at others for their own stupidity.It’s ironic when truck drivers defend cyclists in that situation.
The lorry driver (i’m not American i don’t drive a truck) in this case isn’t defending the cyclist…the cyclist is an idiot and the bloke behind the wheel of the tipper is either totally incompetent/negligent or a half wit bully if the action was deliberate.
A person at the wheel of a lorry is supposed to be a professional, as the professional road user should be taking care to protect other idiots from their own stupidity.
The cyclist the pedestrian the car driver are invariably just doing their thing to get somewhere, the vocational driver is being paid for their skills, but not in this case.
This is not a tribal thing, the lorry driver was in the wrong here as was the cyclist, the cyclist we expect to be an idiot and are seldom disappointed, the bloke in the lorry we hope will be a professional, and again we are disappointed.
Juddian:
Carryfast:
Juddian:
happysack:
But just watched it again, Lycra fool rode up the inside of the tipper, into a blind spot. Quite likely the driver didn’t even see him.Should have though, tipper appears to be a MAN, with 4 very good mirrors on the NS including the down mirror over the screen, the cyclist should have been visible from that clip for at least 10/15 seconds vi 2 or three of those mirrors assuming they are set correctly and not for owl spotting, even if he hadn’t appeared through the windscreen view.
Cyclist wasn’t in the right thats for sure, but tipper chappie should have spotted him nonetheless, or maybe he did…
That sounds like albion’s ideas.It was actually a case of the cyclist being happy enough with the same,or less,amount of room at the side when he undertook the tipper but then went nuts when the tipper overtook him leaving the same amount of room.The tipper driver obviously knew the idiot was there or the cyclist would have been under the wheels.Although it seems obvious that the tipper driver,understandably,got caught out by taking it for granted that the cyclist had left the road for the cycle way as provided for his own safety.But as usual the cyclists want to use the road at all costs and then moan at others for their own stupidity.It’s ironic when truck drivers defend cyclists in that situation.
The lorry driver (i’m not American i don’t drive a truck) in this case isn’t defending the cyclist…the cyclist is an idiot and the bloke behind the wheel of the tipper is either totally incompetent/negligent or a half wit bully if the action was deliberate.
A person at the wheel of a lorry is supposed to be a professional, as the professional road user should be taking care to protect other idiots from their own stupidity.
The cyclist the pedestrian the car driver are invariably just doing their thing to get somewhere, the vocational driver is being paid for their skills, but not in this case.
This is not a tribal thing, the lorry driver was in the wrong here as was the cyclist, the cyclist we expect to be an idiot and are seldom disappointed, the bloke in the lorry we hope will be a professional, and again we are disappointed.
My definition of ‘professional’ in this case would be putting up with and dealing with such stupid undertaking antics as cyclists taking advantage of a cycle lane marking,which both the cyclist and the authorities obviously seem to think is sufficient room in the case of seperation,between traffic and cyclists.Which the cyclist then seemed to selectively want to ignore in a place where it really would have contributed to road safety by seperating motor traffic from cyclists at an obvious pinch point/hazard situation.At which point the truck driver then overtook the cyclist leaving as much,if not more,room having obviously,at first,thought that the cyclist had followed the cycle way but then realised the idiot hadn’t.The cyclist then obviously deciding to make a drama out of the crisis of his own making.
Then you seem to have the nerve to add insult to injury by blaming that situation on the tipper driver.While the cyclist goes on to carrying out similar types of moves,safe in the knowledge that no matter how stupid he is it’s always going to ultimately be the driver’s responsibility to get him out of the zb,until he eventually succeeds in getting himself under the wheels of a truck.All no doubt helped by the authorities idea of double standards in which cyclists can do no wrong.
The ‘professional’ driver certainly isn’t being paid to work the impossible miracles of saving the day in every case regardless of the level of such suicidal stupidity.Which the law of averages says will eventually succeed if it’s allowed to continue by not making vulnerable road users more responsible for their own safety and accountable for their own actions.
As for truck or lorry I learn’t the difference when I started out in the case of working with the export markets in which the idea of exporting fire lorries wouldn’t really have helped my employers’ credibility in those markets.Whereas everyone knows what a truck is.Hence the name of this site which isn’t called lorry net. 
Carryfast:
It won’t work because cyclists refuse to cooperate with anything that doesn’t fit in with their idea that they should be able to use the roads as they wish regardless.As in this case where,amongst other issues,the cyclist ignored the laid out cycle way and then blamed the truck driver for the results.
At the point the tipper overtakes him, the bit of the cycle lane on the pavement had ended. He’d have been back on the road by then, as it’s illegal to cycle on the pavement.
Carryfast:
chester:
Carryfast:
Unfortunately even that won’t be any substitute for common sense which is what it would actually take to understand what I’ve said.I’m guessing you’ve never actually driven a truck under log books as opposed to tachos and therefore you don’t have a clue as to what I’ve described.I understand that you use rules and regs to suit yourself.
So are you saying that using the flexibility provided by log books to take ‘more’ breaks during a shift than legally required and than allowed by the guvnor,and that riding a bicycle on the pavement wherever and whenever possible,to avoid involvement with large vehicles etc,are all beneficial to road safety,regardless of so called rules and regs,or not.Yes or no.
Carryfast, log books have ■■■■ - all to do with anything in this topic. Why have you suddenly started drivelling on about them?
happysack:
Carryfast:
It won’t work because cyclists refuse to cooperate with anything that doesn’t fit in with their idea that they should be able to use the roads as they wish regardless.As in this case where,amongst other issues,the cyclist ignored the laid out cycle way and then blamed the truck driver for the results.That is quality, oh look a cycle lane ….I don’t need to use that because I’m fantastic, look at me go, undertaking vehicles Willy nilly, ooooo I fell off and have ripped my Lycra, YouTube here I come.
The safest place for him to be was on the right hand side of the traffic, with the other two wheeled traffic which was overtaking. Undertaking traffic is a dangerous game for cyclists, and I’d prefer to see them trained not to do it. Although in fairness to the cyclist, he was well past the tipper by the time he was knocked off, and the tipper driver really should have seen him. If he did see him, as Carryfast suggests, and still knocked him off, then that’s just unforgiveable: someone like that isn’t fit to push a pram, never mind drive a lorry.
commonrail:
yes…hardly defensive riding.
they keep telling us they ARE traffic…well perhaps if they made more effort to actually read the road,instead of just peddling on regardless,they wouldnt find themselves in these situations. as a motorcyclist,i often filter through traffic...but its risky,so you have to be extra careful…and YIELD occaisionally.just because I can get through smaller gaps and make progress when others cant,doesnt mean I have the right to barge past everything and expect them to YIELD to me.
I still think part of the problem is that they are actually on a “workout” and as such are trying to “feel the burn”.stopping peddling=less burn…which why they plough on.
every other road user will use their BRAKES now and then in an attempt to merge with other traffic.fast…slow…fast…fast…slow.arrogant cyclists,however…try to maintain a high as possible speed,and even time themselves/work out their average speed.
its almost as though,the left hand side of the road is their own little superhighway and under no circumstances should anybody impede their progress. this attitude will create problems..as a motorcyclist I was taught,that every accident Im involved in(regardless of technical blame) is my fault…simply because I failed to anticipate the hazard and take appropriate action.
Agreed, in all particulars. I’m a very defensive cyclist, because I know which poor ■■■■■■■ ends up picking gravel out of his elbows …