peterm:
Road2ruin:
peterm:
I don’t reckon there’d have been much to donate if it had all gone pete tong for the bike berk. 
No, the lorry driver would have gone to prison if the cyclist had been killed and quite rightly so.
The cyclist may have been in the wrong lane but the lorry driver knew he was there and deliberately endangered him, he even admitted he knew he was there in the video.
The cyclist is an idiot but the driver deserves more for that. There is no winner in a fatality!
And how do you know he deliberately endangered him ? The driver knew there a few muppets doing the wrong thing, but he might not have known that that particular muppet was where he was. I was riding bikes around London when I was 10 years and older and didn’t even need telling not to do stupid bloody things like that. You’d think someone in an adult body could suss it out.
By the way, the lorry driver might not have gone to prison, none of us are judges, prosecutors/jury members etc.
The speed and acceleration of the vehicle in a situation where vulnerable road users are known, or believed, to be, especially when approaching a narrowing section of road, shows a clear disregard for other people. As an ex police office I can assure you he would have gone to prison. ‘It’s their own fault, they shouldn’t have been there’ is not a defense.
Would he ■■■■ have gone to prison. It’s clear why you are an ex police officer! Nice new username by the way Roaduser.
road2ruin wrote “it’s their own fault .they shouldn’t have been there” is not a defence.
no it is not a defence IT’S A FACT.nobody in their right mind would put themselve’s in the position they did. 
New idea for trucks to be fitted with water cannons
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Road2ruin:
As an ex police office
You’d know that…
You’re not a judge and therefore have no powers of sentencing.
All you can do here is voice an opinion based on your experience. I have more faith in the experience of class 1 lorry drivers with 10/20/30 years of driving artics.
I reckon ‘It’s their own fault they should have obeyed the rules of the highway’ is a ■■■■ good defence.
Road2ruin:
peterm:
Road2ruin:
peterm:
I don’t reckon there’d have been much to donate if it had all gone pete tong for the bike berk.
No, the lorry driver would have gone to prison if the cyclist had been killed and quite rightly so.
The cyclist may have been in the wrong lane but the lorry driver knew he was there and deliberately endangered him, he even admitted he knew he was there in the video.
The cyclist is an idiot but the driver deserves more for that. There is no winner in a fatality!
And how do you know he deliberately endangered him ? The driver knew there a few muppets doing the wrong thing, but he might not have known that that particular muppet was where he was. I was riding bikes around London when I was 10 years and older and didn’t even need telling not to do stupid bloody things like that. You’d think someone in an adult body could suss it out.
By the way, the lorry driver might not have gone to prison, none of us are judges, prosecutors/jury members etc.
The speed and acceleration of the vehicle in a situation where vulnerable road users are known, or believed, to be, especially when approaching a narrowing section of road, shows a clear disregard for other people. As an ex police office I can assure you he would have gone to prison. ‘It’s their own fault, they shouldn’t have been there’ is not a defense.
So what do you suggest every time you stop at traffic lights get out make sure no one is near or in blind spot. I had a similar thing happen to me a few months back cyclists all around me so let them go but there was one in the blind spot. Can’t check all 6 mirrors at the same time
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yourhavingalarf:
Road2ruin:
As an ex police office
You’d know that…
You’re not a judge and therefore have no powers of sentencing.
All you can do here is voice an opinion based on your experience. I have more faith in the experience of class 1 lorry drivers with 10/20/30 years of driving artics.
I reckon ‘It’s their own fault they should have obeyed the rules of the highway’ is a ■■■■ good defence.
Let’s forget the cyclist here at the moment if there was a car in the left lane and tried to jump in front of the lorry and got squashed who is at fault ex officer
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yourhavingalarf:
the nodding donkey:
Hello Chester…
(Waves)
Ooo…
Well spotted.
round of aplause smiley
(Takes bow and exits stage left)
Road2ruin:
The speed and acceleration of the vehicle in a situation where vulnerable road users are known, or believed, to be, especially when approaching a narrowing section of road, shows a clear disregard for other people. As an ex police office I can assure you he would have gone to prison. ‘It’s their own fault, they shouldn’t have been there’ is not a defense.
As an Ex police officer (amazing what we can call ourselves behind the safety of our keyboards) you’d know to go to prison he’d have to be convicted of an offence that carried a prison sentence and as the majority of comments on all the social media platforms I’ve seen, including cycling forums, have put the blame on the cyclists I doubt he’d get found guilty of such an offence.
Road2ruin:
The speed and acceleration of the vehicle in a situation where vulnerable road users are known, or believed, to be, especially when approaching a narrowing section of road, shows a clear disregard for other people. As an ex police office I can assure you he would have gone to prison. ‘It’s their own fault, they shouldn’t have been there’ is not a defense.
Gone to prison? On what grounds? He pulled forward in a straight line, keeping to his Lane and under control without excessive speed.
The cyclists on the other hand ignored the highway code by going straight ahead in a left turn lane, displayed poor Lane discipline and rode in a way far below what would be expected of a competent road user.
The highway code applies to ALL road users.
Perhaps we now know why you’re an EX copper.
Road2Ruin states he knew the cyclist was there,maybe but he probably assumed the cyclist would be turning left,not going straight on from a left turn lane like an idiot,cyclists will never learn,and Road2Ruin you are talking out of your backside if you think the driver would have gone to prison,HE was in the correct lane the muppet cyclist was not,no doubt you are one of these lycra louts,as another OP said was your old username roaduser66,everyone else backs the hgv driver,you are the only one who does not,typical cyclist bias
Road2ruin:
As an ex police office I can assure you he would have gone to prison.
Really? Thats a rather bold statement dont you think? You sure you used to be a cop? Any cop I know and any ive ever heard talking never give guarantees like that. There are no guarantees of anything. Ive seen drunk drivers kill people and not go to jail. Ive seen hit and run drivers avoid jail time. Ive heard of people purposefully target people in road rage incidents and not go to jail as well as countless other incidents where people have died and no ones seen the inside of a prison cell so how you can offer any assurances that hed have gone to jail makes me question your self proclaimed credentials.
When you say “police officer”, do you actually mean “mothercare security guard”?
Road2ruin:
There is no winner in a fatality!
Oh I dont know. I dont think the HGV would suffer too badly and would be ready to go back to work that afternoon. Sounds like a winner to me
If it could, I also reckon it would have its picture taken whilst standing over the pile of lycra, kind of like those hunters who stand over a lion theyve just bagged.
Driver should have eased off a bit
He was moving briskly considering the proximity of the cyclists - look how close he was to the cyclist in his eyeline, the cyclist directly ahead of the guy who was hit
Yes the cyclist was mostly to blame
the nodding donkey:
yourhavingalarf:
the nodding donkey:
Hello Chester…
(Waves)
Ooo…
Well spotted.
round of aplause smiley
(Takes bow and exits stage left)
How yer goin’ bluebottle. 
Well IMO the driver was being irresponsible/negligent at the very least & had that cyclist had fallen the other way … ?
He clearly knew they were there.
All he had to do was ease off a little/wait a little and yes he would then have the problem of getting past them at some stage.
He is going though/into London & its odds on over the course of his journey around town that the cyclists will be quicker (that is why so many ride now) and if past them they will again be at the front of the queue at the next set of lights down the road.
For sure cyclists now disregard the rules of the road (in many cases I have seen) but you still obliged to take care !
As can be seen from the video (as we know of course) a moments inattention can easily end a cyclists life.
I’m curious - how many junctions in London are like that with that many cyclists ?
Rarely see cyclist where I live and if I was put in that situation I would just wait till they cleared, but if that is normal you would sort of have to get on with it. I wonder if drivers who are their everyday get used to their antics and get into some sort of false sense of security that it won’t happen to them. I guess most cyclist are pretty competent of weaving in and out of the traffic, certainly in this video the first few seemed to know exactly what they were doing and knew they could out pace the truck off the lights, but the one who nearly come to grief just seemed well out of his depth.